Things you should not be able to disable.

[OrLoK 16185]

What kind of outdated computers are ya'll on that can't play this game???

I'm about to give this PC to my girlfriend it's so bad and I play at 50 fps on medium settings. I realize it's unnecessary, but if my frames drop I don't want to be left below 30.

My Game should NOT be reduced or altered because ya'll "don't have a good enough" computer... that's why computer gaming is restrictive. Go buy a console.

 

If I'm playing, on my regular computer, at normal FPS, and some guy comes running down the road playing a barebones version of the game with all his grass and draw turned all the way down, now I'm a sitting duck because of HIS bad computer.

 

At this point, I would feel justified using my extra computer power to give me back the advantage is stripped away. Now, cheating takes too much effort running scripts and command line and all that to make it worth a while, but I hope you see my point.

ALLOWING PEOPLE WITH LESSER PC's TO CHANGE THE GAME TO IMPROVE THEIR PERFORMANCE IS THE EXACT SAME AS A PERSON WITH A GREATER PC USING THEIR EXTRA SPACE TO RUN CHEATING SOFTWARE.

 

"Oh, but I have low FPS unless Clouds are Off and blah blah blah"

Well suddenly the settings you need to play the game "properly" allow you to see in the dark.

So I'm on a TV so big and nice it doesn't matter what I turn my gamma to, it's always dark at night.

 

So I should be able to use my extra computer power, that which is not needed to run the game, to run some sort of program that magically makes it not night for me.

 

You cannot justify one without justifying the other.

 

So if you have bad PC...

 

Build a better one.

Hello there

 

Is that not a little "im all right, jack" of you?

 

A decent balance is what is needed.

 

"One does not simply buy a new rig".

 

Some of us are having financial difficulties, there is a global recession on at the moment.

 

Lastly dont forget the game will see more "optimisation" as it progresses.

 

rgds

 

LoK

[Dunxel 17]

The game overall is terrible graphics engine.

My gaming rig can run BF4 with Ultra/High Graphics & still getting solid 50-60fps.  Yet you have to run this game with low graphics with tons of cfg file tweaks to hopefully get more than 20 fps in cities.   Even ARMA2 DayZ MOD runs smoother than this game.


2 cents on Gamma thing.  I have a MacBookPro running Win 8.1 for some gawd awful reason EVERY game i try playing on this the Gamma/brightness has to be raised up a TON nearly max to even equal the standard light of every other gaming rig.  I blame Crapple for this.  Even games i run under OSx has this issue.

I actually wonder how well this game would run if they would just port it over to the ARMA3 engine.

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

Shadows don't need to be turned off, any graphic card since the 8800GTX support deferred rendering. I fully support being able to degrade visual fidelity for a better framerate, but the lowest setting should not fully turn off any of the features.

Edited February 3, 2014 by Lady Kyrah

[BL1P 252]

Shadows don't need to be turned off, any graphic card since the 8800GTX support deferred rendering. I fully support being able to degrade visual fidelity for a better framerate, but the lowest setting should not fully turn off any of the features.

 

I think Lady was one of the few who actually read my first post.

 

:) thank you

[slim_pikins 30]

Fact is all settings should be set server side so there is a minimum of whats needed, server says clouds everyone has coluds server says gamma 1.0 it cant be changed for all players.

 

If you cant get a decent rig, so what I really dont care now go play on one that will let you turn your stuff off.

 

My vote - All settings server side then everyone is happy and we all have a level playing field that fits in with what we can run

[BL1P 252]

Grass render distance should be a server-side setting (filterable in the browser)

Hi smash I am a little confused by this quote.

 

Are you suggesting that a server can disable the grass or that a server should force enable the grass ?

 

If its the latter they already do.

If its the former then yes why not.

 

I have my grass on a forced low render setting and I know that its at terrainGrid=3.5

Because it tells me so in my config

I am not 100% sure but I think the servers are setting this at lowest possible is terrainGrid=12.5 (just a guess as I do not have access to the Mission files)

So no matter how low I set my grass the servers setting will override it back to the servers lowest allowed setting. (which is determined in the mission file on the server or used to be)

I can go higher than the servers setting I just cant go lower.

Unless something changed in the last update. As I haven't checked it since then, grass settings via config that is.

[BL1P 252]

Fact is all settings should be set server side so there is a minimum of whats needed, server says clouds everyone has coluds server says gamma 1.0 it cant be changed for all players.

 

If you cant get a decent rig, so what I really dont care now go play on one that will let you turn your stuff off.

 

My vote - All settings server side then everyone is happy and we all have a level playing field that fits in with what we can run

 

Yer that works.

Maybe tie it into Hardcore and Regular server settings.

So that there are only two settings to look for not thousands of servers each with different settings to wade through.

[enforcer1975 1111]

The game overall is terrible graphics engine.

My gaming rig can run BF4 with Ultra/High Graphics & still getting solid 50-60fps. Yet you have to run this game with low graphics with tons of cfg file tweaks to hopefully get more than 20 fps in cities. Even ARMA2 DayZ MOD runs smoother than this game.

Don't compare a 1km2 battlefield with a 100km2 one... BF is all effects anyway.

[gaweu 42]

What kind of outdated computers are ya'll on that can't play this game???

I'm about to give this PC to my girlfriend it's so bad and I play at 50 fps on medium settings. I realize it's unnecessary, but if my frames drop I don't want to be left below 30.

My Game should NOT be reduced or altered because ya'll "don't have a good enough" computer... that's why computer gaming is restrictive. Go buy a console.

 

If I'm playing, on my regular computer, at normal FPS, and some guy comes running down the road playing a barebones version of the game with all his grass and draw turned all the way down, now I'm a sitting duck because of HIS bad computer.

 

At this point, I would feel justified using my extra computer power to give me back the advantage is stripped away. Now, cheating takes too much effort running scripts and command line and all that to make it worth a while, but I hope you see my point.

ALLOWING PEOPLE WITH LESSER PC's TO CHANGE THE GAME TO IMPROVE THEIR PERFORMANCE IS THE EXACT SAME AS A PERSON WITH A GREATER PC USING THEIR EXTRA SPACE TO RUN CHEATING SOFTWARE.

 

"Oh, but I have low FPS unless Clouds are Off and blah blah blah"

Well suddenly the settings you need to play the game "properly" allow you to see in the dark.

So I'm on a TV so big and nice it doesn't matter what I turn my gamma to, it's always dark at night.

 

So I should be able to use my extra computer power, that which is not needed to run the game, to run some sort of program that magically makes it not night for me.

 

You cannot justify one without justifying the other.

 

So if you have bad PC...

 

Build a better one.

 

THIS GUY! :D

[gorvi 189]

I guess there are a lot of people here who aren't going to play Star Citizen.

[crimsonbzd 247]

Hello there

 

Is that not a little "im all right, jack" of you?

 

A decent balance is what is needed.

 

"One does not simply buy a new rig".

 

Some of us are having financial difficulties, there is a global recession on at the moment.

 

Lastly dont forget the game will see more "optimisation" as it progresses.

 

rgds

 

LoK

 

If you're having financial difficulties, I would recommend console gaming.

 

You buy one device that is guaranteed to play the games consistently along with everyone else who also owns that console.

 

PC gaming may not be for you if your computer is crappy.

Say you and I are PvPing. I'm over here playing properly with the game turned "on" while you have pp, shadows, everything off.

You land a shot on me - my screen is now pulsing, hard to see, etc.

I land a shot on you - your color turns down slightly.

It's cheating, hands down, under the guise of "playability."

Newsflash: Your shitty computer is not my problem.

 

You want the game tailored to you and what you have. If I wanted to cheat I would simply be tailoring the game to me and what I have.

So.. you can feel justified, if you want, turning your settings around, but just know, LoK, that your victory is hollow.

 

Regards LoK, regards.

[OrLoK 16185]

If you're having financial difficulties, I would recommend console gaming.

 

You buy one device that is guaranteed to play the games consistently along with everyone else who also owns that console.

 

PC gaming may not be for you if your computer is crappy.

Say you and I are PvPing. I'm over here playing properly with the game turned "on" while you have pp, shadows, everything off.

You land a shot on me - my screen is now pulsing, hard to see, etc.

I land a shot on you - your color turns down slightly.

It's cheating, hands down, under the guise of "playability."

Newsflash: Your shitty computer is not my problem.

 

You want the game tailored to you and what you have. If I wanted to cheat I would simply be tailoring the game to me and what I have.

So.. you can feel justified, if you want, turning your settings around, but just know, LoK, that your victory is hollow.

 

Regards LoK, regards.

Hello there

 

"My shitty PC" is neither here nor there.

 

What is needed is balance to find a mid range to suit many folk, not just the social elite.

 

A firm balance that enables the majority of gamers to have a good gaming experience is key and not everyone has great rigs.

 

I do agree that if one turns off grass and shadows, which lets say for arguments sake, gives one opponent an advantage over the other then that system is flawed and needs to be addressed.

 

In RO2 for example a solution tothis is that some servers set a minumum detail level and if your game does not equal or higher that then one is kicked.

 

Its not ideal, but IMHO far better than your "go buy a better PC" attitude.

 

Im all for a level playing field but not at the expense of mid range rigs.

 

Rgds

 

LoK

[cj14 189]

Nar if the clouds cover the moon removing them increases the visibility (but yer i know what you mean sometimes on is better sometimes off is better)

 

If you cant run shadows at lowest you do not meet minimum requirements 

 

Post porcess is used as a game mechanic for illness and the like not having it on negates a game mechanic (although I myself don't like the blurry screen either)

I understand your point on the clouds thing, is logic...but no, clouds actually make night to be brighter. I meet minimum requierements but when playing on a populated server I get lag, so I disable them and can play, is pretty hard to spot somebody at night, even with shadows off...post process i don't really care.

[BL1P 252]

I understand your point on the clouds thing, is logic...but no, clouds actually make night to be brighter. I meet minimum requierements but when playing on a populated server I get lag, so I disable them and can play, is pretty hard to spot somebody at night, even with shadows off...post process i don't really care.

 

Ok maybe I got clouds at night backwards.

I still feel that for equal gaming the lowest option on a gfx setting should be LOW not OFF.

 

Lets ignore clouds for a second and look at Shadows.

 

Turning off shadows removes the shadows so you can see into dark cover with no problems if two people are in a PvP situation and both are in cover of shadows the one with shadows off has a very large advantage over the one with shadows on.

Compare that with removing the .pbo that controlled bushes.

2 in a pvp situation both under cover of bushes the one with no bushes has the advantage.

The devs saw the error in this and added signature checking to prevent this obvious advantage one has over the other.

I feel shadows off is very similar to the no bushes pbo removal in that it removes a gfx feature that should be there.

 

The only argument against making it low not off is that some people get better fps when its set to off.

My answer is you get better fps when bushes are removed as well but that's been stopped, as it was classed as cheating and so it was.

 

I don't feel turning off shadows is a cheat per se,  I just think the devs overlooked this option and a few others.

 

But hey its still Alpha and this is the suggestions sub forum, for all we know they are working on doing exactly what I suggested for the hardcore servers as we type :)

Edited February 5, 2014 by BL1P