Helicopter stolen again... le sigh....

[rn_max 202]

Well all those anecdotes of clever players are nice, but like I said before, the server is too low pop and the time frame way too fast when heli's disappear and specific tents are raided for only one type of item.

 

As an epitaph, a honey trap was set in cooperation with the admin recently and the bait was taken.

 

The MI-17 was flown out and parked on Lonely Island, you know the one, over 25km out from the coast and can't be spawned on.  Later on in the day, the trap was checked and the MH6 was  out there in its place.  After a browse through the logs, the ban hammer fell on a pair of GUID's ... goodbye and good riddance.

 

Its not just the cheating, its the sorry ass fact that stupid, lazy people can just buy their way into hackville, without even understanding how the hell what they are using works.

[disgruntled 38]

North of Black Mountain there is a clearing which on vanilla Chenarus has some bad textures. A huey sits in there nicely, kept one there for 3 days on a busy private hive, logged in still there.

As for the disbelief, if I get a Kamenka spawn I don't even bother with looting, straight up the west side of the map. People love those clearings west of Myshkino...

As for admin, it all depends how smart they are. If the database is available to edit you can change everything. You can even take ownership of someone else's tent so they can't pack it back up and move.

If you can understand the log file you can trace a players entire session.

[disgruntled 38]

Continued:

A maphacker joined ours one Saturday night. He got Three Valleys spawn and ran north. Completely ignored Berezino and went into the woods to an abandoned camp. Then to the Black Mountain spot and spent 20 mins trashing that players camp (which I replaced out of my own loot for the poor sod). From there he travelled 1.6k in 4 mins and got to ours. The admin camp. Strangely enough he didn't destroy it. He spent ages there going through our 16 tents and full Ural. Took our satchel charges and a Ghillie and logged there.

I presume he planted the satchels thinking someone was going to come back to the base. We didn't that night as it was all going off at NWAF.

[JPWiser 251]

Early days of US434 several regulars would fix the Mi17 whenever it spawned.  They would park it off map 4 kms off and within a day it would get stolen and crashed by a hacker.  You ban the hacker, rinse and repeat the next time Russian spawns.

 

Players give up the game and a new group comes in.  They experience the same thing, rinse and repeat.

 

Basically high value vehicles have a steal me sign on them.  I've noticed a lot of experienced players treat helis as vehicles of opportunity.  They don't bother investing the time to fix them but if stumbled upon will take it an use it until crashed or stolen themselves.  Most of the time helis seemed to be built by players who have passed noob stage but are not quite grizzled and jaded.  They still have optimism that building a heli and keeping it for a long time is still possible.

 

So I should just accept the fact that my vehicle will be taken from me via illegitimate methods? Or are you saying that the "true grizzled and jaded" have accepted hackers as being part of the mod?

 

God I cant wait for the SA.

[MissSweeney 105]

Butt Fawk nowhere is the best place to find stuff. If I'm up north and need stuff, I will run around Butt Fawk nowhere and I will find stuff. Tents full of high end loot, vehicles etc. Ezpz.

[JPWiser 251]

You don't know that.

If I want a heli on any random server, I WILL find one. Especially after running my own server for almost a year, I know most every hiding place people think are "good spots". Most people see a heli and high tail it the hell outta there fast with it, giving 0 fucks about what else might be around. Once you have the heli, you can anything you want in short order.

 

I bet 75%+ of the dayz population doesnt even know how to fly a chopper.  If you play on a server long enough you see the traffic of players come in and out.  As a server admin I figured youd know that.  You would be able to tell very quickly which groups of people even had the capability of having certain vehicles in their possesion.  And if anyone outside of those people did have it they were extremely lucky,  and if any of those extremely lucky people knew how to fly a chopper then even luckier.  On a lower populated server there is only so much luck someone can have, finding vehicles in the middle of nowhere when you have no vehicle to do so?  I honestly am trying to believe that it was a "random" find but there is just no possible way it adds up.

[disgruntled 38]

I bet 75%+ of the dayz population doesnt even know how to fly a chopper. If you play on a server long enough you see the traffic of players come in and out. As a server admin I figured youd know that. You would be able to tell very quickly which groups of people even had the capability of having certain vehicles in their possesion. And if anyone outside of those people did have it they were extremely lucky, and if any of those extremely lucky people knew how to fly a chopper then even luckier. On a lower populated server there is only so much luck someone can have, finding vehicles in the middle of nowhere when you have no vehicle to do so? I honestly am trying to believe that it was a "random" find but there is just no possible way it adds up.

So far you haven't mentioned which particular server. So that should mean you're safe to say whereabouts you hid it.

Tell us that and let's see what posters think of it as a hiding place. If you left it around debug either north or west players scour these areas.

Also, as you stated regarding other items nearby were these out of sight from the helicopter? It's been said already finding someones heli, you take it and get out of there.

Final thing...people are acting as if vehicles belong to them. They're an asset in a game and should be fought over/stolen. If the apocalypse dropped tomorrow you'd be eyeing up a nearby tough 4x4 vehicle over your 1 litre Nissan Micra

[rossums 2190]

Where exactly was it hidden?

There are plenty of places on Chernarus that are such good hiding places that they are terrible because EVERYONE tries to hide things there.

[Jex 1104]

If you think you can hide anything, or that someone won't stumble across a vehicle after a few days you're kidding yourself and that's on a map the size of cherno - lmao @ namalsk - it's fucking tiny! Not only do me and a mate run along the map edge fairly frequently, but others are doing it to and vehicles stick out like a sore thumb - especially from the air where forests become a brown blob on the ground which ALL vehicles stand out. People might use a hack but really, on a populated server you vehicle will be found - there are no hiding spots (and personally, I'd remove the chopper from the game - they can't fix the issue with the way forests render and make it OP but they keep the chooper in - that to me seems brainless.)

[monoking 22]

I never managed to keep a helicopter for long for few days on low pop servers. It doesn't matter how good you hide them, some kid with a maphack will find them anyway. Just don't get attached to your vehicles. 

[dgeesio 1034]

Anyone else have this issue, where you play on a moderately low populated server and spend hours and hours getting a chopper going for your group of people you may play with.  Have one or two glorious nights with it only for it to be mysteriously "found" and stolen?

 

I find it hard to believe twice now within a couple days of getting my chopper going, that it was just "stumbled upon" by some lucky bastard.  No one just happens to be running through a forest in the middle of butt fawk no where that goes even further into butt fawk no where.

 

Can server admins see where the vehicles are on the map?

 

What is the likelyhood it was found via maphack or something of the sorts?

 

Really discouraging.

yes the admins or groups / clan often just go where is a heli look with server tools or spawn one in.

 

best just crashing it into ground and keep all gear on you that is good. biggest let down in dayz is admin abuse and hacking.

 

[Chucknorris405 83]

I bet 75%+ of the dayz population doesnt even know how to fly a chopper.  If you play on a server long enough you see the traffic of players come in and out.  As a server admin I figured youd know that.  You would be able to tell very quickly which groups of people even had the capability of having certain vehicles in their possesion.  And if anyone outside of those people did have it they were extremely lucky,  and if any of those extremely lucky people knew how to fly a chopper then even luckier.  On a lower populated server there is only so much luck someone can have, finding vehicles in the middle of nowhere when you have no vehicle to do so?  I honestly am trying to believe that it was a "random" find but there is just no possible way it adds up.

 

this just makes me realize you are still very new or very naive. Remember  DayZ rule number 1, Don't get attached to your gear. You would be amazed how many people can fly ( doesn't mean they can fly well). If i spawn west of bolata, the first thing i do is go up the west border and then arcross the north. You usually run across a chopper then the map is yours!!

[Bubbajones 238]

what 'end game' needs is the ability to erect barbwire (or electric) fence perimeters around small areas to use as bases in the woods. a compound large enough to land a heli and park a car or two. a compound with a gated entrance that requires a key ( that can be looted).

 

It wont prevent people from shooting vehicles (inside bases) for giggles, but they wont be able to steal them.

[mercules 1290]

I bet 75%+ of the dayz population doesnt even know how to fly a chopper.  

 

Um... what? 

Autohover on. 

Push button chopper go up.

Chopper above trees, turn Autohover off.

Push forward button chopper lean forward.

Push left/right to steer.

Reach place want get off Eject. 

Chopper crash you at destination.

Durh me like chopper save time run.

 

[hogscraper 328]

what 'end game' needs is the ability to erect barbwire (or electric) fence perimeters around small areas to use as bases in the woods. a compound large enough to land a heli and park a car or two. a compound with a gated entrance that requires a key ( that can be looted).

 

It wont prevent people from shooting vehicles (inside bases) for giggles, but they wont be able to steal them.

This is the type of thinking that would ruin the game. They already have exactly that mechanism on some custom servers that have these domes that can only be entered by certain players that own them. Dumbest dam thing someone could do to a server as eventually it means that there are no cars to find on the server. Brilliant way to take a HUGE reason for exploring away from anyone joining your server and basically allow players to lose all fear of losing their gear or any need to ever explore. How fast would someone erect these around the barracks at NWAF? Super awesome idea.

You know who would love this idea? Lazy people.

Lazy people and cowards.

Lazy people, cowards and people that have no concept whatsoever as to what Dayz aims to do or the reason that most people like playing. 

[SalamanderAnder (DayZ) 1747]

 No one just happens to be running through a forest in the middle of butt fawk no where that goes even further into butt fawk no where.

 

 

Yes. I do it all the time, because I know that's where people try to hide helicopters. Duh.

[StrangeOrange 15]

ITT: "I am convinced that I am so incredibly intelligent and clever that I can hide a helicopter and it is not possible that it will be taken. Absolutely impossible! Therefore, if it is not here later it was DEFINITELY a hacker, and I shall be prompted to make a post about it on the forums and subsequent replies yelling at people who provide me legitimate responses regarding several ways it could have been probably found by legitimate methods."

[JPWiser 251]

ITT: "I am convinced that I am so incredibly intelligent and clever that I can hide a helicopter and it is not possible that it will be taken. Absolutely impossible! Therefore, if it is not here later it was DEFINITELY a hacker, and I shall be prompted to make a post about it on the forums and subsequent replies yelling at people who provide me legitimate responses regarding several ways it could have been probably found by legitimate methods."

 

Lol so ignorant, pro troll....

 

[StrangeOrange 15]

Lol so ignorant, pro troll....

 

 

And here we see just how mature you are. You respond to a legitimate post by calling its author "ignorant" and a "troll" just to diminish the point they are making, without even really saying anything.

 

Well allow me to put personal matters aside for a moment and just look at facts (facts that have already been stated in this thread): Helicopters are impossible to hide from hackers just like everything else, but also incredibly difficult to hide from players who use legitimate methods to look for helicopters. This includes using multiple people to check a larger area (canvassing), using another helicopter to search for yours due to how trees and other obstructions render at further distances and certain angles, and checking areas where choppers are more likely to be based on others already putting their vehicles there.

 

I think I should add that you STILL have not told us where you had put the chopper so we could tell you whether it was a good place or not. I'm thinking that you probably put it on the edge of the map in the woods thinking it was a spectacular hiding place and NO ONE would ever find it. If you did that, then just know that that is a terrible place to put it. In fact, just about any place is a terrible place to put it due to the fact that players roam through many areas of the map all the time, either because it is along the path between two points of interest, or because it is far away from those as to be an expected place to not be found (ironic, I know).

 

So basically what I'm trying to say is if you lost your chopper, You can come to the forums to complain about it, but when people try to give you legitimate tips and constructive criticism you shouldn't deny any of their help at all like a child would because your pride is hurt. Also, if you really want help you'll tell us where you put it, but I would understand if you didn't want to do that for secrecy reasons (even though we don't know what server you play on). Oh well, just my two cents.

 

>using "le" in title

>calling someone who disagrees with them "ignorant" and a "troll"

>posting a video from The Chive

>said video contains the "trololo" meme

> :emptycan:

Edited October 6, 2013 by StrangeOrange

[JPWiser 251]

And here we see just how mature you are. You respond to a legitimate post by calling its author "ignorant" and a "troll" just to diminish the point they are making, without even really saying anything.

 

Well allow me to put personal matters aside for a moment and just look at facts (facts that have already been stated in this thread): Helicopters are impossible to hide from hackers just like everything else, but also incredibly difficult to hide from players who use legitimate methods to look for helicopters. This includes using multiple people to check a larger area (canvassing), using another helicopter to search for yours due to how trees and other obstructions render at further distances and certain angles, and checking areas where choppers are more likely to be based on others already putting their vehicles there.

 

I think I should add that you STILL have not told us where you had put the chopper so we could tell you whether it was a good place or not. I'm thinking that you probably put it on the edge of the map in the woods thinking it was a spectacular hiding place and NO ONE would ever find it. If you did that, then just know that that is a terrible place to put it. In fact, just about any place is a terrible place to put it due to the fact that players roam through many areas of the map all the time, either because it is along the path between two points of interest, or because it is far away from those as to be an expected place to not be found (ironic, I know).

 

So basically what I'm trying to say is if you lost your chopper, You can come to the forums to complain about it, but when people try to give you legitimate tips and constructive criticism you shouldn't deny any of their help at all like a child would because your pride is hurt. Also, if you really want help you'll tell us where you put it, but I would understand if you didn't want to do that for secrecy reasons (even though we don't know what server you play on). Oh well, just my two cents.

 

>using "le" in title

>calling someone who disagrees with them "ignorant" and a "troll"

>posting a video from The Chive

>said video contains the "trololo" meme

> :emptycan:

 

You actually consider that post a legitimate response?

 

Clearly It completely deserved a TROLOL post from the chive, from the sarcastic mocking wordplay used to change my words into your interpretation of what you think im posting about.

 

Did you even read it?  It is a complete mockery of ALL facts stated in the thread.  I dont even think you read the thread because if you look at the facts so far of the type of populated server I play on, along side the other small factors of knowing certain vehicle spawns and character traffic on the server, you would have some understanding where Im coming from. 

 

I am looking to gain guidance from other peoples experiences with disappearing vehicles, and maybe some understanding from the admin side of things since I dont know what kind of things a server owner\admin can and cannot do.

 

I am not looking to hear the same fucktard response that "Oh your stuff can always be found especially a helicopter, your a nub, blah blah"

 

That is why I had originally stopped responding to the thread realizing that I wasnt going to get what I was looking for, and until that ignorant response had done so.

[disgruntled 38]

I am looking to gain guidance from other peoples experiences with disappearing vehicles, and maybe some understanding from the admin side of things since I dont know what kind of things a server owner\admin can and cannot do.

1. Everyone here has lost a vehicle. I had my base completely destroyed once...and it was put on YouTube.

2. An admin on a private hive can see player map, vehicle map. They can see tents. Depending on what tools are used they can see your path taken on a map for that session.

If they understand logs they see everytime you press g, shoot, spawn zeds/DayZ specific loot, pitch tent, find a vehicle, damage a vehicle, find a heli crash, blow stuff up, break your legs, bandage, morphine etc. I've probably missed some...

If they're really good they can change database values and mess with anything really.

Whether they choose to use this power to chase suspected hackers/exploiters or to take the piss depends on the admin in question.

Why don't you try combing the west woods near debug. Visit all the open clearings. If you haven't found anything by the time you're level with Lopatino then I'll chow down on my hat.

[mercules 1290]

 

 

That is why I had originally stopped responding to the thread realizing that I wasnt going to get what I was looking for, and until that ignorant response had done so.

 

You are not going to get what you are looking for, simply because what you are looking for is a bunch of us to say, "Oh it's impossible it was found legitimately so it MUST have been a hacker." which is simply a lie. 

 

Here are a few ways someone could have found your helicopter:

1. They saw the direction you were headed the last time you flew it. Seriously. Many people set a way point and fly in a straight line toward their destination. With ONLY a compass if you are somewhere under their flight path you can get a rough heading and follow it. since most people go "as the crow flies" if they are headed toward the North and not something like NWAF they are likely headed home. Follow that path and you will probably find their camp.

2. They themselves were looking for an "out of the way" spot to set up camp. Seriously, this is one of the big reasons someone might be out in the middle of nowhere. When I want to set up camp and I am looking for a possible place to put a vehicle it is not in primary traffic lanes for the map. 

 

3. They were "camp hunting" looking for vehicles.

 

4. They followed one of you back and waited for them to log off.

 

5. They stumbled across it. I had the happen once where I was trying to lose a zombie and tried to run through a set of trees and literally ran into a tent, as in "couldn't get around it and got hit by a zombie". I would never have seen that tent but for that. It really does happen that people are somewhere they normally wouldn't be because of some bizarre reason and stumble on things.

 

Why would they take that and nothing else?

 

1. Very simply, "Helicopter! Oh wow! Crap I better not hang around long. I don't see anyone..." *panting as they run* "Holy crap! A helicopter, a helicopter! Outta here with my Helicopter!" They could have been literally so hyped up about taking the helicopter and so worried someone might be around that they ran straight to it and took off without checking he tents and other vehicles.

2. They did check the tents but you didn't have anything they needed. Maybe they did take something but it was so minor you didn't realize it. I know my friends and I don't track every bandage, 1911 mag, cooked mutton, Pepsi in our storage.

3. No one took it. Vehicles will sometimes despawn or will spawn in and then vanish. I had a ural that ended up overfull of stuff. One day it just vanished. We lamented the lose of the items and moved on. Then one day I was in camp during a server restart. I logged back in and our Ural was mysteriously there so I quickly grabbed a bunch of things out of it and hopped in and drove it like 2 meters then got out. It stuck around after that so the same thing might have happened to your helicopter. Sometimes on server resets the vehicle isn't placed exactly right and will bounce around and blow up. If you happened to be off for 2+ server resets your helicopter could have blown up and the wreck cleared. 

 

[disgruntled 38]

You are not going to get what you are looking for, simply because what you are looking for is a bunch of us to say, "Oh it's impossible it was found legitimately so it MUST have been a hacker." which is simply a lie.

Here are a few ways someone could have found your helicopter:

1. They saw the direction you were headed the last time you flew it. Seriously. Many people set a way point and fly in a straight line toward their destination. With ONLY a compass if you are somewhere under their flight path you can get a rough heading and follow it. since most people go "as the crow flies" if they are headed toward the North and not something like NWAF they are likely headed home. Follow that path and you will probably find their camp.

2. They themselves were looking for an "out of the way" spot to set up camp. Seriously, this is one of the big reasons someone might be out in the middle of nowhere. When I want to set up camp and I am looking for a possible place to put a vehicle it is not in primary traffic lanes for the map.

3. They were "camp hunting" looking for vehicles.

4. They followed one of you back and waited for them to log off.

5. They stumbled across it. I had the happen once where I was trying to lose a zombie and tried to run through a set of trees and literally ran into a tent, as in "couldn't get around it and got hit by a zombie". I would never have seen that tent but for that. It really does happen that people are somewhere they normally wouldn't be because of some bizarre reason and stumble on things.

Why would they take that and nothing else?

1. Very simply, "Helicopter! Oh wow! Crap I better not hang around long. I don't see anyone..." *panting as they run* "Holy crap! A helicopter, a helicopter! Outta here with my Helicopter!" They could have been literally so hyped up about taking the helicopter and so worried someone might be around that they ran straight to it and took off without checking he tents and other vehicles.

2. They did check the tents but you didn't have anything they needed. Maybe they did take something but it was so minor you didn't realize it. I know my friends and I don't track every bandage, 1911 mag, cooked mutton, Pepsi in our storage.

3. No one took it. Vehicles will sometimes despawn or will spawn in and then vanish. I had a ural that ended up overfull of stuff. One day it just vanished. We lamented the lose of the items and moved on. Then one day I was in camp during a server restart. I logged back in and our Ural was mysteriously there so I quickly grabbed a bunch of things out of it and hopped in and drove it like 2 meters then got out. It stuck around after that so the same thing might have happened to your helicopter. Sometimes on server resets the vehicle isn't placed exactly right and will bounce around and blow up. If you happened to be off for 2+ server resets your helicopter could have blown up and the wreck cleared.

All very true. My base being destroyed happened a few days after another player flew over me and I typed on side a few mins after which in my opinion was sufficient to put the guy off the scent...it wasn't.

Vehicles do move on restarts. When I was playing Taviana I had a Ural parked on a slope. It regularly slid into a tree and once was on it's side after a restart

People also do the gentle base theft. Only taking a small amount at a time from a base you've found will mean the owners likely won't notice. The base will stay there and you can visit it several times, even camp it and learn who the owners are and when they play.

[Forgewolf 70]

Vehicles should have a key with them. That would solve this problem. All they could do then is take apart or destroy your vehicles. Make them work for what they want!

[StrangeOrange 15]

Vehicles should have a key with them. That would solve this problem. All they could do then is take apart or destroy your vehicles. Make them work for what they want!

Vehicles should stay how they are in DayZ Vanilla. If you want vehicles with keys, go buy one from a trader in DayZ Epoch. Seriously, you can do that- go check it out.