New building: Prison

[SFRGaming 718]

 You sure made it seem that way with the way you talked about the weapons. And I'm pretty sure "sheriff" is not a term in Russia.

Did I ever say there was a sheriff in Russia? No I was using it as an example of the tiers of weapons you could expect in the type of jail/prison. I don't get where you guys are inferring I think this game takes place in the US. I know for damn sure it doesn;t and I never said it did. I was merely using examples to make it easy for others to comprehend but obviously it didn't work.

[colekern 1364]

Did I ever say there was a sheriff in Russia? No I was using it as an example of the tiers of weapons you could expect in the type of jail/prison. I don't get where you guys are inferring I think this game takes place in the US. I know for damn sure it doesn;t and I never said it did. I was merely using examples to make it easy for others to comprehend but obviously it didn't work.

 

It was a misunderstanding, my mistake.

[SFRGaming 718]

It was a misunderstanding, my mistake.

I understand. I know most people dont want to have a lot of guns in 1 area, or just to generally ask for more guns in outright. But if Rocket makes this prison to a large scale, then realistically there will be a gun slightly larger than a pistol within the armory. And maybe they can make the armory locked, and will require a Payday 2 style break-in (minus the cops and swat) to access the objects inside.

[AP_Norris 1018]

The russian had the 1911 and Thompson as lend lease weapons in WW2. A lot might not have made it back you know...

Weapons are spread all around the world, same as people and cars.

I wanna variety sure, but that doesn't mean prison guards are gonna be walking around with them.

[Max Planck 7174]

Weapons are spread all around the world, same as people and cars.

I wanna variety sure, but that doesn't mean prison guards are gonna be walking around with them.

 

Most cars are bought by civilians who can pick and chose. Weapons for armies and police forces are bought by nation states though, and in large quantities. What they buy will be affected by the political and diplomatic climate moreso than quality. There is also the East/west ammunition issue. Hence, M4s would be an unlikely sight in the east.

 

 

Did I ever say there was a sheriff in Russia? No I was using it as an example of the tiers of weapons you could expect in the type of jail/prison.

 

Forget the sheriff, the problem is that you think other countries have built their prisons according the same philosophy as your country did, only with the names and models swapped out (I'm referring to the 'tiers of weapons' bit here). This is not the case. Other countries are not modelled on yours, you need to understand this.

 

There are no generic tiers of weapons in prisons, and the whole idea of the purpose of the prison can be vastly different from what you are used to.

[AP_Norris 1018]

Most cars are bought by civilians who can pick and chose. Weapons for armies and police forces are bought by nation states though, and in large quantities. What they buy will be affected by the political and diplomatic climate moreso than quality. There is also the East/west ammunition issue. Hence, M4s would be an unlikely sight in the east.

 

 

 

Forget the sheriff, the problem is that you think other countries have built their prisons according the same philosophy as your country did, only with the names and models swapped out (I'm referring to the 'tiers of weapons' bit here). This is not the case. Other countries are not modelled on yours, you need to understand this.

 

There are no generic tiers of weapons in prisons, and the whole idea of the purpose of the prison can be vastly different from what you are used to.

Like I was saying those guns might be in the game and in real life location. But it doesn't mean they're going to be on people that are kitted out by employers.

Employers buy bulk and people get issue firearms.

[SFRGaming 718]

Most cars are bought by civilians who can pick and chose. Weapons for armies and police forces are bought by nation states though, and in large quantities. What they buy will be affected by the political and diplomatic climate moreso than quality. There is also the East/west ammunition issue. Hence, M4s would be an unlikely sight in the east.

 

 

 

Forget the sheriff, the problem is that you think other countries have built their prisons according the same philosophy as your country did, only with the names and models swapped out (I'm referring to the 'tiers of weapons' bit here). This is not the case. Other countries are not modelled on yours, you need to understand this.

 

There are no generic tiers of weapons in prisons, and the whole idea of the purpose of the prison can be vastly different from what you are used to.

You fail to realise I DONT think like this. I'm using them as examples of what we could possibly see in the game. Plus, I thought this was a Zombie Survival Sim, not a Prison Sim. And I can tell by your post you don't want the M4 in SA, but fact of the matter is, it will be and it's not coming out.

[Max Planck 7174]

You fail to realise I DONT think like this. I'm using them as examples of what we could possibly see in the game.

The type of guns will vary on how big/the HEAT status of the prison. Will a small sheriff's jail have a M4? No. Will a prison with similar reputation as Alcatraz have a M4? Most likely.

The way I read your posts, these two are contradictory. I might be reading them wrong though, but it would be easier for everyone if you left out the insults and the references that ony make sense to americans.

 

 

And I can tell by your post you don't want the M4 in SA, but fact of the matter is, it will be and it's not coming out.

 

You can tell bugger all by my posts too, apparently.

I have nothing against the M4 being in the SA and I'm looking forward to playing with its modifications.

I would mind it being issued to state employees in Chernarus, an eastern bloc country, though.

Edited October 13, 2013 by Max Planck

[SFRGaming 718]

The way I read your posts, these two are contradictory. I might be reading them wrong though, but it would be easier for everyone if you left out the insults and the references that ony make sense to americans.

 

 

 

I never said there WILL be a M4 in any type of establishment in Russia. I was using the M4 as an example of what type of weapon (AR) that you could possibly find. Would you be happy if I referenced the AK? Or the Sa-58 models? And I don't see where I insulted you, at all.

[Max Planck 7174]

Once again, my problem is that you take facts from your country and apply them willy-nilly to other countries.

Example:

 

The type of guns will vary on how big/the HEAT status of the prison.

 

This might be true where you come from, but it not universal. In some countries, prison guards carry no weapons irregardless of the level of surveillance. In some places they all carry mace.

It differs.

 

This narrowminded, self-centered outlook on the world is what made me remind the OP that the game takes place in a country not his own.

Try reading the thread from the top, I just did. You might even find the part where you call me ignorant.

[enforcer1975 1111]

I think you can both stop now...he should know by now that the setting is in "Russia". I do hope that the devs also considered this in the SA and don't spam the world with magpul products.

[SalamanderAnder (DayZ) 1747]

Once again, my problem is that you take facts from your country and apply them willy-nilly to other countries.

Example:

 

 

This might be true where you come from, but it not universal. In some countries, prison guards carry no weapons irregardless of the level of surveillance. In some places they all carry mace.

It differs.

 

Alright first, irregardless is not a word, it's one of those Bush Jr. words. I just want to let you know for your own sake. The ir- part comes from irrespective, which is synonymous with regardless.

 

Second, can we all please calm down about what kind of guns we might find in the prison? Isn't the point of taking over a structure for safety, warmth, and shelter? Shouldn't these be the main game play concerns when it comes to structures like this? I think we can all logically agree that for any country, it does not make sense to keep excess firearms near inmates. The only excuse for weapons in the prison, to me, would be some sort of military presence due to the apocalypse. Either way, that kind of power balancing is up to the dev team. Shouldn't we be talking about other aspects of the prison?

Edited October 13, 2013 by SalamanderAnder

[Max Planck 7174]

Alright first, irregardless is not a word, it's one of those Bush Jr. words. I just want to let you know for your own sake. The ir- part comes from irrespective, which is synonymous with regardless.

 

Meh. I'm not a native english speaker, so if you can find it in your heart to 'deal with' some amount of errors in my posts I'll be mighty pleased.

Besides, there seems to be some debate as to whether or not it is a word.

 

 

Second, can we all please calm down about what kind of guns we might find in the prison? Isn't the point of taking over a structure for safety, warmth, and shelter? Shouldn't these be the main game play concerns when it comes to structures like this? I think we can all logically agree that for any country, it does not make sense to keep excess firearms near inmates. The only excuse for weapons in the prison, to me, would be some sort of military presence due to the apocalypse. Either way, that kind of power balancing is up to the dev team. Shouldn't we be talking about other aspects of the prison?

 

I'm calm enough to be slicing potatoes very thin in between posting, I think this will be sufficient. I'll be making white pizza.

 

By the way, my issue isn't with the M4, it's with the idea that one's country should be seen as a sort of 'standard' which other places better fucking adhere to.

Irregardless of which country this may be, I might add.

Edited October 13, 2013 by Max Planck

[SFRGaming 718]

I really hope with the prison, comes a key system. And hopefully the razor-wire actually works on the fences. A warden zombie seemed like a great idea. But he needs to be hard to get to. The keyring he has can be a very high value item. With a very organized group, the prison could make a very good base. Using supply rooms, armories, and cells as storage areas. Would be very secure and if the power was turned back on, security cameras could be in effect. The fences on the outside would take more than an average size car to take down, and even large military truck risk popping their tires on the wire.

 

And I know someone is gonna say "But that makes it too hard to raid! ;_;" Well, that kinda is the point. One disadvantage is another group of bandits could easily stake out the compound. Being on one of those towers, on patrol, or sitting on a catwalk can single you out easily. The Walking Dead is a VERY good example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUr5_XSkiSE

Edited October 13, 2013 by Shadow134

[pinapple900 8]

Well that did NOT go the direction i was hoping it would. I dont care bout the guns, just the building......

[SFRGaming 718]

Don't worry man, people will disagree and agree. We all have different minds. This is a great idea for adding on to the prison.