Charging people money to help you "make" a game....

[Bubbajones 238]

whining about shit everyone with common sense already knew and knows is not criticism and it is certainly not constructive.

[kragz 156]

When done in a constructive manner, yes it is. However there is a lot of, "It's broken!" posts about things Dean has already mentioned in various streams up to the release that "This is broken and we intend to fix this but not right away." They know... bug report so they have some idea of how many times it is happening and move on. So maybe not start yet another thread about it? Search function? Checking for other similar threads?

There seems to lie the core of the problem. People have an emotional investment in this game and for some reason can't bear it being criticized, it seems to upset the very core of their being to the point where they become dismissive and abusive. Terrible community! THIS is the reason why new threads are appearing, nobody is discussing the issue and just saying "go play warz" or "learn to read".

[Ozelot (DayZ) 394]

When done in a constructive manner, yes it is. However there is a lot of, "It's broken!" posts about things Dean has already mentioned in various streams up to the release that "This is broken and we intend to fix this but not right away." They know... bug report so they have some idea of how many times it is happening and move on. So maybe not start yet another thread about it? Search function? Checking for other similar threads?

The more people complain about a particular problem, the faster it gets FIXED.

 

Stop whinging becauase people use their right to free speech.

[Max Planck 7174]

The more people complain about a particular problem, the faster it gets FIXED.

 

Stop whinging becauase people use their right to free speech.

 

The devs read the bug tracker a lot more than the forum.

[OrLoK 16182]

Hello there

 

I beg to differ.

 

Folk are posting here without reading any of the rules or various stickies or using our search engine.

 

If you frequented this community youll see there are many fans who are quite openly critical.

 

Constructive criticism we adore, pointless griping we dont.

 

Yes, sometimes the community does get fed up and its easy to just shout "alpha!" at someone, but the reason is that many newcomers just post without obeying any form of netiquette.

 

Rgds

 

LoK

Edited December 17, 2013 by orlok

[mercules 1290]

There seems to lie the core of the problem. People have an emotional investment in this game and for some reason can't bear it being criticized, it seems to upset the very core of their being to the point where they become dismissive and abusive. Terrible community! THIS is the reason why new threads are appearing, nobody is discussing the issue and just saying "go play warz" or "learn to read".

Because you are repeating the exact same things that have already been acknowledged as an issue by the dev team or they are complaining about something that was purposefully put into the game to make it difficult and different. So yes we get flippant. 

"I can't drink water out of a fountain." Yup... was acknowledged in a recent stream from less than a week ago as something broken AND there is a fix in the next patch already.

"Food and drink message are confusing!" Yup... Rocket stated those needed to go in that recent stream and there are some fixes in the next patch already.

"This game has been out a day and it isn't everything I want in a game!" Yup... cause you didn't read that this was going to be a very limited early release ALPHA with tons of very game breaking bugs even though they told you three times before you ever logged into it. 

[t1337dude 101]

Really?  This is almost unbelievable.  Most companies don't charge people for helping them Beta test... let alone paying money for what standalone currently is.  I really don't see a justification for this other than cashing in on the title now.  Maybe a game developer can come shed light on what the reasoning behind this is as at this point it makes little sense other than abject greed.

Let's see...

 

Fund the game by fans who care about the game and the final result of the project

or

 

Fund the game by a publisher who wants to make money at the expense of everyone else

 

 

GEE, I wonder what option is better? Lol...

 

I can't even believe people are complaining about it. Are people that dense?

Edited December 17, 2013 by t1337Dude

[mercules 1290]

The more people complain about a particular problem, the faster it gets FIXED.

 

Stop whinging becauase people use their right to free speech.

 

Actually, you have no "Right to Free Speech". Private forum and they can censor it in any manner they want. 

Also, there is no correlation between multiple people starting multiple worthless threads with poor feedback  and a bug getting fixed. Now if they are actually using the bug reporting, that is a different story. I am certain all of you posting feedback have used the bug report system... right? Or do I need to point to the threads where people have stated they couldn't be arsed to figure out the bug report so are just posting here and doing so with a duplicate of an existing thread because they were too lazy to even see if one already existed?

[Waysider 14]

Really?  This is almost unbelievable.  Most companies don't charge people for helping them Beta test... let alone paying money for what standalone currently is.  I really don't see a justification for this other than cashing in on the title now.  Maybe a game developer can come shed light on what the reasoning behind this is as at this point it makes little sense other than abject greed.

 

 

Developers know that there are some people out there who share a vision and have faith in the dev team to deliver; people who are eager to help in any way they can. Money is often the easiest way to assist, and offering an early alpha for money is the obvious choice to give those people a path to be involved in the development in a tangible way while fueling the development of the game - which, you might be shocked to learn, costs money. That money has to come from investors of one sort or another. We're fortunate enough to live in an age wherein we the gamers can choose to BE those investors, and cut out the middle man in the process. Middlemen who often push their own agendas to the detriment of the end-product. 

 

Apart from the money, paid alpha access also has the benefit of filtering the initial testers of the game down to those who are literally invested in making the game a success. You tend to get much more valuable, productive feedback from that group. If that doesn't make sense to you, don't stress over it. It just means you're not part of that group. If the game, the company, or the idea isn't compelling enough to make early investment appealing to you, by all means - do NOT spend your money on the alpha. Wait for the finished product, THEN decide if its worth your money.

Edited December 17, 2013 by Waysider

[JPWiser 251]

People can still vent their frustrations.  Again if we werent told to wait wait wait for the release cause they want it to be happy with its state, then release it for 30$ a pop, and withn minutes of playing you find things that are blatent issues, its frustrating to a lot of people that were looking forward to helping with specific game detailed bug issues.  Not issues like "I have to drink water 10 times from an unlimited water source only to be thirsty again after 60 seconds of doing nothing, only to be knocked unconcious for 30+ minutes"

 

Come on guys we needed a public paid alpha to report that stuff?

 

Either way Im happy it is actually out.

 

I was extremely skeptical going in and glad I was, considering how dissapointed I am in the issues that I am sure the dev team knew about before release, and only the urgency shown in patching the bugs and blatent issues will cure that dissapointing first impression.

 

I will continue to use the feedback page in hopes that a speedy recovery of the games state will take place.

[Bubbajones 238]

People can still vent their frustrations.  Again if we werent told to wait wait wait for the release cause they want it to be happy with its state, then release it for 30$ a pop, and withn minutes of playing you find things that are blatent issues, its frustrating to a lot of people that were looking forward to helping with specific game detailed bug issues. 

 

 

 

and you could have waited 24 hours before committing to buying it and read some reviews, but ... you didn't...dur dur

Edited December 17, 2013 by Bubbajones

[alaskafish (DayZ) 26]

Think of it from Rocket's perspective. 

 

Look at all this hype from the last three years? Let's just give them the Alpher for free to help me make the game better! Oh, wait, that hype is 95% of the player base, and would get their hands on it, and not pay. Better, cash in on the cash moneys, because sales will just drop after the players from the DayZmod get the DayZ:SA.

 

Even if Rocket put a price after he let everyone play the game for free

 

After everyone played it for free, I was able to put it on the market for $29.99. Perfect. Oh, wait, 50% of the 95% of the player base left because they thought it was boring, too hard, lame, had enough of DayZ, impulse bought it, ect, since they already tried it. Oh well, looks like our profit would of been higher if we sold it at first. I guess we have no money to make the game better, and probably fail at regaining our hype back. 

 

I mean com'on! Three years of hype (And they were even losing it), and you think they should kill the hype, lose sales, so you don't have to pay for it. I always get pissed when people think that "indie games" or games that have a good community should be cheaper (In this case free) for people. I don't think you would be asking for CoD for free, or some triple A game. BF4 beta was so limited, you had non of the features. DayZ:SA as of now as too many features to go for free. 

[Max Planck 7174]

I was extremely skeptical going in and glad I was, considering how dissapointed I am in the issues that I am sure the dev team knew about before release, and only the urgency shown in patching the bugs and blatent issues will cure that dissapointing first impression.

 

They knew before release, and they told you before release. In many ways, with caps even. What else could they do?

 

Please explain how you would have liked the launch to happen.

Edited December 17, 2013 by Max Planck

[mercules 1290]

People can still vent their frustrations.  Again if we werent told to wait wait wait for the release cause they want it to be happy with its state, then release it for 30$ a pop, and withn minutes of playing you find things that are blatent issues, its frustrating to a lot of people that were looking forward to helping with specific game detailed bug issues.  Not issues like "I have to drink water 10 times from an unlimited water source only to be thirsty again after 60 seconds of doing nothing, only to be knocked unconcious for 30+ minutes"

 

You were also told several times in buying and playing the Alpha that there would be things that are broken and that you would not like. In addition those things you mentioned, there was a stream just last week that encountered all of those and Rocket stated, "This is something we have to fix but it won't be holding up the Alpha." So if you had bothered to check before buying a ticket to the hypetrain.... you would have maybe slowed down and not bought into it... yet.

[Hosty 647]

That is not how basic math works.

 

Yes it is

your brain just not functioning right

[JPWiser 251]

and you could have waited 24 hours before committing to buying it and read some reviews, but ... you didn't...dur dur

 

I guess I should have no faith in what Dean stated multiple times over the last year, youre right.

 

I should never assume anything, yet when I see it priced at $30 and finally after waiting a year I got excited and wanted to buy and try it. 

 

Is being slightly dissapointed with the first impression of what you were told over the last year to what actually got released not somewhat justifyed?

 

What an ignorant comment....

[t1337dude 101]

Think of it from Rocket's perspective. 

 

Look at all this hype from the last three years? Let's just give them the Alpher for free to help me make the game better! Oh, wait, that hype is 95% of the player base, and would get their hands on it, and not pay. Better, cash in on the cash moneys, because sales will just drop after the players from the DayZmod get the DayZ:SA.

 

Even if Rocket put a price after he let everyone play the game for free

 

After everyone played it for free, I was able to put it on the market for $29.99. Perfect. Oh, wait, 50% of the 95% of the player base left because they thought it was boring, too hard, lame, had enough of DayZ, impulse bought it, ect, since they already tried it. Oh well, looks like our profit would of been higher if we sold it at first. I guess we have no money to make the game better, and probably fail at regaining our hype back. 

 

I mean com'on! Three years of hype (And they were even losing it), and you think they should kill the hype, lose sales, so you don't have to pay for it. I always get pissed when people think that "indie games" or games that have a good community should be cheaper (In this case free) for people. I don't think you would be asking for CoD for free, or some triple A game. BF4 beta was so limited, you had non of the features. DayZ:SA as of now as too many features to go for free. 

 

It's really just about Rocket trying to make the best game he can make. Giving it away for free in Alpha doesn't let him do that, does it? They obviously need money to make the game. But they don't need money badly enough that they'll go to a publisher and compromise the quality of the game. It's not that complicated why Rocket chose to do what he did - it's obviously the smartest choice to make (and the one he had to make).

[Max Planck 7174]

Let's keep this insult free please, we are better than this.

 

Goes for everyone, of course.

[Bubbajones 238]

I guess I should have no faith in what Dean stated multiple times over the last year, youre right.

 

I should never assume anything, yet when I see it priced at $30 and finally after waiting a year I got excited and wanted to buy and try it. 

 

Is being slightly dissapointed with the first impression of what you were told over the last year to what actually got released not somewhat justifyed?

 

What an ignorant comment....

 

what did Dean say that gave you the impression the alpha would beflawless?

 

no, you should never assume anything.

 

and again, what were you personally told to make things different from reality?

 

my comments are anything but ignorant.  

 

The posts you and your fellow whiners make are the result of ignorance.

 

i am just pointing that ignorance out.

Edited December 17, 2013 by Bubbajones

[mercules 1290]

I guess I should have no faith in what Dean stated multiple times over the last year, youre right.

 

I should never assume anything, yet when I see it priced at $30 and finally after waiting a year I got excited and wanted to buy and try it. 

 

Is being slightly dissapointed with the first impression of what you were told over the last year to what actually got released not somewhat justifyed?

 

What an ignorant comment....

 

Unfortunately the ignorance is what is causing your disappointment. You did not educate yourself on what the state of the Alpha would be or what you were buying into when you spent that $30. Because of that you did not get the experience you wanted but you got the one you should have expected, if you had checked things out.

[Maxgor 2314]

I guess I should have no faith in what Dean stated multiple times over the last year, youre right.

 

I should never assume anything, yet when I see it priced at $30 and finally after waiting a year I got excited and wanted to buy and try it. 

 

Is being slightly dissapointed with the first impression of what you were told over the last year to what actually got released not somewhat justifyed?

 

What an ignorant comment....

 

It isn't justified when Dean has said countless times that the alpha will be very broken and buggy and to not play it if your were expecting a playable game.  It warns you multiple times on its page what the state of the game is.  Your excitement doesn't trump any of that at all.  You're fine to have a first impression that "this is broken and buggy", but again, that's what has been said multiple times by the developer himself and warns you twice on Steam before even buying the game.

 

I'm obviously very excited to play the standalone, I have since it was announced, but I didn't buy the game right now, cause I knew it was gonna be in a completely terrible state right now (Really, probably just launch issues alone outside of the Alpha status could be going wrong as it tends to be with online only games) and it warned me that it was going to be like that, so I'm choosing to not play it till it gets to at least beta.

Edited December 17, 2013 by Maxgor

[victusmortuus 1074]

I'm happy to pay Rocket whatever he wants to play this great game.

[JPWiser 251]

what did Dean say that gave you the impression the alpha would beflawless?

 

no, you should never assume anything.

 

and again, what were you personally told to make things different from reality?

 

my comments are anything but ignorant.  

 

The posts you and your fellow whiners make are the result of ignorance.

 

i am just pointing that ignorance out.

 

Clearly when you use a word to describe my post like "flawless" you area being the ignorant one.

 

I never once used that word.

 

In fact me and all the other whiners use words such as "we expected an unfinished game, we expected bugs and glitches" however some of the issues at hand that clearly dont need a paid public alpha to resolve are the problem.

 

I was told indirectly through interviews with Dean that they are waiting to release until they are happy with the games state.

 

I guess our views of a happy game state where people can focus on bugs and glitches vs just being able to play the game for an hour without being put on a black screen for a half hour+ and making no progress on actually debugging the game are very different.

[JPWiser 251]

Unfortunately the ignorance is what is causing your disappointment. You did not educate yourself on what the state of the Alpha would be or what you were buying into when you spent that $30. Because of that you did not get the experience you wanted but you got the one you should have expected, if you had checked things out.

 

Again, youre right.  I should have checked on the state of the Alpha after the release instead of jumping on board right away.  I went purely on the information I was given in the months leading up to the release which definitely in my opinion do not coincide.

 

My bad.

 

Still doesnt change the dissapointing first impression of what they have been working on over the past 6-12 months.

[mercules 1290]

I was told indirectly through interviews with Dean that they are waiting to release until they are happy with the games state.

 

I guess our views of a happy game state where people can focus on bugs and glitches vs just being able to play the game for an hour without being put on a black screen for a half hour+ and making no progress on actually debugging the game are very different.

 

You need to go watch the streams from a few weeks ago. 

Bugs they had encountered and wanted to solve so they could release. 

Moving things in the inventory and having them vanish because the server FPS was far too low, as well as dying for no apparent reason because you were desynced same cause.

Logging into the game and finding a doppleganger of yourself standing in front of you. Both evatars responded to button presses but in opposite ways and you were not in control of the one that had your inventory although you could kill yourself and it would take affect. Imagine if it happened on a roof and you walked your double off the roof? 

There are still tons of bugs but they hammered some very major ones out before they released you just don't realize how BAD it was. Even so people were playing the version before the alpha release and enjoying the game. I am plying with the bugs and enjoying the game. If you did not want to deal with this leve of bugs then you should have not bought the game. If you were not sure what it was going to be like you should have waited until you could look around and find out. 

 

You. 

You.

You could have prevented your dissapointment and the Devs did everything they could to tell you to not buy the game if you weren't sure short of slapping you in the face and saying, "Do you still want to buy the game?"