How about Balota airfield military loot getting removed?

[-j3bbah 24]

I got news for some of you guys crying "THIS IS A ZOMBIE SURVIVAL GAME" 

 

Open PvP full looting games attract PK's (aka bandits) regardless of what type of game it is.  The story line doesn't matter.

 

I started with Ultima Online way back in 1998, then Eve Online, then Darkfall, now DayZ.   Zombies, spaceships, mages.. it doesn't matter.  Its the PvP aspect some people like.

Never once did I say PvP or PK was a problem, they're paramount to this being a worthwhile game. What I'm saying is you shouldn't be allowed to bypass every other core aspect of the game and still have access to end game gear to PvP with. In the same way it takes 35285 fucking years of grinding before a noob in Darkfall or EVE can compete.

You can't just go into Darkfall and be like, I want to PK, so give me dragon armour and max skills cos I don't wanna grind. It's part of the core of the game, the same way survival and progression is (supposed to be) in DayZ

 

 

 

If you want to play with zombies and be in survival mode thats fine... but some people just want to hunt other people.  I dont think thats is any less legitimate of a reason to play this game.

Except that it IS a survival orientated game in the same way it is also a PvP orientated game. You shouldnt be choosing whether or not you want to play survival while still accessing the end game, in the same way non-PvPers shouldnt be choosing whether or not they want to get shot in the face while accessing their end game. It's all intertwined and that's how it should be.

 

 

 

Regardless,  giving naked noobs the ability to defend themselves faster should be seen as a good thing because even if you make people go up north for military gear they are still going to bring it back down to Cherno to kill people.

 

= Time & effort = consequence

If you're going all the way to the airfield to get your gear the last thing you want is to get shot and spawn back at the coast.

 

If you're spawning at Balota and getting end game gear at Balota, you just aren't gonna give a fuck = deathmatch.

Edited December 24, 2013 by -j3bbah

[foamninja 77]

Yes testers do give feedback, in a BUG TRACKER!

http://feedback.dayzgame.com/login_page.php

There are CHANNELS FOR THIS AND ITS IN THE FORUM RULES

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/154048-bug-reports/

You claim to be so experience with forums and their rules but fail to read this forums rules.

Did you think before you posted I DID! You ate your own words there pretty bad, must have drank some disinfectant.

Should we take anything you claim with credibility?

So I, and several others, notice the OPness of Balota. Post in Gerneal Discussion about how bullshit it is. It eventually gets more than enough attention to where Devs read it, they usually read General for bugs that aren't put in the Bugs Forum anyway. This is General Discussion, welcome to where we can talk about whatever we want that is DayZ Related even if it's shit we want fixed.

I couldn't give any fucks on what you take from me as "credible". You're just another guy that thinks he is right over everyone else, like I am, and anyone else in the forums. Have a nice day telling everyone, in a sense, that you are correct on everything. You can keep this argument going, however Im not returning to read whatever you say.

[-j3bbah 24]

You realize the mod had Balota military spawns, too, right? There were like 15+ military spawn points at Balota in the mod.

 

It wasn't an issue, because they were almost always looted out and heavily camped, so people stopped going there because it was a death trap.

 

The standalone is no different, and people will learn not to go there eventually. No reason whatsoever to take these spawn points out.

Hangar & air tower =/= barracks

 

There's no difference between low and high end military loot in the standalone yet. So why would we be making changes to the map right now? There's no 50 calibers or NVGs. It's all just backpacks and M4s.

 

I assume when rocket releases the final loot tables and spawn mechanics, he will take into consideration balancing the position of loot.

 

Having this debate now, before loot spawn mechanics even exist, is goofy and pointless.

Again, Im not complaining about the state of things right now Im arguing against those who think the map and loot is currently balanced and should stay how it is.

[captainvette2112 84]

Never once did I say PvP or PK was a problem, they're paramount to this being a worthwhile game. What I'm saying is you shouldn't be allowed to bypass every other core aspect of the game and still have access to end game gear to PvP with. In the same way it takes 35285 fucking years of grinding before a noob in Darkfall or EVE can compete.

You can't just go into Darkfall and be like, I want to PK, so give me dragon armour and max skills cos I don't wanna grind. It's part of the core of the game, the same way survival and progression is (supposed to be) in DayZ

 

 

 

Except that it IS a survival orientated game in the same way it is also a PvP orientated game. You shouldnt be choosing whether or not you want to play survival while still accessing the end game, in the same way non-PvPers shouldnt be choosing whether or not they want to get shot in the face while accessing their end game. It's all intertwined and that's how it should be.

 

 

 

 

= Time & effort = consequence

If you're going all the way to the airfield to get your gear the last thing you want is to get shot and spawn back at the coast.

 

If you're spawning at Balota and getting end game gear at Balota, you just aren't gonna give a fuck = deathmatch.

 

 

We will just have to agree to disagree.... I think its fine the way it is. 

[Twixxer 159]

Funny how whoever wants the PVP rate on coast get decreased gets labeled as a pussy or carebear. It's a zombie apocalypse survival game. It's supposed to simulate a zombie outbreak, not World War III.

[captainvette2112 84]

Funny how whoever wants the PVP rate on coast get decreased gets labeled as a pussy or carebear. It's a zombie apocalypse survival game. It's supposed to simulate a zombie outbreak, not World War III.

 

The fact is its an open PvP world which means IT CAN BE ANYTHING YOU WANT IT TO BE. 

 

You see it as a zombie apocalypse survival game.... I see it as a an open world player hunting game with the occasional annoying zombie thrown in for AI disruption.  It could be space aliens for all I care. 

 

The beauty in that I not you paid the $29.99 to purchase this game means that I not you get to decide how I am going to play it. 

 

Besides you dont think there would be bands of people raping pillaging and murdering everything in site for their own benefit in a real zombie apocalypse?   So just think of all this PvP as ROLE PLAYING  :P and enjoy 

[ProGamerGov 74]

Dayz is brutal. It doesn't give you a helping hand or guide/ protect you. You get shot even unarmed. It's survival not a shooter. Live with that or go play the mod.

[ProGamerGov 74]

Funny how whoever wants the PVP rate on coast get decreased gets labeled as a pussy or carebear. It's a zombie apocalypse survival game. It's supposed to simulate a zombie outbreak, not World War III.

If it simulates a zombie apocalypse survival game then why would a military bases location matter?

I know I would want to protect the airfield for resupply and rescue and because if the easy access to the coast.

[BubbaGoom 3]

Nah, I think it's okay how it is right now. Keeps the KoS bandits and noobs away from the stuff inland.

[Egrets 5]

What if the guns that spawned in Balota had a high chance of being damaged, while pristine weapons were more common further north?

Have 10 round magazines spawn near the coast, and you have to travel north to find high capacity magazines. Same logic could apply to scopes or any gear really

Thats the kind of balance i'd like to see, rather than all the guns being super rare.

[RatedTForTom 20]

All the airfields, barracks, and military tents should all be situated in the north. It's silly to have such things close to the coast because it doesn't encourage players to venture up north. 

[OMGitsSexyChase 41]

Guys you have to realize there are only a few weapons in the game and all them spawn downsouth ao thers is no point to walk up north at this point, when they add DMRs and the svd in there will be more of a beed to go uo to the international airport for better military loot

This is a alpha guys come on,there is also way more loot on servers since they restart so much due to spawning bugs

Its a alpha guys

[Zeppa 562]

In other words, it's okay for play styles to differ as long as they differ in ways and degrees that you're personally comfortable with.

 

The most important lesson you can learn about DayZ is that you don't get to tell people what the game is about. That's their choice and if you don't like their choice you can either avoid them or kill them. You're not going to convince them all to go play different games.

No, my point is.

Why would you buy a zombie survival game, if there is so much better games to achieve what you are looking for, in this case "fear of death/perma death" and pvp? ie arma. If you have no interest what so ever about survival or zeds when I dont understand why would you buy this game. If you like being a bandit and killing/robbing for loot then thats allright, go for it but thats not purely shooting everything that moves. Thats like buying NFS to drive along the traffic...

I dont really care if there is few players running around with strictly pvp mentality, I can deal with that. But if they are ones that shoot fresh spawns and people that cant even defend them selves(axe vs m4) then its rediculous and stupid.

Devs are have not made this game for strictly pvp, and you can tell by the measures they have taken in the mod.

And ALOT will change when they get loot,zeds and such better... less military loot, less ammo, more zeds that are atracted to gun fire from larger distances etc fun stuff!

Edited December 25, 2013 by Zeppa

[scaramoosh 162]

This needs to happen, people just don't go anywhere else any more. 

[excitable1 156]

Once the zombies are more formidable (better AI, larger numbers), players will see them as the larger threat and will be less likely to fight each other and more likely to form alliances to combat against zombies.

 

It will also finally provide a reason to not KOS as currently a lot of players see no tangible reason not to. Reason being fight could draw too much attention and the player may be of more assistance alive.

dont see that happening..i would simply avoid high risk area's and kos you somewhere else...why ..you have something i need.

end of world scenario dictates i want to survive...i could care less about you surviving.

[excitable1 156]

I spawn in ...grab basic stuff and head north.. the coast is just a noob area where noob's feel they must prowl around to get kills.

the real players head north to roam and explore to find things they need to survive.

and also to get some pvp action with people that dont feel the need to camp on top of buildings to get a kill

[Twixxer 159]

The fact is its an open PvP world which means IT CAN BE ANYTHING YOU WANT IT TO BE. 

 

You see it as a zombie apocalypse survival game.... I see it as a an open world player hunting game with the occasional annoying zombie thrown in for AI disruption.  It could be space aliens for all I care. 

 

The beauty in that I not you paid the $29.99 to purchase this game means that I not you get to decide how I am going to play it. 

 

Besides you dont think there would be bands of people raping pillaging and murdering everything in site for their own benefit in a real zombie apocalypse?   So just think of all this PvP as ROLE PLAYING  :P and enjoy 

The devs are the ones which decide what you are going to play since it's THEIR game, they want it to be a zombie survival game.

 

Guys you have to realize there are only a few weapons in the game and all them spawn downsouth ao thers is no point to walk up north at this point, when they add DMRs and the svd in there will be more of a beed to go uo to the international airport for better military loot

This is a alpha guys come on,there is also way more loot on servers since they restart so much due to spawning bugs

Its a alpha guys

 

DMR's and SVD's aren't getting added you know.

No, my point is.

Why would you buy a zombie survival game, if there is so much better games to achieve what you are looking for, in this case "fear of death/perma death" and pvp? ie arma. If you have no interest what so ever about survival or zeds when I dont understand why would you buy this game. If you like being a bandit and killing/robbing for loot then thats allright, go for it but thats not purely shooting everything that moves. Thats like buying NFS to drive along the traffic...

I dont really care if there is few players running around with strictly pvp mentality, I can deal with that. But if they are ones that shoot fresh spawns and people that cant even defend them selves(axe vs m4) then its rediculous and stupid.

Devs are have not made this game for strictly pvp, and you can tell by the measures they have taken in the mod.

And ALOT will change when they get loot,zeds and such better... less military loot, less ammo, more zeds that are atracted to gun fire from larger distances etc fun stuff!

Exactly. 

[excitable1 156]

I think the loot shouldn't be removed, but rather limited. It's very hard to say right now though, because loot tables at the moment are pretty bad.

I agree. as it is now i am pretty well kitted up with atleast 200 bullets for my gun...food and drink and med supplies.

make stuff a bit harder to get.. now i dont think making it next to impossible to find stuff is good .... but come on people is not getting kitted up half the fun in this game?

the other half is protecting what you worked hard to find.

 

sorry but it is way too easy to get kitted up right now.

[excitable1 156]

Guys you have to realize there are only a few weapons in the game and all them spawn downsouth ao thers is no point to walk up north at this point, when they add DMRs and the svd in there will be more of a beed to go uo to the international airport for better military loot

This is a alpha guys come on,there is also way more loot on servers since they restart so much due to spawning bugs

Its a alpha guys

 

 

wow are you for real?

have you even left cherno or balota?

 

all the best gear i have found is north.

no retards on top of buildings up north.

 

please everyone before you post stupid stuff have a look around the map so you dont sound retarded  or like you have no clue as to what your spewing.

[TLa_Vanguard 52]

its alpha + no vehicles = lhigh blood pressure, imagine running all the way up to the NWA to find nothing or just have your game glitch out! Having loot so close to spawn works for the alpha but not the full game.

[ImageCtrl 719]

DMR's and SVD's aren't getting added you know.

 

dev quote?

It´s all about gearing up.

I strongly belive there is no end in gearing up, you know always something better is out there.

Maybe they are rare, maybe they are super rare. Maybe only one in a week spawn on all servers together...

They are in, I bet on that. It would be stupid coming to a point you think you are complete, you can´t get better gear now.

Edited December 25, 2013 by NoCheats

[Twixxer 159]

dev quote?

It´s all about gearing up.

I strongly belive there is no end in gearing up, you know always something better is out there.

Maybe they are rare, maybe they are super rare. Maybe only one in a week spawn on all servers together...

They are in, I bet on that. It would be stupid coming to a point you think you are complete, you can´t get better gear now.

You think I'm gonna go trough each devblog again to find the part where Dean says overpowered unrealistic weapons like DMR's, SVD's, 50. cals etc are not getting added to standalone? DayZ mod maybe was all about gearing up, devs want to change that for the standalone so it's actually about surviving.

[TheNerdySecret 13]

Even though I have been killed (on sight) at Balota, I think it is good as it is. Why?

The airstrip simply has a high risk/ high reward ratio.

 

Also, It is easily avoidable & does lure some of the bandits away from Cherno.

I think the same thing you can avoid it so easily.

[Gdaddy22 299]

ITT: DON'T REMOVE LOOT BECAUSE I SUCK AT THIS GAME AND IF I DON'T FIND M4 AND 1000 BULLETS RIGHT AFTER I SPAWN I WILL DIE.

[porkypants (DayZ) 0]

I think the discussion is pointless, there is only 3 weapons in the game. 

Loot balancing can only be done once we know everything. Maybe northwest airfield has a helicopter spawn or awp or else that makes it worth the travel?

Also right now many dont travel away from the coast because there are no vehicles, in case of death it takes too long to get back to your group.

 

So please no changes to Balota airfield untill the loot is more complete.