"Suggestion Forum Rules" please MODS.

[byrgesen 1341]

Hello people :)

 

Can we please talk about getting a pinned post with rules for suggestions?
Its become apperant theese forums are flooded with people, making a thread with 100+ different suggestions in it, which helps nothing tbh, and its all one giant clusterfuck now.

Is there any chance, the mods of theese forums could talk about this?
Im not thinking nazi like rules, more something along theese lines:

- Use search function before posting

- If your suggestions is already on the forum, your thread will be closed without further notice, you should have added to that discusion, instead of starting your own

- Keep thread name and suggestion coherent, nothing like "My suggestions" or "I think we need", stuff like that

- Please minimize the suggestions in one thread to a low and focused number, makes discusions easier and gives less chance of de-railing the topic.

- Its better to make three thread with very different suggestions, then cramming all of them into one thread

 

I would simply love to have some official words, so this chaos can end and we can have some good discusions about the actual suggestions people have.

You can learn much from your fellow "co-workers" on BI's forums, they are truly strict about they're forum and it pays off in the end.

Now this is no personal attack on any of the mods, you guys are trying to bring light to a truly dark place atm, and i applaud you for it, i really do :)

 

But something has to be done, if we are to be able to use theese suggestions to anything tbh.

[rossums 2190]

Aww, he thinks people actually read the stickies.

Cute.

[byrgesen 1341]

Aww, he thinks people actually read the stickies.

Cute.

No..... you missed the entire point, well done....

 

My point is, we need official word on this, to turn this clusterfuck around and make theese forums usefull again.

[applejaxc 2500]

No..... you missed the entire point, well done....

 

My point is, we need official word on this, to turn this clusterfuck around and make theese forums usefull again.

 

His point is rather valid: It's like adding a "Wet floor sign" and hoping that the idiot in your store reads it before slipping, breaking his neck, and suing you into oblivion. Or at my highschool, the signs on the men's bathrooms that say

"Instructions for proper restroom use:

1. Aim

2. Flush"

 

They don't work.

[byrgesen 1341]

His point is rather valid: It's like adding a "Wet floor sign" and hoping that the idiot in your store reads it before slipping, breaking his neck, and suing you into oblivion. Or at my highschool, the signs on the men's bathrooms that say

"Instructions for proper restroom use:

1. Aim

2. Flush"

 

They don't work.

But they still need to be there so the "less dumb" people can point it out to the "truly dumb" people mate.

Its a first step in the right direction tbh.

Making the suggestion forums actually work, in an organized and orderly manner.

Right now, nobody knows anything about whats in there, its just one big ball of crap :)

[rossums 2190]

But they still need to be there so the "less dumb" people can point it out to the "truly dumb" people mate.

Its a first step in the right direction tbh.

Making the suggestion forums actually work, in an organized and orderly manner.

Right now, nobody knows anything about whats in there, its just one big ball of crap :)

Players are already told to use the search function before they make a new thread - nobody does that.

I don't see how adding another sticky is going to fix the fact that people just won't read the rules in the first place.

 

Search First:

Use the search function to look for an existing thread on the topic that you wish to share your opinion about. You should also look at the sticky threads (on top of the forum) and browse through the first few pages of topics, in case your search keyword just wasn't included on an existing thread of the same subject. If you create a duplicate thread, it is very likely that your thread will be locked or deleted!

 

It's already something they should be doing.

[byrgesen 1341]

Players are already told to use the search function before they make a new thread - nobody does that.

I don't see how adding another sticky is going to fix the fact that people just won't read the rules in the first place.

 

It's already something they should be doing.

 

Im not only talking about the search function, im talking about trying to organize this entire forum section, so actual proper discusions can take place.

When i look at this forum section, my head start to hurt, and what a shame, because we need theese suggestions tbh.

 

The added sticky would help mods guide members in the right direction and help forum members guide other members aswell.

Just look at the amount of "Use the search function" posts, the sticky has promoted, something along theese lines would surely do the same :)

 

Im using BI's own forums as an example here, because they got it right. Theres strict rules about everything and it truly enhances both the overall "look" of the forums but also the quality of the discusions taking place there mate.

Whats happening here promotes nothig but chaos and people poking other peoples eyes out tbh :)

Im simply suggesting it can be changed, and this would be the first step in that direction.

Edited February 1, 2014 by Byrgesen

[Monkfish (DayZ) 339]

It's been covered before that Stickies just aren't read by most people. Furthermore, most repeated threads are from people with typically ~10 posts that have either signed up to have a proper waaah about things that are already well known/penciled in to be fixed, or to make a suggestion that's been posted eleventy times already.

 

The only way this particular section will stay in any way resembling structured or controlled would be if the board mods/staff merge duplicate threads and lock bollocks ones. As a forum moderator myself on a busy forum, I can pretty much guarantee you that they have better things to be doing with their time (or simply cannot be arsed) to fanny about sorting this section out because other people are dumb and/or ignorant.

 

I'd do it myself simply because it gets right up my tits, but I'm not a mod, so I cannot...

 

EDIT: And as I post this, a sticky appears. Timing. :D

Edited February 1, 2014 by Monkfish

[Inception. 9443]

I planned to make a pinned topic the other day but school got in the way. So, I have the created the topic. Although, it will hardly have any effect; I guarantee you that. 

 

We are not, however, going to become as strict as the Bohemia Interactive forums.

Edited February 1, 2014 by Inception.

[ImageCtrl 719]

Read hundrets of this threads... use search option before posting dude... :P

All ok in this forum.

Edited February 1, 2014 by NoCheats

[byrgesen 1341]

It's been covered before that Stickies just aren't read by most people. Furthermore, most repeated threads are from people with typically ~10 posts that have either signed up to have a proper waaah about things that are already well known/penciled in to be fixed, or to make a suggestion that's been posted eleventy times already.

 

The only way this particular section will stay in any way resembling structured or controlled would be if the board mods/staff merge duplicate threads and lock bollocks ones. As a forum moderator myself on a busy forum, I can pretty much guarantee you that they have better things to be doing with their time (or simply cannot be arsed) to fanny about sorting this section out because other people are dumb and/or ignorant.

 

I'd do it myself simply because it gets right up my tits, but I'm not a mod, so I cannot...

Again, i know people dont read them, but it still doesnt change the fact they are needed :)

But the fact that you said you would do it your self, proves my point mate.
Something has to be done, if any of theese suggestions are ever gonna be looked at.

This is one of the most important sub forums, in an aplha development :)

New ideas and inspiration come from this place, but they cannot flourish in complete chaos.

 

I planned to make a pinned topic the other day but school got in the way. So, I have the created the topic. Although, it will hardly have any effect; I guarantee you that. 

 

We are not, however, going to become as strict as the Bohemia Interactive forums.

Well, it might not have a big effect, but look at what effect it had to pin a topic that said "use search function", you could be surprised tbh :)

 

Would also like to add, BI's mods are very very strict, perhaps to much, but it works and it changes the forum into something much more usefull.

 

Read hundrets of this threads... use search option before posting dude... :P

All ok in this forum.

Talking about the sun lol...

I did search and there no other topic on theese forums, suggesting what i am suggesting mate :)
So i call bs, on your "claim" :)

[applejaxc 2500]

Players are already told to use the search function before they make a new thread - nobody does that.

I don't see how adding another sticky is going to fix the fact that people just won't read the rules in the first place.

 

It's already something they should be doing.

 

C'mon man. It's worth a try. And now on top of the obligatory "IT'S AN ALPHA" and "LOL USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION N00B" we can add links to the sticky.

[byrgesen 1341]

C'mon man. It's worth a try. And now on top of the obligatory "IT'S AN ALPHA" and "LOL USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION N00B" we can add links to the sticky.

Its nice to see someone understanding what i mean :)

This goes way way beyond simply adding a sticky and telling people to "search first" tbh.

 

Things like this will, hopefully, help change the behavior of people on these forums, and should, hopefully, encourage more constructive talks.

I see alot of people here, including myself, doing nothing but "playing police", and it always turns into a giant discusion, simply because theres no official rules on the subjects.

Rules are needed :) And they can help change the mentality of people on theese forums aswell.

 

So if people spend less time "policing" one and another, proper discusions can take place and great ideas can imerge :)

 

Ofc its a slow process, but it a truly needed change, to the chaos and dispair theese suggestion forums reek of atm hehe.

[Monkfish (DayZ) 339]

 

Again, i know people dont read them, but it still doesnt change the fact they are needed :)

But the fact that you said you would do it your self, proves my point mate.

Something has to be done, if any of theese suggestions are ever gonna be looked at.

This is one of the most important sub forums, in an aplha development :)

New ideas and inspiration come from this place, but they cannot flourish in complete chaos.

 

I agree with you wholeheartedly. I'm genuinely concerned that some excellent ideas will get swamped under the myriad of utter dogshit that far outnumbers them. And on that note, I would like to see (and have suggested elsewhere), of a list being compiled and stickied with the best ideas (as indicated by beans and/or # positive comments), primarily for the Devs to have a quick reference list of the ideas the community is getting behind, but also so that those ideas get greater exposure.

[OrLoK 16185]

Hello there

 

Dont forget that you can "report" the truly dreadful threads.

 

We listen to all opinion, even though we may not instantly act on it.

 

One "good" thing about threads that do commonly turn up is the fact there is an issue, be it on the devs side or the end user side.

 

Its very hard to balance "freedom" and Uber New Order in the forums, so we are constantly re evaluating and discussing problems almost every day.

 

We know the forums are not a perfect posting Nirvana but we are doing our best within the confines we are given.

 

Whenever there is an influx of new folk to a forum, it does upset the status quo but guide the new folk and soon they'll hopefully be great members too.

 

Now, how many bands did I sneak into my post?

 

Rgds

 

LoK

[Martmital 436]

2

 

 

 

 

3

 

How could i miss the quo...

Edited February 1, 2014 by Martmital

[byrgesen 1341]

Now, how many bands did I sneak into my post?

 

Rgds

 

LoK

 

Jeez, you expect me to think while im on theese forums? ;)

Thx for putting a smile on my face mate, you never fail haha.

And im pleased with your work here, all of the mods, it would not be the same without you.

Although i did call Inception, "Cuntception" a little over half a year ago rofl, apology. ;)

 

I just hope, with more clear rules and guidelines (much better word tbh) we can "clean" this place abit more and make room for true inspiration.

After all, we are all here for the same reason, we love DayZ :D

Edited February 1, 2014 by Byrgesen

[OrLoK 16185]

Hello there

 

We're all human, except for inception, He's a Sexbot, and we all make mistakes and argue etc. what we can do is try to keep the forums together as we know and love them.

 

And to take a quote from our MLP thread its gonna take tolerance if not love.

 

Keep the ideas coming, lets see if the new folk get sticky with it.

 

Rgds

 

LoK

[byrgesen 1341]

lets see if the new folk get sticky with it.

 

[Inception. 9443]

Although i did call Inception, "Cuntception" a little over half a year ago rofl, apology. ;)

 

:D

 

We're all human, except for inception, He's a Sexbot, 

 

I...yes.

[Survivor_Sabre 23]

I've been wondering for a while now why there wasn't more structure to the 'suggestions' section of the forum, especially since I think this is probably the most important section and probably the section to which most of the new-comers are drawn. Had an idea, don't know if it's good or not, nor do I know how easy it would be to implement; this is the first forum I've been more than minimally active on. But as they say; nothing ventured, nothing gained.

 

Two separate 'suggestions' sections.

- One where anybody can create a thread.

- One which only administrators can add threads too or move threads into; but in those threads anybody can voice opinions.

 

I realise this would be rather an infringement on the communities freedom as many might feel slighted or like their opinion is not as valuable to the developers as they do now. Though personally I wouldn't mind, it is all in a good cause after all. Then again, I have been called a bit of a fascist on occasion.  ^^  And fascists love to use the 'good cause' excuse.

I would say it could be done democratically by a system of voting threads into the more exclusive forum section, but I think we all agree that would be terribly inefficient. Furthermore, I cannot even begin to speculate how it would be implemented or indeed what the vote thresholds would be.  ><

 

EDIT: I am definitely grammar fascist, though I'm never sure if I use my semi-colons right.  ^^  Only started the edit to correct a misplaced coma.

Edited February 2, 2014 by Survivor_Sabre

[byrgesen 1341]

Two separate 'suggestions' sections.

- One where anybody can create a thread.

- One which only administrators can add threads too or move threads into; but in those threads anybody can voice opinions.

 

Its not a bad idea mate, but one questions pops up in my mind now.

Who is gonna be responsible for putting threads into the "Mod Approved" thread?

Im sure the mods already has enough on they're plate, so it would most likely require "hiring" more staff to moderate the forums, or find one guy to be in charge of this.

Dunno if thats possible :)

 

It would certaintly be easier to do this, then to screen the entire suggestion forum each day, and close/merge 100+ threads :D

[Survivor_Sabre 23]

True. I would suggest a chosen few/volunteers from the community, but then they wouldn't be on the inside circle; which would be of great benefit for those who make the selection. Also, community volunteers might be biased (that's not to say the team isn't biased, but at least they are officially biased and subject to scrutiny and repercussions from the rest of the team).  ^^

 

Perhaps the two sections would have to be created separately to the existing section, then the transition can be done over time. Then again, that's getting a little ridiculous in how many extra sections are needed and it might take so long it wouldn't be worth it.  ><  Not to mention some people might not understand the system fully and it could cause further complications, especially since no-one reads the pinned threads.  :(

 

It's a pickle, that's for sure, but I'm sure if the powers that be feel something really needs doing about it they will come up with something.  :)

 

EDIT: Also, I think one of the problems is that a lot of the threads in the 'Suggestions' section should really be in the 'General Discussion' section, though I guess that's just a matter of opinion and semantics.

 

EDIT 2: Also, if a team of volunteers where working on this they would either have to be in constant communication with each-other, or work on it at different times. Otherwise they would run the risk of messing with each-others work. I imagine the development team / forum administrators (might be the same thing I don't know) are constantly communicating anyway.

Edited February 2, 2014 by Survivor_Sabre