Charging people money to help you "make" a game....

[lazy2guns 38]

http://i1265.photobucket.com/albums/jj513/Diddums84/dayz_zps16910308.png 

 

Should've gone to specsavers.

I'm sorry, I can't seem to find this WARNING you're talking about. When I click BUY NOW it doesn't take me to steam.

Edited December 17, 2013 by lazy2guns

[xX_fr0st-w0lf_Xx (DayZ) 343]

Well, that's kind of beside the point when the infamous "WARNING: IT DOESN'T WORK" is no where to be found on the front page.

 

Are you crippled? 

[brzator47@gmail.com 524]

Well, that's kind of beside the point when the infamous "WARNING: IT DOESN'T WORK" is no where to be found on the front page.

It says "early access" right next to "buy ti now". And the link takes you to a page that says this in caps:

 

 

THIS GAME IS EARLY ACCESS ALPHA. PLEASE DO NOT PURCHASE IT UNLESS YOU WANT TO ACTIVELY SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT OF THE GAME AND ARE PREPARED TO HANDLE WITH SERIOUS ISSUES AND POSSIBLE INTERRUPTIONS OF GAME FUNCTIONING.

If that's not enough of a warning, I don't know what is.

[mercules 1290]

It says "early access" right next to "buy ti now". And the link takes you to a page that says this in caps:

 

 

If that's not enough of a warning, I don't know what is.

 

See... I thought just titling it "ALPHA" was warning enough that there would be game breaking bugs... but... you know.  <_<

[lazy2guns 38]

So wait, what was the point of the trailer, then?

[diddums 3760]

Oh for fuck sakes... are you actually that stupid, or is this just a rubbish attempt at trolling?

[mercules 1290]

Oh for fuck sakes... are you actually that stupid, or is this just a rubbish attempt at trolling?

 

All you need to do is look at his forum name. It is a stab at Rocket2Guns and so is most likely an account started just to troll until it gets banned. 

[lazy2guns 38]

2777 posts

Why is it that the only people defending the game are people who have been lurking on these forums for years?

[mercules 1290]

Why is it that the only people defending the game are people who have been lurking on these forums for years?

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic

[piffaroni 13]

All you need to do is look at his forum name. It is a stab at Rocket2Guns and so is most likely an account started just to troll until it gets banned. 

So wait, anyone who has any thing negative to say is a troll.

 

and of course, the answer to all bugs is, "its just an alpha"

[diddums 3760]

Why is it that the only people defending the game are people who have been lurking on these forums for years?

 

Why is it that those who whinge and whine are all new members?

 

 

So wait, anyone who has any thing negative to say is a troll.

 

and of course, the answer to all bugs is, "its just an alpha"

 

 

Nope. Negative feedback is appreciated. This isn't feedback. This is whinging and whining about something that is pretty much irrelevant.

 

And: isn't it an Alpha then?

[mercules 1290]

So wait, anyone who has any thing negative to say is a troll.

 

and of course, the answer to all bugs is, "its just an alpha"

Actually no, a lot of MY answers today have been, "It's a known bug." and "Yes the developers have already stated they intend to change that." The, "It's an Alpha." is reminder that things are not perfect and you need to account for that before complaining. Premising things with, "I realize it is an Alpha but I feel the need to complain about something that has already been stated 10 times on the forum and the devs have even stated is going to be changed eventually but wasn't yesterday when I played so I feel I need to mention it again." doesn't change the fact that it is an alpha and things won't work like you expect them to. 

[phoboss 224]

HOW DARE THEY TAKE MONEY FOR AN ALPHER!?!! 

Ok kids, listen up, cause I'm about to drop some knowledge on your whiny asses.

 

As of this writing, there are three common ways of how to fund and develop a game.

 

There are studios and publishers that have a 100.000.000$ to make a game. They make the same game over and over again, slap some shiny new glare effect on their graphics engine, and then sell it to you for 60$. And you love them for it. You love them so much, that you buy that same game every year and are even happier when they recycle some old maps from the last game  into a new 15$ DLC. They have a certain budget calculated by some finance exec who knows nothing about making games. And once the expenses reache a certain point, they push the game out, because the investors want to see some profit. They don't care if the game's not ready, all they care about is m o n e y. So the game gets a "gold status" label slapped onto it and of it goes into the hands of your mommy and daddy who buy it for you. The problem is, the game isn't really ready. But no worries, there will be a "day one patch" ready by the time you have it under your Christmas tree. The other Problem is, that patch isn't going to even come close to fixing all the bugs that rushed out version of a game has... So it takes weeks, sometimes even months, to fix all those bugs you have in that so called "final" game, your mommy and daddy bought for you. But the real problem is, they didn't tell you this when you wrote that game on your wishlist. They said, the game is ready and it's the best thing you ever played. And you believed them. 

 

This is how it works/worked in 90% of the time in the last 10 years or so. 

 

But for a couple of years now, there's been another option called crowd funding. Which kinda works like this.

You have some cash laying around, either your own, or from somebody who won't miss it that much, and you have a really great idea. The problem is, the money you have wont be enough to complete the development of your game. So you start developing something with the cash that you have and then you show it to the public and say "Hey so listen, I have this great idea, here you can see some concept drawings and maybe an early screenshot of what the game MIGHT look like someday. Why don't you donate some money, I promise I'll only use it to make my idea into a really great game, that you will love more than anything else, and once its finished you'll get to play it"

Problem is, until you can actually see or even play the game yourself, it's going to take months or more likely years. So you have to cough up that cash in good faith and hope for the best. And besides the obvious possibility that the game never comes out, or it might totally suck, there is also a very big chance, that all those bugs a 100.000.000$ game has when it comes out, the crowd funded one will have as well.

 

And now, the third option, now read carefully, cause this is the important part. The third option kinda starts of the same way crowd funding does. Maybe you have a little bit more money, but you also have a great idea. You start to develop that idea into a somewhat playable version of a game. But you want your fans to be able to play the game now, and give feedback to the actual game, not just some idea of a game. So what you do is, you get an alpha build of your game ready, and you sell it as an early access alpha. Which means, there is going to be a shitload, and I mean a GIANT shitload of bugs, but your honest and tell your fans this, and explain what will work and what won't and how you want them to be an active part of your development. For the player, the big advantage of this third option is, you can actually see some real footage of the game. You can watch stream and videos of other people playing the game, and then can make a decision if you want to buy the alpha or if you'd rather wait a while until everything is more stable and polished.

 

So now you tell me, which way you prefer?

 

 

BUT THE MOD WAS/IS MORE STABLE THAN THE STANDALONE!!!!
 

Saying something like that only proves one thing. Your inability to understand even the simplest terms regarding game development. Which raised the question, why you bought the alpha in the first place?!

 

They rewrote half the engine, they made it into a real server/client architecture. They redid the whole inventory, they implemented an object based crafting system. Yes the mod (and all of its versions, epoch, origins, etc...) had some of this as well, but they achieved this through scripting. The problem with scripting was that anybody could inject a script into the server, making cheating/hacking a as easy as stealing ice cream from a 3 year old.

And on top of all the things that they already implemented, because of this giant engine rewrite, it's going to be much easier to implement stuff like player created construction (houses or bases), new and better zombies etc etc. 

 

 

 

BUT BUT BUT BUT...

 

No buts! This past year Rocket has made it very clear, probably clearer than any other development studio before, what is going on with the game, at which state it is, and what you can expect if you buy the early access alpha. You either didn't listen, didn't care OR didn't understand. None of which is his, or BI's fault. 

Edited December 17, 2013 by phoboss

[diddums 3760]

That's a long post for a graveyard thread.

 

 

I agree 100% with what you say, but it's pretty much pointless. People whinge about everything. 

[mercules 1290]

Thank you. I'm trying to find my old post illustrating the different between DayZ Mod, something like BP ARMA III mod, and DayZ SA. I might have to remake it tomorrow. 

[phoboss 224]

That's a long post for a graveyard thread.

 

That maybe so, but I just had to get it of my chest. I was grinding my teeth all day. And I feel better now :D

[kichilron 8550]

 

HOW DARE THEY TAKE MONEY FOR AN ALPHER!?!! 

 

BUT THE MOD WAS/IS MORE STABLE THAN THE STANDALONE!!!!

 

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/154473-charging-people-money-to-help-you-make-a-game/

 

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/154360-ok-i-get-it-its-alpha-but-this-is-worse-than-the-mod/

[OfficerRaymond 2064]

Idiots will be idiots, illiterates will be illiterate. I knew from the first second that too many people were gonna buy the SA and complain about it. Why? Because there are dumb people in the world that lack comprehension skills.

[exomonkeyman 103]

 

HOW DARE THEY TAKE MONEY FOR AN ALPHER!?!! 

They did not take your money... you kinda gave it to them. It did say it's alpha.

[Weedz 1105]

BUT BUT BUT BUT...

 

No buts! This past year Rocket has made it very clear, probably clearer than any other development studio before, what is going on with the game, at which state it is, and what you can expect if you buy the early access alpha. You either didn't listen, didn't care OR didn't understand. None of which is his, or BI's fault. 

 

 

Rocket also said he would never make a game that you couldn't try before buying or he would quit the industry and that the standalone would only be 10-15$ at full release. They shouldn't be charging anything yet never mind double the price that they've been talking about the whole time especially considering they've already made their big money off DayZ Mod by it bringing their crappy military simulator from 10,000 sales before DayZ to over 2 million sales for Arma 2 exclusively from the mod.

 

The reason it costs anything at all is because Rocket doesn't actually control anything anymore. They've already made tens of millions off the work of basically 1 person now they're just trying to squeeze everything they can out. Welcome to video games in the twenty-first century.

 

Your options are nice and all but after the 50-100 million USD they've made just from the mod they fall under option 1 not 2 or 3. You think Rocket wanted to release the game in the state it's in?

Edited December 17, 2013 by Weedz

[phoboss 224]

They did not take your money... you kinda gave it to them. It did say it's alpha.

And you should take the time to read more than the first sentence ;)

[UbiquitousBadGuy 846]

funny any negative comments about the game here get deleted

Only hidden posts I see in this thread is a double post and one where the moderator deleted his own post. Negative posts aren't deleted, harassing, nonconstructive, obscene, etc posts are.

 

In fact, says a lot about our collective patience at the moment for this thread still to be open. Now I'm not the only one with jurisdiction in this thread but I'm content to leave it open and allow you guys to vent as long as things are kept a notch below "fucking crazy".

[m.w. vindicator 880]

If you don't like the practice.  Don't buy it!  Vote with you wallet instead of clogging the forums with repeat threads! <_<

[Scrullet 13]

There will always be ignorant people on the internet. Especially on PC.

[piffaroni 13]

Idiots will be idiots, illiterates will be illiterate. I knew from the first second that too many people were gonna buy the SA and complain about it. Why? Because there are dumb people in the world that lack comprehension skills.

its called a BAD BUSINESS move to sell an alpha game.

 

after the games been in alpha for 2 years, on the same Bohemia company.

 

what the hell were they doing for 2 years, this  new release should have been a MAJOR step forward...not backwards