Third person view removal from SA discussion

[Siberian (DayZ) 527]

Third person would be completely fine for vehicles only. It's unlikely someone will get in a vehicle then move said vehicle behind cover just to peek over corners.

 

For infantry however REMOVE it.

LOL i like how YOU decide when 3rd person is ok to use..

 

ego much Brah ????

 

 

 

seperate servers for FPV or TPV, problem solved..

 

 

NEXT ?

[Siberian (DayZ) 527]

I don't care if you get sick, I don't. That's an opinion.

Simple as that.

 

nice attitude..

 

you'll earn lots of respect here being like that...

 

NICE!!!

[daze23 549]

I think we should take ADS away from 3rd person :D

[doctorbadsign 645]

As the option is there for 3rd person, I don't think it is right that people should berate those who choose to play in that view as somehow cheating. Its a feature of the game at the moment, and thus people are free to do as they please.

 

I think the best option is separate servers. Sure you might not get as many players, but why not try to reason with people and show them why 1st person is better rather than accusing them of cheating and being poor players etc? Then you might win some people round. At the moment all these people getting irate and wanting 3rd person removed entirely and throwing around accusations of cheating are just making me want to use it to piss them off. 

[Brother Biscuit 4]

As the option is there for 3rd person, I don't think it is right that people should berate those who choose to play in that view as somehow cheating. Its a feature of the game at the moment, and thus people are free to do as they please.

 

I think the best option is separate servers. Sure you might not get as many players, but why not try to reason with people and show them why 1st person is better rather than accusing them of cheating and being poor players etc? Then you might win some people round. At the moment all these people getting irate and wanting 3rd person removed entirely and throwing around accusations of cheating are just making me want to use it to piss them off. 

 

Because DayZ is a survival simulator I think that using 3rd person view to look around corners and over objects is akin to playing Amnesia The Dark Descent with M4A1's modded in. That's a bit of an extreme comparison but it gets the point across. 

The reason I don't like separate servers is because (as I stated previously) there will be nearly no players in the first person servers. It's very hard to get people to come over to 1st person view because:

A:It takes away a crutch they've gotten used to over the course of several months.

B:People in general don't like change.

Edited December 23, 2013 by Brother Biscuit

[whatup2003 67]

Why having 1st-Person-View only server isn't the solution for the exploitative 3rd person view camera.

 

I have post this in another major thread discussing FPV and TPV, but no one seemed to have noticed and kept on saying separate the server etc., so I have to make a new thread.

 

So why having 1st-Person-View only server isn't the solution? Because a lot of people play with friends. Say if I want to play on FPV only servers and all my friends want to play FPV+TPV, or the other way around. What can I do?

 

-Find other friends?

-Play alone?

-Go with the majority and play with my friends?

 

Only the last option seems reasonable. So, I would like everyone to focus on how to make TPV less exploitable instead of believing that separating the servers is THE SOLUTION to limit TPV exploitation.

 

TL;DR: Having FPV only servers and FPV+TPV servers only separates player base/friends.

 

Personally, I think these two suggestions are the best for limit TPV exploitation in combat:

 

-Keep TPV camera closer to players so that they can't use it to look around corners and etc.

-Players can't attack in TPV mode, and switching from TPV to FPV mode will take longer.

Edited December 23, 2013 by realm13

[vrsick 11]

Make 1st person only servers. Problem solved. Why should people who are anti 3rd person dictate my enjoyment of the game? 1st person sucks, they should remove it. I don't like KOSing, remove it.

[Skinup69 24]

Jesus chris it's a game that was made for 3rd person.

Deal with it or go play:

COD

BF

CS1.6/ CSS/CSGO

ect ect

For people saying its cheating...how the FUCK can it be cheating when everyone is dealing with the same issues.

If DayZ decided to make it FPS only I would not care one bit! Why? Because everyone will have the same issues.

But these idiots that cry over it being 3rd person need to sort it out!

because..

Camping in first person view is so much easier (harder to spot people in First person view)

Flanking in First person is easier because the enemy's view is limited...which brings me back to my first point..camping/sniping.

Again DayZ is a survivor/zombie game.

If you can't deal with 3rd person view then your not that great at games..

I've been playing FPS online since 1996/7

Doom2 on 2 PCs linked up by a serial cable even before the Internet was out.

Duke Nukem 3D was the first game to put a 3rd person view in as a option I think...not sure though. But..

DayZ is the first 3rd person game I have played since then...and I'm fine, if u can't adapt then there's something wrong with u as a gamer.

Like I said DayZ is not a FPS.

[DarkwaveDomina 1099]

It's very hard to get people to come over to 1st person view because:

A:It takes away a crutch they've gotten used to over the course of several months.

B:People in general don't like change.

 

C: First person is a mess. You can take away my preferred view when the other is fixed.

 

We're not all relying on it as a crutch, or because we're stubborn. That's a cheap shot. I can take cheap shots too, I think you have pathetic standards if you're masochistic enough to enjoy the glitchy mess that first person is currently in.

[daze23 549]

I have post this in another major thread discussing FPV and TPV, but no one seemed to have noticed and kept on saying separate the server etc., so I have to make a new thread.

you shouldn't make a new thread just because you feel people aren't responding to what you said

[weparo 613]

I don't get it. What's wrong with having FPS-only-servers? You can always go to a TPV-server if you want to play with your friends.

Besides, what do you mean "isn't the solution". What's the problem? Some people like TPV, some FPV? So what, let them choose on what server they play on. "Problem" solved.

 

 

Weparo

[IcyZ 295]

Completely disagree

 

The servers will be:

-1st person only

-1st and 3d person

 

Seperate servers WILL be the solution, again, why force people to play the game the way YOU want?

Your friend wants 1st person and you want 3d? Go on a server that allows both, and play however you want, i dont understand where the problem is in that

Now, if you want to play on a server that EVERYONE uses 1st person, and your friend doesn't, it's your guys' issue, YOU should work out a solution, the devs already gave you all you need.

 

 

Having disadvantages on using 1st or 3d will not  help at all, it'll just ruin the game for many people

[whatup2003 67]

you shouldn't make a new thread just because you feel people aren't responding to what you said

 

Well this is a different topic than just "remove TPV from DayZ", so I think it's OK to start a new thread.

[mercules 1290]

Your friend wants 1st person and you want 3d? Go on a server that allows both, and play however you want, i dont understand where the problem is in that

 

By "allowing" 3rd you are basically forcing 3rd. 3rd has so many advantages in combat on 1st that if you are on a server that allows 3rd you basically HAVE to use it. Ergo, it isn't optional. Heck it even gives you advantages sneaking around and against Zombies since you can see them around a corner and they can't see you. 

[desryachri 95]

Solution to what? I don't get the hate on third person servers :s

Just make footsteps louder, play on third or first no one cares.

Edited December 23, 2013 by Desryachri

[El_Hadschi 15]

This is so stupid. Separating the servers is the way to go.
 

 

 

-Find other friends?

-Play alone?

-Go with the majority and play with my friends?

 

 

You already have an (three) answer(s) for your problem. Why make another post.

 

 

Completely disagree

 

The servers will be:

-1st person only

-1st and 3d person

 

Seperate servers WILL be the solution, again, why force people to play the game the way YOU want?

Your friend wants 1st person and you want 3d? Go on a server that allows both, and play however you want, i dont understand where the problem is in that

Now, if you want to play on a server that EVERYONE uses 1st person, and your friend doesn't, it's your guys' issue, YOU should work out a solution, the devs already gave you all you need.

 

 

Having disadvantages on using 1st or 3d will not  help at all, it'll just ruin the game for many people

 

 

Oh and this.

[daze23 549]

I mean, is this issue with "friends" not agreeing on something limited to this game?

[IcyZ 295]

By "allowing" 3rd you are basically forcing 3rd. 3rd has so many advantages in combat on 1st that if you are on a server that allows 3rd you basically HAVE to use it. Ergo, it isn't optional. Heck it even gives you advantages sneaking around and against Zombies since you can see them around a corner and they can't see you. 

 

You're not forcing anyone if they can choose between 2 things. Now, if they use 3d while they want 1st, it's their own issue, they got no reason to whine since it's THEIR choice

It has advantages? Nope, since on a 3d person server EVERYONE can use 3d person,  and again people that join a TPS and use 1st, shouldn't whine since they could join a 1st person only server

 

We end up on the same thing again, seperate servers being the solution to the "problem"

[NagsterTheGangster 388]

Man yall are rippin on this kid for nothing, he's thinking outside the box when everyone has basically come to the conclusion that dedicated servers are the answer. Now I happen to think that IS the solution personally but at least he isn't closing the subject because one good idea was thrown out there.

[whatup2003 67]

I don't get it. What's wrong with having FPS-only-servers? You can always go to a TPV-server if you want to play with your friends.

Besides, what do you mean "isn't the solution". What's the problem? Some people like TPV, some FPV? So what, let them choose on what server they play on. "Problem" solved.

 

 

Weparo

 

What I'm saying is that having FPV-only servers isn't the solution for limiting TPV exploitation. Settings like this should be kept uniform across all servers or it separates the player base.

 

 

 

Completely disagree

 

The servers will be:

-1st person only

-1st and 3d person

 

Seperate servers WILL be the solution, again, why force people to play the game the way YOU want?

Your friend wants 1st person and you want 3d? Go on a server that allows both, and play however you want, i dont understand where the problem is in that

Now, if you want to play on a server that EVERYONE uses 1st person, and your friend doesn't, it's your guys' issue, YOU should work out a solution, the devs already gave you all you need.

 

 

Having disadvantages on using 1st or 3d will not  help at all, it'll just ruin the game for many people

 

 

No one is forcing anyone to play the game in a certain way, but a lot of people feel that TPV is way too exploitative, and separating servers isn't a real solution, but making TPV less exploitative is. That's all I'm saying. The scenario of me and my friends wanting different "modes" is just a hypothesis. It basically describes how a lot of people just can't choose a type of server they want to play in due to friend relation and etc.

[jamieledgeway@hotmail.co.uk 216]

And your standards must be even lower to enjoy looking over walls and periscoping off the top of buildings and around every corner of every building.

 

Thing is your problems with 1st person are based on opinion.

And our problems with 3rd person are based on fact.

Edited December 23, 2013 by thehet

[desryachri 95]

Man yall are rippin on this kid for nothing, he's thinking outside the box when everyone has basically come to the conclusion that dedicated servers are the answer. Now I happen to think that IS the solution personally but at least he isn't closing the subject because one good idea was thrown out there.

Oh hell no private hives fucked the mod up!

[deebz1234 243]

its a fucking game, leave the camera alone. if everyone can exploit, then so be it.

give a few servers for the FPV whiners and leave the rest of us alone, its fine as is

[weparo 613]

And separating servers isn't a real solution.

 

Why not? I want first person only. And I'll play on FPV-only-servers. Feel free to stay on the TPV servers if you can't handle FPV.

 

 

its a fucking game, leave the camera alone. if everyone can exploit, then so be it.

give a few servers for the FPV whiners and leave the rest of us alone, its fine as is

 

Thank you, because that's all I want. Just a couple of FPV-servers for me and my friends to play on. Why is that so hard to accept for some?

Edited December 23, 2013 by Weparo

[Jamz 253]

Another one here for splitting the servers to locked first or third person. It makes the most sense to me and I don't see any drawbacks to it really, everyone will be happy perhaps? After that 100+ page FPV vs TPV 'discussion' thread months ago, I see no way of coming to a mutual agreement about TPV's removal or not...