Standalone: Foreign Weaponry

[Chaingunfighter 917]

I guess I should be used to the "Why can't I have a mini gun / rail gun / Gold Deagle?" threads by now, but they really annoy me as seeing any of those weapons in the SA would ruin any immersion for me.

 

You do indeed still need a defence under the VCRA to purchase RIFs.

No one's asking for those. I don't see how having a Steyr AUG or M14 is really 'ruining the immersion' as long as they are appropriately rare.

[AP_Norris 1018]

And quite honestly I avoid AK's due to their recoil. I find the M4 currently is just the all around better weapon and the ammo isn't hard to find.

I always go for the AKM for its 1 hit kill ability on zombies.

It,s pretty damn devastating even on semi auto.

[enforcer1975 1111]

No one's asking for those. I don't see how having a Steyr AUG or M14 is really 'ruining the immersion' as long as they are appropriately rare.

 

As far as i see you are always pick at "why shouldn't it be there" when is already been clear that the ratio western weapons - eastern weapons is the issue here. Momentarily we have a +++++ ratio in western guns. Even on the server i am playing on ( Sahrani ) i have a lot of western rifles compared to eastern ones. Although i must admit that western weapons are more common in Sahrani than in Chernarus because in "Sahrani history" the US was officially there but still immersion breaking if a majorityof the weapons you find in the communistic part ( the north ) are western weapons.

[Frytek 130]

Someone said the eastern weapons have no variety. Play ACE and put a box of russian weapons. You have a shittone of different systems that are maybe not that common, but exist. And cut the bullshit with westernization. We are stuffed by crap murica doesnt need or is too old. M 4 only in anti terrorist or special forces.

So, you know Russian weapon systems arent that boring! And as we aim for authencity not realism, we could have some GROZA's around.

Aaand maybe slight, just little little Beryl spawning on the heli crash?

[terminal_boy 860]

No one's asking for those. I don't see how having a Steyr AUG or M14 is really 'ruining the immersion' as long as they are appropriately rare.

 

Because there's no reasonable scenario that would lead to an AUG or a wooden stocked M14 being in Chernarus.

[enforcer1975 1111]

No one's asking for those. I don't see how having a Steyr AUG or M14 is really 'ruining the immersion' as long as they are appropriately rare.

 

 

 

Because there's no reasonable scenario that would lead to an AUG or a wooden stocked M14 being in Chernarus.

And it also lacks an explanation why western countries would send helicopters on a maybe 1000km trip with multiple stops to refuel and restock supplies ( lets assume Chernarus is on the far east border of Russia because it's where all their unimportant countries are so the distance would probably be even more than that ) to scout the situation where a satelite or high flying spy plane would do the job 10x better? And why the hell would they actually be interested in risking their men for this information? How did they travel there without beeing forced to land by the other countries, you know countries are highly allergic to intruders? Lot's of unknowns to justify even a small amountwestern weapons.

[khaenz 93]

 

Because there's no reasonable scenario that would lead to an AUG or a wooden stocked M14 being in Chernarus.

And it also lacks an explanation why western countries would send helicopters on a maybe 1000km trip with multiple stops to refuel and restock supplies ( lets assume Chernarus is on the far east border of Russia because it's where all their unimportant countries are so the distance would probably be even more than that ) to scout the situation where a satelite or high flying spy plane would do the job 10x better? And why the hell would they actually be interested in risking their men for this information? How did they travel there without beeing forced to land by the other countries, you know countries are highly allergic to intruders? Lot's of unknowns to justify even a small amountwestern weapons.

Ok, the helicopter crews are there to clean things up and gather more information about survivors. All countries that do have helis crashing have a base outside of South Zagoria, perhaps in Takistan or in western Chernarus. So, basically the helis always come from the west, from either Takistan, Novigrad or other parts of Chernarus, into South Zagoria, where the infection has spread itself very rapidly and the place is overrun.

[Nuubio 61]

A thing I'd like to see in the standalone would be changing those stupid Enfields to Mosin-Nagants. They manufactured millions of those in the USSR and I'm sure WW2 vets kept theirs. Russian hardware should be found in buildings and foreign stuff in crashes etc. This of course has been suggested a hundred times already.

Edited October 30, 2013 by Nuubio

[NagsterTheGangster 388]

yeahhh, foreign weapons...but no fucking noobtubes.. lol

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Because there's no reasonable scenario that would lead to an AUG or a wooden stocked M14 being in Chernarus.

What about a civilian Springfield M-1A rifle? Essentially the same thing, just manufactured for non-military customers. I guess I can agree on the AUG.

However, you could just say that Chernarus utilized the AUG in their military.

It is a fictional scenario and I honestly think that the people on this forum are thinking about it a little too much. Just a little.

 

(Realism and authenticity are important, but it sometimes it gets to a point where it gets obnoxious and people begin worrying about unimportant issues.)

[AP_Norris 1018]

What about a civilian Springfield M-1A rifle? Essentially the same thing, just manufactured for non-military customers. I guess I can agree on the AUG.

However, you could just say that Chernarus utilized the AUG in their military.

It is a fictional scenario and I honestly think that the people on this forum are thinking about it a little too much. Just a little.

 

(Realism and authenticity are important, but it sometimes it gets to a point where it gets obnoxious and people begin worrying about unimportant issues.)

I suppose so, the world dun just got flipped upside down and people shan't have time to worry about how a styer ended up in this car they just found.

Just grab it and run.

We shouldn't dictate what can and can't be in, just the loot tables IMO.

[-Gews- 7443]

What about a civilian Springfield M-1A rifle? Essentially the same thing, just manufactured for non-military customers. I guess I can agree on the AUG.

The semi-auto Springfields (and Norincos up here) are a fairly popular firearm across North America... but I doubt they're common in Eastern Europe.

 

[...] sometimes it gets to a point where it gets obnoxious and people begin worrying about unimportant issues.

 

"I found an Apache in an Epoch server and tried out the 30mm but I found the M789 rounds had an incorrect ballistic coefficient ranging from approximately 2.7 m²/kg to 2.8 m²/kg resulting in a maximum horizontal range of 2000m from a stationary helicopter and a theoretical range of 3250m when fired at an angle of between 25 and 30 degrees, when in real life the ballistic coefficient ranges from around 2.48 m²/kg for a range of 500 meters to 2.55 m²/kg for a range of 1000-1500 meters which results in a maximum range of approximately 4,450 meters at 35 degrees blablablablablablabla this problem DESTROYS the game and needs to be corrected IMMEDIATELY!"

 

Been there done that. :P

[SFRGaming 718]

Regardless if western weapons should/shouldn't be available, Chernarus is a VERY small country. Having JUST Soviet weapons will make the game very boring since there is limited types of weapons. Realistic or not, I'd love to have a very LARGE pool of weapon choices. And if it is gonna be as realistic as little to no western weapons, then we might as well add the AK's inaccuracy due to "barrel shudder". :/

[Chaingunfighter 917]

The semi-auto Springfields (and Norincos up here) are a fairly popular firearm across North America... but I doubt they're common in Eastern Europe.

That's probably true, I just suggested it as an alternative to the pre-existing M14 considering it would be more likely (Though the M39 would be my first bet)

 

I just like the M14 too much :P

[enforcer1975 1111]

That's probably true, I just suggested it as an alternative to the pre-existing M14 considering it would be more likely (Though the M39 would be my first bet)

 

I just like the M14 too much :P

 

I'm pretty sure what is considered exotic among AK fans in the US ( AK and derivatives, SKS, SVD, VEPR etc. ) is standard merchandise in the former soviet states. Maybe there are western guns but not for the "commoners" among the gun owners. Pistols are different since they are not under strict regulations like military or military based firearms like f.e. the AR platform beeing manufactured by hundreds of companies all over the states.

I think with a list like this ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_weaponry ) people would not be asking for a lot of foreign weapons since unlike the us citizen who treats his Armalite like a barbie doll the russian thinks of the weapon as a tool. Of course most weapons in this list are off limits to civilians but like in every country there is a black market.

Edited November 1, 2013 by Enforcer

[Chaingunfighter 917]

I'm pretty sure what is considered exotic among AK fans in the US ( AK and derivatives, SKS, SVD, VEPR etc. ) is standard merchandise in the former soviet states. Maybe there are western guns but not for the "commoners" among the gun owners. Pistols are different since they are not under strict regulations like military or military based firearms like f.e. the AR platform beeing manufactured by hundreds of companies all over the states.

I think with a list like this ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_weaponry ) people would not be asking for a lot of foreign weapons since unlike the us citizen who treats his Armalite like a barbie doll the russian thinks of the weapon as a tool. Of course most weapons in this list are off limits to civilians but like in every country there is a black market.

 

Taking care of your firearm is very important. Also, we don't really have any (realistic) major threat to us that would involve using a semi-automatic medium-capacity rifle for that we don't have better alternatives for, I.E. using hunting rifles and shotguns for animals. We save the AR-15 for the human threat. The Russians don't have as much of a selection of weaponry to use, and thus can't specialize their weapons as much and have to use the same gun for multiple purposes.

It's how we live and what we fear that changes how we use and maintain our guns. 

 

Also, a lot of those guns on the Wikipedia list were prototypes, or produced in limited quantities, or just wouldn't make sense. (Be ready for a long list) The guns I think would make sense (From an eastern standpoint);

Tokarev TT-33, Makarov PM, Makarov PB (Makarov with integrated silencer), MP-443 (Yarygin PYA), APS Stetchkin, Nagant M1895, KS-23, Saiga 12, PPSh-41, PPS-43, PP-19, PP-91 Kedr, PP-2000, Mosin-Nagant, SVT-40, SKS, SV-98, SVD, KSVK (Possibly), AN-94, AKM/AKMS, AK-74/AKS-74/AK-74M/AKS-74M, AKS-74U, AK-105, AK-12, DP-28, RPD, RPK-47/74, PK/PKM, RPG-2, RPG-7/RPG-7D/RPG-7V, Type 69 RPG, Type 56, Vz.61 Skorpion, Vz.56 and CZ-75.

 

That's a lot of guns, but it would not entirely be interesting if it were only those. Combine it with the;

 

Colt M1911, Beretta M9, Glock 17/19/Other Variants, SIG P226/P228/P229, MP5A3/A5, MP5SD3/SD6 (MP5 with integrated silencer), M4/M4A1, M16A2/M16A4, M249/FN Minimi, M240/FN Mag, M60E4/MK43, M24, M40A5, M39 EMR, G3A3/G3KA4, PSG-1, Accuracy International AWM/AWSM, Remington 870, Benelli M4 Super 90/M1014, MK16, M320 GL, Milkor MGL/M32, M136/AT-4, FN FAL, IMI Uzi, and I think you've got a pretty well-balanced list.

 

The AK-74, Mosin-Nagant, M4A1, Remington 870, Ruger 10/22 and CZ-75 have been (practically) confirmed (Screenshots of in-progress of the Nagant, 10/22, CZ-75 and 870 have been shown, and the AK-74 and M4A1 have both been shown in action)

Edited November 3, 2013 by Chaingunfighter

[AP_Norris 1018]

^ that's a nice list... But I think you could easily remove a few guns with the same effect.

A lot could be ported right from Arma 2 OA, maybe get a slight texture buff.

One gun I really wanna see and ofcourse it would be extremely rare is the M60 I love that gun so much, I srsly just run around on Battlefield 3 with that thing, Rambo style not even ADS or anything (too much fun).

But if you get what I'm saying about those guns, you list 3-6 different RPG variants, when in reality you should never really need/ actually find one with ammo, I respect that if they have the spare time and resources why not? But in terms of time management I would find anything but the trusty RPG-7 base variant unnecessary.

[AP_Norris 1018]

I also hope the CZ 550 returns.

Loved the feeling of going around with that gun in the bush rolling with some trusty lifelong friends. The authenticity of it.

Much different than a guy with an AS-50 running around in a ghillie suit keeping up with a poor scared unarmed survivor only to stop spray an almost fully automatic wall of .50 bullets while standing with next to no effect.

[lipemr 160]

Taking care of your firearm is very important. Also, we don't really have any (realistic) major threat to us that would involve using a semi-automatic medium-capacity rifle for that we don't have better alternatives for, I.E. using hunting rifles and shotguns for animals. We save the AR-15 for the human threat. The Russians don't have as much of a selection of weaponry to use, and thus can't specialize their weapons as much and have to use the same gun for multiple purposes.

It's how we live and what we fear that changes how we use and maintain our guns.

Also, a lot of those guns on the Wikipedia list were prototypes, or produced in limited quantities, or just wouldn't make sense. (Be ready for a long list) The guns I think would make sense (From an eastern standpoint);

Tokarev TT-33, Makarov PM, Makarov PB (Makarov with integrated silencer), MP-443 (Yarygin PYA), APS Stetchkin, Nagant M1895, KS-23, Saiga 12, PPSh-41, PPS-43, PP-19, PP-91 Kedr, PP-2000, Mosin-Nagant, SVT-40, SKS, SV-98, SVD, KSVK (Possibly), AN-94, AKM/AKMS, AK-74/AKS-74/AK-74M/AKS-74M, AKS-74U, AK-105, AK-12, DP-28, RPD, RPK-47/74, PK/PKM, RPG-2, RPG-7/RPG-7D/RPG-7V, Type 69 RPG, Type 56, Vz.61 Skorpion, Vz.56 and CZ-75.

That's a lot of guns, but it would not entirely be interesting if it were only those. Combine it with the;

Colt M1911, Beretta M9, Glock 17/19/Other Variants, SIG P226/P228/P229, MP5A3/A5, MP5SD3/SD6 (MP5 with integrated silencer), M4/M4A1, M16A2/M16A4, M249/FN Minimi, M240/FN Mag, M60E4/MK43, M24, M40A5, M39 EMR, G3A3/G3KA4, PSG-1, Accuracy International AWM/AWSM, Remington 870, Benelli M4 Super 90/M1014, MK16, M320 GL, Milkor MGL/M32, M136/AT-4, FN FAL, IMI Uzi, and I think you've got a pretty well-balanced list.

The AK-74, Mosin-Nagant, M4A1, Remington 870, Ruger 10/22 and CZ-75 have been (practically) confirmed (Screenshots of in-progress of the Nagant, 10/22, CZ-75 and 870 have been shown, and the AK-74 and M4A1 have both been shown in action)

Belgium, german and british weapons should be Much more common on europe than all of this erican bullshit. Jeez, i never ever saw an ar15 irl, but i saw some dozens of FALs, berettas and even aks here where i live (brazil), considering that they should be much more rare on another freaking continent, they arent plausible at all.

[AP_Norris 1018]

Belgium, german and british weapons should be Much more common on europe than all of this erican bullshit. Jeez, i never ever saw an ar15 irl, but i saw some dozens of FALs, berettas and even aks here where i live (brazil), considering that they should be much more rare on another freaking continent, they arent plausible at all.

You must remember the backstory of the province though.

Although I think yes, I want a variety of rare guns that ain't just US guns.

I'd like a few German WW2 guns if ya don't mind Rocket, Hitlers buzzsaw (MG42), a Luger, Mp-40 a bit of Russain WW2 stuff like a tokarov, PPSH-41 and corresponding uniforms (I ain't no neo Nazi, I just think it would be pretty darn cool).

If we did ever get a .50 I think it should be a stationary DSHKM that you could put up in your base somewhere, or on the side of a boat, ammo should be rare but the fun shouldn't shouldn't be any rarer.

[SFRGaming 718]

I'm pretty sure what is considered exotic among AK fans in the US ( AK and derivatives, SKS, SVD, VEPR etc. ) is standard merchandise in the former soviet states. Maybe there are western guns but not for the "commoners" among the gun owners. Pistols are different since they are not under strict regulations like military or military based firearms like f.e. the AR platform beeing manufactured by hundreds of companies all over the states.

I think with a list like this ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_weaponry ) people would not be asking for a lot of foreign weapons since unlike the us citizen who treats his Armalite like a barbie doll the russian thinks of the weapon as a tool. Of course most weapons in this list are off limits to civilians but like in every country there is a black market.

Exotic? Shit my local pawn shop has at least 20-30 AK's lined up on the back wall lol

[SalamanderAnder (DayZ) 1747]

Um, what? America is the world's largest weapon's exporter by far. Colt in particular exports a huge number of firearms to foreign militaries and civilians alike. Why do we find so many Glocks in America? They're made in Sweden. The logic doesn't work when you turn it around the other way, does it? How come everything made of plastic says "Made in China?" lol. We live in a global economy. This shouldn't even be under debate.

[enforcer1975 1111]

Exotic? Shit my local pawn shop has at least 20-30 AK's lined up on the back wall lol

 

They are either surplus variants from former soviet states, assembles in the states from parts or most likely made in the usa under license.

 

Um, what? America is the world's largest weapon's exporter by far. Colt in particular exports a huge number of firearms to foreign militaries and civilians alike. Why do we find so many Glocks in America? They're made in Sweden. The logic doesn't work when you turn it around the other way, does it? How come everything made of plastic says "Made in China?" lol. We live in a global economy. This shouldn't even be under debate.

 

Every major weapon manufacturer has a big factory in the states.

 

Production in other countries

Aside from the original Austrian company, Glock pistols are manufactured in the division located in USA. Those batches are nearly the same and identical compared to the Austrian-made ones, but they have proof marks marked as "USA", instead of "AUSTRIA", on the slide.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Belgium, german and british weapons should be Much more common on europe than all of this erican bullshit. Jeez, i never ever saw an ar15 irl, but i saw some dozens of FALs, berettas and even aks here where i live (brazil), considering that they should be much more rare on another freaking continent, they arent plausible at all.

My post was assuming a deployment from United States/NATO troops (Which the current DayZ form seems to suggest, considering the HMMWVs, crashed UH-1Ys as well as USMC Pilot zombies). If there was going to be any western equipment there, I justified it with a mainly American set of weapons as their military would be there.

 

You must remember the backstory of the province though.

Although I think yes, I want a variety of rare guns that ain't just US guns.

I'd like a few German WW2 guns if ya don't mind Rocket, Hitlers buzzsaw (MG42), a Luger, Mp-40 a bit of Russain WW2 stuff like a tokarov, PPSH-41 and corresponding uniforms (I ain't no neo Nazi, I just think it would be pretty darn cool).

If we did ever get a .50 I think it should be a stationary DSHKM that you could put up in your base somewhere, or on the side of a boat, ammo should be rare but the fun shouldn't shouldn't be any rarer.

I don't know how likely you are to find any MG-42s (Or any WW2 'MG' type guns at all), but weapons like the KAR-98, Walther P38, Luger P08 and possibly the MP-40 are definitely viable options. The Tokarev TT-33, PPSh-41, Mosin-Nagant, SVT-40, SKS and RPD were all used in WW2 (Some to a very limited degree) and are still hugely common in the world, so I'd love to see them.

 

 

 

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Taken from the DayZ Devblog created on September 7.

Edited November 4, 2013 by Chaingunfighter