Just wanted to take a stab at clarifying KOS misconceptions

[fathairybeast 246]

this post is directed to everyone defending the KOS epidemic on dayz as a reflection of human nature.  also, to those who say that any artificial disincentive for murder coded into the game is tantamount to sacrilege.

 

Let's get the most important part of that whole argument cleared up.  No, human nature is not to shoot fuckall everyone on site for fun.  Someone who grief killed for fun in real life would, by definition, be a sociopath - in the fullest sense of the word.  How many people are sociopaths in real life?  Mental health experts estimate app. 1-3% of the US population are socipaths.  And that's benchmarked from an asshole country.  Imagine how low that number is in some place like canada or sweden where folks are taught Gensler's Golden Rule in utero.  How does that stat compare to the number of Dayz murderers?  Not very well, I suspect.  No, I don't believe dayz attracts sociopaths - none of the folks I've played with consistently (a few dozen, give or take) have shown the trademarks of sociopathy save 1 or 2.  But yes, many of them (and myself, a handful of times) have killed others on sight simply for shits (sorry, i regretted it afterwards...usually).  Why?  Because it's a videogame and as such you can kill someone without compunction.  Worst case scenario: Someone who just wanted to relax after work got their day ruined.  Best case: You make a spoiled brat rage.  Either way, no substantive harm is done.

 

In real life there would be more dire consequences to your actions.  Your pangs of conscience (unless you're part of that 1-3% who failed preschool) would cause you some substantial grief.  You'd have to consider things that aren't much fun to consider: Did he have a family?  What if he's taking care of someone who's bed-ridden? How do I know he would have hurt me, maybe he would have helped?  Sure, I can talk a big game about how killing someone to survive IRL is one of those things that's "just gotta get done ya know.  real talk, survivn bich" but I think that's bravado speaking, not clairvoyance.  The vast majority of us would give a much longer pause before pulling that trigger in a real life situation.

 

But again, it's just a game.  As such, I don't think it's "ruining realism" by adding artificial disincentives for murder.  It's the only way to account for the loss of a tormented conscience a legitimate murder would bring you.

 

My suggestion?:  Nausea, Vomiting, dizziness, anxiety, depression (and with that comes a weakened immune system) subsequently after committing a murder.  These are hallmarks not uncommonly reported after a person kills for the first time, even after killing in self defense.

 

But sociopaths, don't worry!  Because another, ancillary addition to the system could be "resistance" to the psychological and physical effects.  Say you're really a sociopathic douche in real life and you'd like to play like you'd live... well, if you manage to kill enough people in one life you would gain resistance to the aforementioned symptoms.  At least until you die, then you'd have to acclimate your character to murder again.

 

In closure, I don't think implementation of a murder disincentive is absolutely necessary; I still like the game, even with douchey wanks making freshspawns drink bleach while they sit back and giggle.  But it would even out some of the complaints instead of taking the lazy way out and pretending like you've done any sociological research by saying "fuk bruh, just humn nature".  This way both parties would have something to lose, not just the nice guys (and gals).  It would also balance out the fact that one of the quintessential demotivators for murder in real life (conscience) isn't nearly as prevalent in a video game.

 

/rant.  now it's time to go binge on some gay porn. read an exhilerating, non-fiction account of something.

[Death_Dealer 3155]

I'd have to agree with pretty much all of this

 

As for force feeding, I think you should only be able to do it when the victim is handcuffed or even held down by force

[Inception. 9443]

now it's time to go binge on some gay porn.

 

A day in the life of FatHairy.

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Is this for the Mod or the SA?

[triage 117]

this post is directed to everyone defending the KOS epidemic on dayz as a reflection of human nature.  also, to those who say that any artificial disincentive for murder coded into the game is tantamount to sacrilege.

 

Let's get the most important part of that whole argument cleared up.  No, human nature is not to shoot fuckall everyone on site for fun.  Someone who grief killed for fun in real life would, by definition, be a sociopath - in the fullest sense of the word.  How many people are sociopaths in real life?  Mental health experts estimate app. 1-3% of the US population are socipaths.  And that's benchmarked from an asshole country.  Imagine how low that number is in some place like canada or sweden 

First of, Dayz isn't real life. I don't know how long you've been cooped up in your room. Last time I went outside I didn't see zombies running about and eating human beings. Second of, you're just ranting of about statistics and calling other countries names. Why don't you just turn of your computer and go to bed.

[fathairybeast 246]

A day in the life of FatHairy.

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Is this for the Mod or the SA?

SA.  good to see you're still keeping everyone in line

[Inception. 9443]

SA.  good to see you're still keeping everyone in line

 

All day, every day.

 

Why don't you just turn of your computer and go to bed.

 

Please don't.

 

Moved to SA General Discussion.

[fathairybeast 246]

you're just ranting of about statistics and calling other countries names

i'm from the US and i'm not so sensitive that i can't poke fun at myself

[triage 117]

Why don't you just let people play how they want to play the game that they bought with THEIR MONEY. I'm so tiered of these immature posts. If you don't like it, don't play Dayz. 

[Death_Dealer 3155]

Why don't you just let people play how they want to play the game that they bought with THEIR MONEY. I'm so tiered of these immature posts. If you don't like it, don't play Dayz. 

 

The point is that murder in DayZ is incredibly unrealistic and silly. Go out and randomly kill a person, then see if you feel all fine and normal afterwards (please don't)

[creature 1189]

As much as it pains me to type this. KOS being all the rage is the fault of ALL of us. We ALL told Rocket we didn't want punishment for bandit playstyle all this time. WE wanted to police ourselves. WE wanted everything to be "player controlled". "Make it hard so people will work together", we said. 

 

Are WE banding together to take out all the dumbasses that think they're 1337 players because they killed 5 people in a coastal town? 

[triage 117]

The point is that murder in DayZ is incredibly unrealistic and silly. Go out and randomly kill a person, then see if you feel all fine and normal afterwards (please don't)

The point IS it's just a damn game. Why should it be dictated on how it should be played by a bunch of children and teenagers over the internet. That's like saying "Well uhh-- how would you feel if you killed somebody on COD ehheheuh." Honestly, that's so ignorant.

Edited December 28, 2013 by Iownzyou

[excitable1 156]

I must say i KOS because I dont want to be shot.

 

I'm not here to make friends...I am here to survive...and I have to shoot your ass for that can of beans i will.

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

Yeah, DayZ isn't real life. So that human interaction between two players, that's not real. The annoyance the player who gets KOS feels, that's not real. Being a douche bag and killing everyone you see, that's not real, because it's just a game.

 

I fucking hate the whole "it's not real life" argument. The human interaction that happens in this game is real, so that argument makes no sense. The characters you virtually kill, are controlled by real people, with real feelings.

 

If you want to be an asshole and just kill everyone for whatever reason, at least own up to it. Don't hide behind the "it's just a game" excuse.

[triage 117]

Yeah, DayZ isn't real life. So that human interaction between two players, that's not real. The annoyance the player who gets KOS feels, that's not real. Being a douche bag and killing everyone you see, that's not real, because it's just a game.

 

I fucking hate the whole "it's not real life" argument. The human interaction that happens in this game is real, so that argument makes no sense. The characters you virtually kill, are controlled by real people, with real feelings.

 

If you want to be an asshole and just kill everyone for whatever reason, at least own up to it. Don't hide behind the "it's just a game" excuse.

I do agree with you some what. I will admit, I do KOS. I just don't like to be bother or endanger myself.

[reapers239 57]

when did yall become psychologists? even if it was to compare to real life, even if we had some base theories there is no way that we can predict human behavior 100% 

 

first this is game. ppl wont care about killing each other, and KOS is needed for atmosphere of the game

 

second again this is a game 

 

and lastly third this is a game with open choices........

[triage 117]

when did yall become psychologists? even if it was to compare to real life, even if we had some base theories there is no way that we can predict human behavior 100% 

 

first this is game. ppl wont care about killing each other, and KOS is needed for atmosphere of the game

 

second again this is a game 

 

and lastly third this is a game with open choices........

Exactly, at the end of the day when you go to lay your head down on your little pillow. You don't think about how Mr.eliteskilzz shot you from 1200 meters away with all your fancy loot.

Edited December 28, 2013 by Iownzyou

[Death_Dealer 3155]

The point IS it's just a damn game.

 

Here again with the "but its just a game!!!!!!111111111" argument, nice. 

 

Why should it be dictated on how it should be played by a bunch of children and teenagers over the internet.

 

Funny you say that considering you're 15 years old.

 

That's like saying "Well uhh-- how would you feel if you killed somebody on COD ehheheuh." Honestly, that's so ignorant.

 

I don't understand the point you're trying to make here. DayZ aims for more realism while CoD is just a fast paced arcade-style shooter. You can't compare the two; if you try, that makes you ignorant. 

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

So sick of people trying to dismiss dayz as just another mindless shooter.

 

I really feel sorry for you if you can't see the difference between killing someone in COD and in DayZ. You're really missing out on a unique experience.

 

I never argue against KOS, I just argue that people need to respect their kills and lives in this game otherwise you're just wasting A LOT of your time playing it.

[triage 117]

@Death Dealer- Why are you correcting and mocking me? That makes no sense. Where all trying to have a sensible conversation over here, and you're going off about trying to find shit you don't like. Please stop posting on this topic.

Edited December 28, 2013 by Iownzyou

[triage 117]

So sick of people trying to dismiss dayz as just another mindless shooter.

 

I really feel sorry for you if you can't see the difference between killing someone in COD and in DayZ. You're really missing out on a unique experience.

 

I never argue against KOS, I just argue that people need to respect their kills and lives in this game otherwise you're just wasting A LOT of your time playing it.

In no way or shape of form is Dayz a mindless arcade shooter. Dayz takes strategy and skill. I do agree with you upon that simple fact. At the same time though people should just play how they want.

Edited December 28, 2013 by Iownzyou

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

I'm just saying don't hide behind "it's just a game" when everybody hates you for your playstyle. Everyone should play how they want, just don't expect everybody else to respect it.

[reapers239 57]

So sick of people trying to dismiss dayz as just another mindless shooter.

 

I really feel sorry for you if you can't see the difference between killing someone in COD and in DayZ. You're really missing out on a unique experience.

 

I never argue against KOS, I just argue that people need to respect their kills and lives in this game otherwise you're just wasting A LOT of your time playing it.

 

i think whats going on is that the majority of the community mixes coast retards that never leave the coast but just kill for lols with the real KOS, which in my book is i see the guy and think " if i let him live will he shoot me in the back?" we have to admit it, it comes to point where we have to make that  choice to survive. when the loot rate is what it should be that choice will be heavier.  But again this is a game no reason to be overworked by it 

[Daemonkid 493]

Well, I killed 2 armed players with a fire axe. I spotted them from about I would say 300 meters. I gave chase, using concealment and cover when I could. I managed to get within 15 meters of them. Skilfully positioned myself and watched. They were scouting the area ahead of us from some rocks. They broke off from each other, 1 of the guys was alone. I saw my chance at took it, I ran up and axed him in the head, he died instantly. The other guy, fearing for his life from the unknown assailant(ME! :D) ran off and took some cover. I hid behind some rocks, making sure I had my eyes on him the whole time, I navigated around the rocks, keeping myself concealed. He was coming back for me. He froze for a second, with his weapon raised looking for me. He turns his back, I strike. He took a few blows, but nothing fatal yet. He runs off, and I watch as he bleeds out attempting to bandage himself. I sit back comfortably, knowing I just prevented my own death, and possibly others. I killed them not because I wanted to, but to see if I could. That was the real thrill, taking the 2 of them down in a quick ambush. 

[Death_Dealer 3155]

Why are you correcting and mocking me? That makes no sense. Where all trying to have a sensible conversation over here, and you're going off about trying to find shit you don't like. Please stop posting on this topic.

 

1st quote: You say it's "just a game", which is a silly argument. That's like Rocket adding jets and tanks in DayZ then telling the community that it's fine because it's just a game. 

 

2nd quote: You say you don't want playstyles to be dictated by kids and teens over the internet, yet you're doing just that; a contradiction. 

 

3rd quote: As I already said, DayZ aims for realism. It's not even close to being like CoD. Therefor, you cannot compare the two. 

[triage 117]

I'm just saying don't hide behind "it's just a game" when everybody hates you for your playstyle. Everyone should play how they want, just don't expect everybody else to respect it.

I 100% agree with you man. People shouldn't make threads about things they don't like though. It's a bit hypocritical when somebody says we should do things like real life, when someone is complain about how they don't like something. Cry me a river, wake up to the real world. (Not going towards you, other people in the topic **Cough Cough topic started Cough COugh**