Third person view removal from SA discussion

[Gerandar 212]

Except in that poll, the question asks if third person was removed, how would you react. This can't be judged by looking at the current number of players playing on which servers.

 

So, I'll ask again, why should I accept that line of thinking when my experience in these discussions & things like that poll say otherwise? Why does the amount of first person servers in a split system represent the overall feeling towards removing 3rd person view?

 

It makes no sense. That's like saying everyone has pennies at home in their change jar, so nobody supports the removal of the penny from circulation. People playing third person doesn't mean they can't deal with it being removed. Sway my opinion on this topic, PLEASE!

 

Dealing with it being removed and wanting it removed are not the same thing, if more people disliked 3rd person you would have full first person only servers thats just logic if people wanted to play your way they would, sorry they dont we need the camera fixed but i'm sorry to burst your bubble its not going anywhere as a hole.

 

also on a side note the games genre doesn't list First Person Shooter anywhere either, just saying

 

http://store.steampowered.com/app/221100/

 

"Genre: Action, Early Access, Indie, Massively Multiplayer"

Edited January 6, 2014 by Gerandar

[soulfirez 901]

I just watched this, and I have to say it is very interesting. I'd like to see them try something like this. I do find players appearing a disappearing kind of awkward and "immersion breaking", but i guess there has to be a compromise somewhere

I am happy to see any other idea that makes the game have less exploits it wont killl my immersion when i am in first person playing with a person in 3rd ( i do my friend hates 1st always uses 3rd so when i play with him i play 3pp  on when i dont i play 3pp off servers) i have to ask you find that the people apearing disapering ( in the way that when you couldnt see them there not there) but you find it immersive to be able to see them when your standing behind a 7 foot wall??

 

immersion has many factors to it but realisim is a key factor to many people (not all) but Dayz was intended to be the anti game a hardcore game with no hand holding (rockets words not mine slighytly paraphrased) and not being able to see something you cant well see from where your standing laying crouching is um realistic.

 

Other possibilities might be to lock the camera to head height so looking down doesnt force the camera up but this will indeed feel awkward to a person who is use to playing 3pp as it stands now no solution will be perfect but some will be better than others.

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

Rather than debate his side, he simply refuses to accept my personal experience or any evidence I bring him.

Edit: Wreckless, it's over 800,000 now, at least be accurate if you're gonna get all picky over the numbers.

Sorry my bad. So it's a poll based on 0.6% of the playerbase. Much better. ;)

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

Dealing with it being removed and wanting it removed are not the same thing, if more people disliked 3rd person you would have full first person only servers thats just logic if people wanted to play your way they would, sorry they dont we need the camera fixed but i'm sorry to burst your bubble its not going anywhere as a hole.

 

I see you're still not responding to why we should consider the low numbers of first person server as a good indicator of what people think of 3rd being removed. You just fall back on telling me it's never going to be removed.

 

It's like you're afraid to have the discussion I want to have. Like you're scared that if you admit a lot of people want it removed, it'll happen within the hour or something.

 

Oh well, enjoy your ignorance & keep telling us it'll never happen.

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

Sorry my bad. So it's a poll based on 0.6% of the playerbase. Much better. ;)

 

I could easily go through the trouble of adding up the number of players currently playing the game and then compare that to 800,000 and use that to dispute your claim that the low amount of first person servers accurately represents the whole dayz population.

 

But, it's pointless, because you wouldn't respect that. The same way I don't respect your dismissal of 5000 responses to a poll.

[daze23 549]

i have to ask you find that the people apearing disapering ( in the way that when you couldnt see them there not there) but you find it immersive to be able to see them when your standing behind a 7 foot wall??

to be clear, I prefer first person. but basically I would find it "awkward and immersion breaking" because it would be different from how I'm used to playing a 3rd person video game. like many people, I basically use that 'exploit' subconsciously. it's just how I'm used to playing a 3rd person game. I think that's key to why some people don't understand, or won't accept, that it is an exploit. they're just so used to playing like that

I would basically have to retrain my brain to know there could be someone there, even though I can't see them

edit: well really I would just play in 1st person to avoid any confusion. the thing I'm really curious about is how the 3rd person advocates would react to those types of changes

Edited January 6, 2014 by daze23

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

There's no reason they couldn't remove third person until something like that system can be implemented.

There's no reason they couldn't remove 1st person until then either if they wanted to. Door swings both ways on that one.

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

The only thing I can say I instantly dislike about the system from 2017 is the angles. You can be looking out into an open area, but if a player is situated just right behind a near pole, you can see that area as open ground, but your line of sight makes him invisible. It might be difficult for you to tell what exactly your eyes can see without going into first, causing people to move back and forth in order to make sure there's nobody hiding behind poles. In first person view, you can clearly see that a pole is blocking your view of that spot.

 

It's nothing huge mind you. Just something I observed watching the video.

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

There's no reason they couldn't remove 1st person until then either if they wanted to. Door swings both ways on that one.

 

Why would they remove first person? There are literally ZERO arguments for doing that. Not to mention that would essentially break the game. How can you even look down a scope without being in first person?

[daze23 549]

There's no reason they couldn't remove 1st person until then either if they wanted to. Door swings both ways on that one.

most 3rd person players use 1st person at some point. the obvious thing being when you ADS. but also when you're in a bush, or somewhere the 3rd person camera is blocked. ...or when you want to look at your compass

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

People playing third person doesn't mean they can't deal with it being removed.

People playing 1st person doesn't mean they can't deal with it being removed. Again, could go either way. ;)

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

When do the kids go back to school?

[gibonez 3633]

Yea what if we agree on a compromise ?

 

FPV only servers have only fpv.

TPV only servers have only tpv not both.

 

Would people still play tpv servers ?

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

Yea what if we agree on a compromise ?

 

FPV only servers have only fpv.

TPV only servers have only tpv not both.

 

Would people still play tpv servers ?

 

Don't sink to their level and discuss the absurd.

[gibonez 3633]

Don't sink to their level and discuss the absurd.

 

How is it absurd.

 

Third person players keep tpv.

FPV players keep fpv.

 

everyone wins no ?

 

TPV players can continue to exploit it.

 

FPV players get fair pvp engagements.

[soulfirez 901]

How is it absurd.

 

Third person players keep tpv.

FPV players keep fpv.

 

everyone wins no ?

 

TPV players can continue to exploit it.

 

FPV players get fair pvp engagements.

Come on man bad mojo is right that is absurd and you know it many parts of the game require 1st person the compass scopes hell pretty much any fighting/firing of guns. Even the way loot is hidden requires it (well to get everything it does) i like the fact so many guys loot 3rd view yes it means they can spot the majority of stuff real quick and move on but they always leave the hidden stuff (under beds etc)

 

Anyone with a hint of inteligence knows you need 1st person view at many points i doubt many would ask for its removal well except the gentleman here who is just trying to troll you and get a rise by saying they could remove 1st view..

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

How is it absurd.

 

Third person players keep tpv.

FPV players keep fpv.

 

everyone wins no ?

 

TPV players can continue to exploit it.

 

FPV players get fair pvp engagements.

 

To be truly third person only, they would have to give people with scopes increased 3rd person zoom and better 3d crosshairs for acog/aimpoints.

 

Who's asking for that? Nobody wants to be locked into third person only. Even the most dedicated third person advocates will still use first person sometimes.

 

It just seems absurd when talking about dayz.

[dallas 5195]

Yea what if we agree on a compromise ?

 

FPV only servers have only fpv.

TPV only servers have only tpv not both.

 

Would people still play tpv servers ?

I see this as a continuation of the whole notion of removing third person view.

First person players continue to think, third person players should be forced to play on first person severs, so first person players don't have to fill up their own servers. If they can't completely remove third person, they instead want to ruin third person, because they think this will move third person players to their empty first person servers.

This is not how BI's difficulty difficulty hierarchy works. Third person servers allows you to switch views as you see fit. Third person view for accurate personal awareness and first person view for accurate aiming. If that's not to your liking, luckily you can join first person servers, where this choice is disabled.

[agentGOTyoBEANS 4]

I don't mean to troll anyone but this isn't an important problem as the host of server can turn it off or on. if u don't like 3rd got to server w/o it simple I use both 3rd to search and fight zombies and first to shoot it out with K.o.S.ers...... lets find real problems with the game and brain storm on how to fix them, remember everyone this is an alpha the core game needs to be de-bugged before rockets team can move forward and field what dayzers would like to see in game.

 

good luck survivors,

 

thanks for the protection and gear heros,

 

and happy hunting bandits, I look forward to meeting you all on this brain child of rocket

 

 

 

and before everyone gets up in arms take a look at where the mod got to. and that was only a fraction of where this game is going to be mark my words this game is going to put all other sandboxes to shame with our help and the dayz teams minds.

[agentGOTyoBEANS 4]

I see this as a continuation of the whole notion of removing third person view.

First person players continue to think, third person players should be forced to play on first person severs, so first person players don't have to fill up their own servers. If they can't completely remove third person, they instead want to ruin third person, because they think this will move third person players to their empty first person servers.

This is not how BI's difficulty difficulty hierarchy works. Third person servers allows you to switch views as you see fit. Third person view for accurate personal awareness and first person view for accurate aiming. If that's not to your liking, luckily you can join first person servers, where this choice is disabled.

and to add on just think about this people if 3rd person was turned off how many people do you think would find another game to play? if another company heard that there was no more 3rd person they would be nipping at dayz buns to drop a third peson only zombie pvp/pve sand box to steal away loyal players. this has to be a game where the player has almost full control over every aspect of the game, from picking up m4s you find and dumping them in rivers/ponds so other players can find them or opening food u cant carry anyway to help weed out the weak.....all the way to how to view and speak with other players. that's what makes it great

[sobieski12 835]

Really this discussion is quite pointless. 

 

Everybody understand the exploits and advantages of the 3rd person camera, a massive chunk of this community will never give it up. Since it's a tool that is heavily dependent among casual gamers, of which is not bad. Everyone has their own play style. Some people play the game in a fair way while others continue to exploit cheap advantages, its just a simple fact how the gaming world works.

 

But as I said before, this discussion is quite honestly over. Rocket has said time and again, that the 3rd person camera will not be removed. If you want balanced pvp then go ahead and join a 1st person server. Otherwise leave the 3rd person community alone, let them play how they want to. I am quite sure they understand perfectly in how to utilize the tool.

 

Tbh, I think the DayZ forum moderators have given up on shutting down 1st versus 3rd person threads. But I must say, I do appreciate that some people are interested in balanced pvp.

Edited January 6, 2014 by Sobieski12

[Mullucka 34]

Idc I like looking at my character, simple as that, especially now with the new clothes, only time i go first person is to aim, its not cheating if everyone can do it, dont like it? play on a fp server, there's plenty of em

[sobieski12 835]

Idc I like looking at my character, simple as that, especially now with the new clothes, only time i go first person is to aim, its not cheating if everyone can do it, dont like it? play on a fp server, there's plenty of em

 

That sad part is that you think your logic regarding cheating is ok.

* The very least you admitted it being a cheap exploitative mechanic

 

So it's ok if everyone started to use hacks in DayZ standalone, I mean if everyone started to use hacks it would be fair right?

 

Would it be alright, in terms of your logic?

Edited January 6, 2014 by Sobieski12

[Mullucka 34]

That sad part is that you think your logic regarding cheating is ok.

* The very least you admitted it being a cheap exploitative mechanic

 

So it's ok if everyone started to use hacks in DayZ standalone, I mean if everyone started to use hacks it would be fair right?

 

Would it be alright, in terms of your logic?

 

That's not my logic, its built into the game. A hacker adds hacks to the game, completely different kettle of fish. Everyone uses teamspeak, Dayzdb and 3rd person, these are exploits.

[wild_man 4442]

Rocket miss great opportunity :|

 

for early release alpha version he should not putting in 3rd person view

 

he say he want to fix make less exploit example prone no 3rd etc?

 

he should put in AFTER IS FIX >:(

 

or never when all guys are use to play 1st person way ;)

 

now is situation rocket don't win

 

he do nothing to fix 3rd - guys wonder why anti-game survival experience reputation for be unforgive game having comedy view mode make joke on strategy play style? :huh:

 

he fix some exploit - guys who addict for this crutch will make rage on him like baby when you taking away toy >:(

 

he remove - even worse baby rage like same when you taking away toy and foods and milk from mother tits :o >:(