Eliminate M107 and AS50

[naizarak 41]

callaghan don't waste your time on him.

[UbiquitousBadGuy 846]

ps get rid of your super sized ego' date=' it does you no good on an internet forum.

tl;dr

~dealwithit~

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And stop regarding every little remark as a threat to yours.

Everyone, back on track.

[ApeToe 3]

This thread is silly' date=' but the OP did have a point, stop arguing off topic nonsense about the M9 being removed too. Learn how to structure a logical argument people, and not resort to infantile rhetoric. There is a problem presented by the fact that there are a great many sniper rifles in the game, which more-or-less force PvP as they are good for nothing else. Like I said - make ammo VERY scarce, so that we are encouraged to stash them somewhere, rather than use them as a primary.

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The M9 being removed wasn't off topic at all, I was simply proving a point that this idea is a terrible one as I and the majority of others ITT believe. If you don't like the PvP, go play the offline version of DayZ.

ps get rid of your super sized ego, it does you no good on an internet forum.

tl;dr

~dealwithit~

As I have repeatedly said, I have no problem with PvP - but sniper rifles are too prevalent, and they essentially force PvP, in a mod that Rocket very clearly stated was 'not PvP'. Twisting someones words -the childish rhetoric I was talking about. Besides, if I didn't like PvP, I certainly wouldn't play the offline version of DayZ, there are 100+ better mods for that kind of gameplay.

Coming from the guy who wants to turn DayZ into The Sims

http://www.dayzmod.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=22300

[7-75 callaghan 43]

This thread is silly' date=' but the OP did have a point, stop arguing off topic nonsense about the M9 being removed too. Learn how to structure a logical argument people, and not resort to infantile rhetoric. There is a problem presented by the fact that there are a great many sniper rifles in the game, which more-or-less force PvP as they are good for nothing else. Like I said - make ammo VERY scarce, so that we are encouraged to stash them somewhere, rather than use them as a primary.

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The M9 being removed wasn't off topic at all, I was simply proving a point that this idea is a terrible one as I and the majority of others ITT believe. If you don't like the PvP, go play the offline version of DayZ.

ps get rid of your super sized ego, it does you no good on an internet forum.

tl;dr

~dealwithit~

As I have repeatedly said, I have no problem with PvP - but sniper rifles are too prevalent, and they essentially force PvP, in a mod that Rocket very clearly stated was 'not PvP'. Twisting someones words -the childish rhetoric I was talking about. Besides, if I didn't like PvP, I certainly wouldn't play the offline version of DayZ, there are 100+ better mods for that kind of gameplay.

Coming from the guy who wants to turn DayZ into The Sims

http://www.dayzmod.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=22300

Please refer to the moderators comment directed towards you, my comment on childish rhetoric thereafter, and stay on topic.

[ApeToe 3]

Keep hiding behind the mods, bro

[7-75 callaghan 43]

Keep hiding behind the mods' date=' bro

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What are you talking about now kiddo?

[Sarissofoi 40]

I agree that sniper rifles should be rarer. Especially high grade military and especially anti vehicle.

I just wanna see more close or medium firefights.

Anyway first we need to deal with DC in the fight problem.

It really kill immersion and hurt gameplay.

[tempokok123 1]

ok

Edited July 25, 2022 by tempokok123

[gibonez 3633]

As 50 and the m107 are the only 2 guns that crappy combat disconnectors cannot combat.

1 shot to the stomach, chest or head and they are dead before they can even alt f4.

I would say replace the as50 and the m107 with a single shot bolt action 50 cal the barret m99.

http://cefllc.net/PICTURES/BarrettM99/IMG_2621-1280.jpg

Still a 1 hit kill, smaller weapon, convert 10 round m107 mags into 10 single shot rounds or you use the 10 rounds but long delay between shots.

[Dongwalski 0]

Put in more 50 cals and snipers so I can hear you bitch more.

[sparta436 46]

Yes they are for pvp. Yes my clan uses them in cherno to kill ANYTHING that moves (players,regardless of who they are) but removing them is not the answer. Stop being a pussy

[rallye 89]

Dude you didn't get my point.

AS50 and M107 is a seriously overpowered weapon to use in DayZ.

I'm not saying that the owner gets immortal' date=' but there should be a risk in banditry.

Yes there's a risk to everything.

But AS50 and M107 really doesn't have any zombie risk if the owner knows how to use it.

And when that is happening i'm 100% sure that the owner isn't killing for loot.

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QQ Life isn't fair and neither is Day Z. This is supposed to be an Anti game. First we take out the 1 shot kill guns, next thing people will cry about DMRs and then headshots, and oh let's add auto-refill life and so on down the line.

[stielhandgranate 480]

The .50cal isn't a military weapon' date=' anyone in the US outside of California can own a Barrett. Know your facts.

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Yeah for $10,000 USD without an optic that will run you a mint and $6 per round of 50. BMG. The M107 is not as common as a firearm as you imply it is. Most gunstores won't even maintain one in stock.

[VLG Castiel 3]

(1) Existance of Military Weapons

This is "nowhere" in Russia because it's the map that was given to us. We can't simulate the entire world, otherwise, we'd be doing that. Justify it whatever way you want. Military, Special Ops, they exist and they're most likely trying or have tried to contain the infection, they should be split all around the world doing so.

Something went horribly wrong, they seem to all be dead. Why would their equipment vanish?

Why should these military-grade weapons be removed and considered to not exist in the game world? They should be there, as you'd expect from any scenario ever created for a zombie apocalypse.

Maybe, just maybe, they should be a little more rare. Since it appears nearly every player is able to find military loot. It should be something far more unique, far harder to find. It's the top tier weaponry, the best defense you can get and it's rare, god it's rare. Military areas should be better guarded, as they would, and military zombies with their heavy armor shouldn't be as easy to kill as others. Hell, add live NPCs shooting anyone on sight, someone ought to have survived from the military, and whoever that was is probably not handling it well.

(2) The removal of PvP gear

What? PvP is a major factor in the game. Hell, it's a major factor in a zombie apocalypse. Take Walking Dead, for those who have read the comics, what is always the greatest threat? The zombies? No! Zombies are driven by instinct, they possess no intelligence. The same way we always got rid of our natural predators, a united front of what's left of humanity would easily find a way to survive in a community. However, people... People, with the absence of law enforcement within current society's standards and mentality, anarchy ensues. People tend to become the biggest problem.

This is part of the game. If a player uses an acquired weapon solely for the purpose of killing other players, so be it. Again referring to the Walking Dead (comics, further in story than the series currently is): notice how they have I-forget-her-name ALWAYS in a vantage point with a sniper. She can look for zombies and alert, something easily done with binoculars. No, she's there mainly for the human threat, with her sniper in hand, having more than a few times ensured the safety of the group with well-aimed headshots at potential human threats.

[stielhandgranate 480]

Yes they are for pvp. Yes my clan uses them in cherno to kill ANYTHING that moves (players' date='regardless of who they are) but removing them is not the answer. Stop being a pussy

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"I use a weapon in a way prevents any form of retaliation and attack tier 1 players to ensure a one sided fight, but everyone else should stop being a pussy"

Now I see why people want these weapons delisted.

[FlashHawk4 44]

Yes they are for pvp. Yes my clan uses them in cherno to kill ANYTHING that moves (players' date='regardless of who they are) but removing them is not the answer. Stop being a pussy

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"I use a weapon in a way prevents any form of retaliation and attack tier 1 players to ensure a one sided fight, but everyone else should stop being a pussy"

Now I see why people want these weapons delisted.

Go get one yourself instead of whining. It's not like you can't, dude.

[chrismgtis 55]

Yea, let's just give everyone axes and get it over with. Stop whining and go play Call of Duty or something.

[DYLANBROCHILL 46]

take out m107, add in winchester 1886 SD

[FlashHawk4 44]

take out m107' date=' add in winchester 1886 SD

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Um...okay Hiram Maxim Jr.

[stielhandgranate 480]

Yes they are for pvp. Yes my clan uses them in cherno to kill ANYTHING that moves (players' date='regardless of who they are) but removing them is not the answer. Stop being a pussy

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"I use a weapon in a way prevents any form of retaliation and attack tier 1 players to ensure a one sided fight, but everyone else should stop being a pussy"

Now I see why people want these weapons delisted.

Go get one yourself instead of whining. It's not like you can't, dude.

I'm not whining at all. Please find the post where I'm begging for weapons to be removed. I'm pointing out name calling people names like a kid having a temper tantrum does not validate your argument,nor does it make for a good rebuttal.

[FlashHawk4 44]

Nothing makes people rage more than thigns like this.

Someone does something unfair, someone gets their feelings hurt, someone comes here and tries to use the devs as a weapon by trying to make them drag the player who originally shot him down to his level, even though that player put in dozens more hours of work into his gear load than the player who complained...

You know what this is? This is Day Z's version of Occupy Wall Street.

"If we can't be given the same cool shit you worked so hard to get, um...you shouldn't get it!"

[stielhandgranate 480]

Nothing makes people rage more than thigns like this.

Someone does something unfair' date=' someone gets their feelings hurt, someone comes here and tries to use the devs as a weapon by trying to make them drag the player who originally shot him down to his level, even though that player put in dozens more hours of work into his gear load than the player who complained...

You know what this is? This is Day Z's version of Occupy Wall Street.

"If we can't be given the same cool shit you worked so hard to get, um...you shouldn't get it!"

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Straw Man attacks aren't good ways to present an argument ether. This isn't occupy wall street. Its a video game suggestion forum. If you don't like someone's opinion don't try to change their mind. Present a well thought out rebuttal and move on with yourself.

[Bulletsponge (DayZ) 1]

Yea' date=' let's just give everyone axes and get it over with.[/quote']

Whoah, dude, axes are sooo OP. I am thinking pillows, maybe make a rare loot drop at a pillow factory.

Re .50 cals, that is the only weapon we have agains DC'rs. If your first round does not kill them they DC so fast I think they got it macroed to their left mouse button.

We still lose quite a few bodies still as they seem to despawn very fast when the recently deceased DC's.

[FlashHawk4 44]

Nothing makes people rage more than thigns like this.

Someone does something unfair' date=' someone gets their feelings hurt, someone comes here and tries to use the devs as a weapon by trying to make them drag the player who originally shot him down to his level, even though that player put in dozens more hours of work into his gear load than the player who complained...

You know what this is? This is Day Z's version of Occupy Wall Street.

"If we can't be given the same cool shit you worked so hard to get, um...you shouldn't get it!"

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Straw Man attacks aren't good ways to present an argument ether. This isn't occupy wall street. Its a video game suggestion forum. If you don't like someone's opinion don't try to change their mind. Present a well thought out rebuttal and move on with yourself.

In that case, may I submit that this is a video game forum, and not a Lincoln-Douglas debate round, and that your listing of fallacies is not an appropriate medium of argumentation either?

I made an analogy that describes what this situation is perfectly, in my opinion anyway. And what was that you said about attempting to change someone's opinion?

[qla 0]

That's why they're hard to be found.

If it only were so. I've seen more players with m107/AS50 than with Enfield/Winchester/cz550 in the past couple of weeks. It's all because there's too many crashed choppers (5 choppers every time) and they are so easy to find, should be easily fixed if the number of choppers would go to random 0-3 on server restart.