Third person view removal from SA discussion

[Inception. 9443]

All evil needs is the good men to do nothing...

 

I like the quote, but if you have a problem with Ken Bean, use the report button.

[Gandolaf 81]

I'm not going to repeat myself for a 5th or 6th time. Stop with that shitty canned response. 

 

The only point you have is that the fpv-only servers are pretty empty.Nothing else.

If we didn't have those i would be totally on your side,playing first person only is much more fun, but we have fpv-only server,and the only valid argument is that you want to play with more people. If the majority doesn't like it it is your fault, not theirs.

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

Alright, "first person only" servers isn't hardcore enough. I want some dedicated servers to be "zero weapon" servers because weapons are OP and exploitive against those of us that want to bare-knuckle box our way through the zombie apocolypse.

And then when nobody wants to play on my "zero weapon" servers I demand that all weapons should be removed from DayZ to make it more fair for my 2 friends and I who don't like guns.

[gibonez 3633]

 

The only point you have is that the fpv-only servers are pretty empty.Nothing else.

 

There are a wide variety points people who want tpv removed are using over and over again.

 

Problem is nobody on the other side seems to have any valid arguments aside from "but I like to use it"

 

Still waiting on someone to tell me why its ok with them to see over cover and walls using tpv.

[The_Man 393]

You guys are really really bad in reading, understanding and therefore argueing.

I bet you guys enjoy yourselves in 3PP. Nobody doubted that.

You can't enjoy this game without it? Well, poor little thing! Can't walk without crutches. Sad story.

 

I do enjoy first person servers but I also enjoy third person servers. I dislike the community being separated on the issue. The idea that third person could be present without giving an advantage or "crutch" as you call it would be the best solution in my opinion. The 2017 third person solution is perfect. I think that development team made a wrong decision if they continue to have separate hives for first and third person. It continues to the problem and splits the community further. People who enjoy third person are stigmatized as being "poor little things" apparently. I do not like this as a veteran player who uses third person to enjoy the world more and not to hunt people. 

[Gandolaf 81]

There are a wide variety points people who want tpv removed are using over and over again.

 

Problem is nobody on the other side seems to have any valid arguments aside from "but I like to use it"

 

Still waiting on someone to tell me why its ok with them to see over cover and walls using tpv.

"I like to use it" is a valid argument because we have an easy option to avoid this. 

 

Another argument is that new player feel much comfortable with the third person,because it is more user friendly. The third person didn't destroy the mod and it won't destroy the standalone.

[devilsurn 7]

I'm totally in favour for first person views only with the added supported option to change FoV. I think it'll be more immersive to the player and create a more difficult, divers situation (Team Work). Although I feel they would need to add some sort of peaking system (Over a fence, slightly open doors )or tools that'll involve mirrors on a stick for those corners.

 

In comparison to the current third person view hiding behind a tree or a wall and being able to see over the top while crouched or is just to much of a arcade game in my opinion and first person views would separate the men from the mice.

[Gandolaf 81]

 

I'm totally in favour for first person views only with the added supported option to change FoV. I think it'll be more immersive to the player and create a more difficult, divers situation (Team Work). Although I feel they would need to add some sort of peaking system (Over a fence, slightly open doors )or tools that'll involve mirrors on a stick for those corners.

 

In comparison to the current third person view hiding behind a tree or a wall and being able to see over the top while crouched or is just to much of a arcade game in my opinion and first person views would separate the men from the mice.

 

I would like a peaking system too. If you crouch and the hold the crouch-key the character should raise his head a little.

Edited January 6, 2014 by Gandolaf

[Mutonizer 78]

There are a wide variety points people who want tpv removed are using over and over again.

 

Problem is nobody on the other side seems to have any valid arguments aside from "but I like to use it"

 

Still waiting on someone to tell me why its ok with them to see over cover and walls using tpv.

 

Many people (including myself) have quite often actual physical problems when in 1st person view. Personally, I just cannot play 1st with head-bob activated for example, or at some fov settings. I never pushed beyond the simple "sick feeling" but I'm pretty sure I'd end up fainting or something if I pushed on.

Since I'm a hardcore 1st person in ARMA, it's a problem obviously :)

 

Luckily for me, I adjusted my fov sliders, disabled headbob and now that there are 1st only servers, can play and fully enjoy ever second of it. Some other people however might still be sick despite trying to adjust fov and whatnot. It's...genetics? I don't know..but it does exist.

 

Now, Rocket (I think? or was it Hicks?) mentioned trying to fit both worlds in there at some point. Stuff like "auto 1st person when prone" or "closer camera" where mentioned I think, to combat the various 3rd person abuses. Since most "issues" people have with 1st person is when moving, and most abuses are when not moving, it could be an interesting twist on the problem.

For now we have split servers and soon (apparently?) split hives. I'm good with it but it's always sad when things like that, not 3 weeks into an alpha, split the community in two already.

[daze23 549]

I would like a peaking system too. If you crouch and the hold the crouch-key the character should raise his head a little.

you can kind of do that with the stance adjustments in Arma 3

[CrocoDan 19]

keeping 3rd person view servers is good for new players until they familiarize with the game

 

on the other hand, maybe its better to just have them jump into the cold water immediately

[thequantum 52]

I dont understand how third person offers that much of an advantage to bandits. Can someone explain?

[gibonez 3633]

I dont understand how third person offers that much of an advantage to bandits. Can someone explain?

that video answers everything.

[The_Man 393]

keeping 3rd person view servers is good for new players until they familiarize with the game

 

on the other hand, maybe its better to just have them jump into the cold water immediately

 

I've been playing since Operation Flashpoint and I still find first person to be clunky and boring. There is nothing quite like looking at the country of Chernarus in third person. If anything keep it in for immersion and take out the parts that make people whine: looking over corners and what not. This has been done in a very effective manner. Why both sides won't totally agree on this is beyond me! I see no valid argument from the First Person side only knowing that it is possible to achieve a no advantage for anyone third person. 

[Guest]

Obviously 3rd person view should stay. It gives the game a unique feel, and if people don't like it, there are always options to join servers with 3rdPV disabled. 

 

This shouldn't even be debatable. However, taking good, hasty care of potential glitches and bugs which enable people exploiting 3rdPV is a must.

[lipemr 160]

well, arguing about it is just as stupid as arguing about KoS, people will ALWAYS take the easier route, even more if there's no consequenses to it.

 

Rocket should just disable it and let the world burn, after all these innertial asshats get through the exploit-withdrawal, everything will be ok.

[Guest]

well, arguing about it is just as stupid as arguing about KoS, people will ALWAYS take the easier route, even more if there's no consequenses to it.

 

Rocket should just disable it and let the world burn, after all these innertial asshats get through the exploit-withdrawal, everything will be ok.

 

Yes, because everyone who likes 3rd person view is obviously an "innertial asshat". Brilliant. Thinking black&white in its purest form.

[Hosty 647]

Obviously 3rd person view should stay. It gives the game a unique feel, and if people don't like it, there are always options to join servers with 3rdPV disabled. 

 

This shouldn't even be debatable. However, taking good, hasty care of potential glitches and bugs which enable people exploiting 3rdPV is a must.

 

Yet again, all you 3rdp defenders have is "I like it"/"it's nice"/"friendly to new people"

 

ALL of these aren't valid. 

 

What's valid is that 3RDP gives you unfair advantages, whereas 1STP does not, and if everyone used it, the game would be fair.

[Guest]

Yet again, all you 3rdp defenders have is "I like it"/"it's nice"/"friendly to new people"

 

ALL of these aren't valid. 

 

What's valid is that 3RDP gives you unfair advantages, whereas 1STP does not, and if everyone used it, the game would be fair.

 

Unfair advantage? Please, enlighten me. How exactly is using 3rd person mode exploiting? I can absolutely guarantee, that If 3rdPV would be taken away, that tons of people would leave this game. 

 

BOTH views should stay, because they're both useful in different situations.

Edited January 6, 2014 by Guest

[serenityrick 218]

I dont understand how third person offers that much of an advantage to bandits. Can someone explain?

 

Unfair advantage? Please, enlighten me. How exactly is using 3rd person mode exploiting? I can absolutely guarantee, that If 3rdPV would be taken away, that tons of people would leave this game. 

 

BOTH views should stay, because they're both useful in different situations.

 

 

Edited January 6, 2014 by serenityrick

[Guest]

First case is retarded, obviously the guy in front of the door can use 3rd person to scan the room before he comes in, without being seen as well. And the second one is a bad example as well, since rational people obviously don't take walks on the streets of big cities, and assume that there are snipers lurking on the balconies, terraces and in general high point sniper nests. It's a VERY low chance, that the guy could stand up, do a decent aim and actually shoot the person standing at the store, in that limited time window that he has.

 

Anything else?

[daze23 549]

First case is retarded, obviously the guy in front of the door can use 3rd person to scan the room before he comes in, without being seen as well. And the second one is a bad example as well, since rational people obviously don't take walks on the streets of big cities, and assume that there are snipers lurking on the balconies, terraces and in general high point sniper nests. It's a VERY low chance, that the guy could stand up, do a decent aim and actually shoot the person standing at the store, in that limited time window that he has.

 

Anything else?

it's an advantage in both situations

did you watch dslyecxi's video?

[Gandolaf 81]

Yet again, all you 3rdp defenders have is "I like it"/"it's nice"/"friendly to new people"

 

ALL of these aren't valid. 

 

What's valid is that 3RDP gives you unfair advantages, whereas 1STP does not, and if everyone used it, the game would be fair.

You saying first person only for everyone is just as valid,because thats simply how YOU like it.Go play on a first person only server,problem solved.Why do you even need to argue about it? It doesn't affect you in any way!

[Gandolaf 81]

 

Yet again, all you 3rdp defenders have is "I like it"/"it's nice"/"friendly to new people"

 

ALL of these aren't valid. 

 

What's valid is that 3RDP gives you unfair advantages, whereas 1STP does not, and if everyone used it, the game would be fair.

You saying first person only for everyone is just as invalid,because thats simply how YOU like it.Go play on a first person only server,problem solved.Why do you even need to argue about it? It doesn't affect you in any way!

Edited January 6, 2014 by Gandolaf

[Guest]

it's an advantage in both situations

did you watch dslyecxi's video?

 

I have now. It raises a few valid points, but what's critical in this case is the huge difference between the kind of a game Arma is, and the kind of game DayZ is SUPPOSED to be. It is NOT supposed to be a combat simulation. Obviously DayZ has tons of servers with the main focus on PVP, but on the other hand, it has tons of servers with purely role playing focus. Overall I don't think it's fair to shove 1st person mode down peoples throats, since not all of them are playing, or intending to play this game as a shooter, and ESPECIALLY since there is an option to disable it entirely.