Do you play on first or third person servers?

[Wayze 549]

i dont know why everyone thinks that only the hardcore elite veterans will be playing the standalone.

Oh my good, who said that? Nobody thinks that, but Dean is creating the game for the hardocre fans. First sentence bullsh*t so I won't bother to read the rest, sorry.

[aeinola 25]

Oh my good, who said that? Nobody thinks that, but Dean is creating the game for the hardocre fans. First sentence bullsh*t so I won't bother to read the rest, sorry.

Please dont make a fool of your self. Im sure you read the entire post and just ignored it because okami is right about it. Here is a news flash for you: Dean is NOT making the game only for the hardcore fans. Like i said before he is going to gear it towards hardcore fans but will make it easily approachable as possible for the masses (and that includes 3rd person). He would be REALLY REALLY STUPID if he made the game only for hardcore fans and lose loads of money. The more i read your posts Wayze the more it makes me sad how blind you are about this.

[terrvik 2409]

He would be REALLY REALLY STUPID if he made the game only for hardcore fans and lose loads of money.

 

It would also result in a rather uninteresting game in the end. God knows we've had enough of those. :)

 

All I can say is: WOW. This makes the game so much more downright thrilling. And as cliche as it sounds, it's true what everyone says about the game becoming much more immersive. That's easy to say or read in text, but it really must be experienced. You really feel like you're "in" the world, instead of directing your character left and right who is in the world on your behalf.

http://www.reddit.com/r/dayz/comments/1lkxu2/tried_1stperson_only_for_the_first_time_last_night/

 

At least some people have changed their minds after Dsly... dysl... dslycxcixi brought this whole discussion back!

Edited September 2, 2013 by Terrorviktor

[aeinola 25]

It would also result in a rather uninteresting game in the end. God knows we've had enough of those. :)

This is bullsh*t. You can not know this. Lets take the views for example, do you really think the game is uninteresting if there is option for players to choose if they want to play 1st person or 3rd person servers? This is one important thing that makes more sales and wont make Standalone any less interesting/good game.

[okami (DayZ) 129]

And it is not about all the players, it is about the hardcore players. Because they are simply the people who will play the standalone.

 

i dont know why everyone thinks that only the hardcore elite veterans will be playing the standalone.

Oh my good, who said that? Nobody thinks that, but Dean is creating the game for the hardocre fans. First sentence bullsh*t so I won't bother to read the rest, sorry.

 

Um... wait... what?

[terrvik 2409]

This is bullsh*t. You can not know this. Lets take the views for example, do you really think the game is uninteresting if there is option for players to choose if they want to play 1st person or 3rd person servers? This is one important thing that makes more sales and wont make Standalone any less interesting/good game.

 

<_<

 

If Team Rocket starts making decisions based on popular opinion, what mainstream audiences wants or to maximise sales I honestly believe it will turn out rather uninteresting. Accessible, sure, but boring and full of compromises.

[dallas 5195]

It would also result in a rather uninteresting game in the end. God knows we've had enough of those. :)

 

http://www.reddit.com/r/dayz/comments/1lkxu2/tried_1stperson_only_for_the_first_time_last_night/

 

At least some people have changed their minds after Dsly... dysl... dslycxcixi brought this whole discussion back!

 

I really didn't think he brought anything new to the table, except for his name, I also think it's great if the 3103 likes his video got, translates to 3000 players joining first person servers, because if first person players can find full first person servers, they don't need to join full third person servers and dislike it so much.

[terrvik 2409]

I really didn't think he brought anything new to the table, except for his name, I also think it's great if the 3103 likes his video got, translates to 3000 players joining first person servers, because if first person players can find full first person servers, they don't need to join full third person servers and dislike it so much.

 

I absolutely agree that he didn't, he's just well recognized enough in the community to spark a discussion*.

 

*again

Edited September 2, 2013 by Terrorviktor

[tommes 331]

Many players don't think of TPV as a bad thing yet. They probably don't think much anyway. It has just become completely normal. I didn't mind about it either until experiencing what it does to gameplay.

[okami (DayZ) 129]

It would also result in a rather uninteresting game in the end. God knows we've had enough of those. :)

 

Lets just wait and see. I expressed myself rather worried about the direction of standalone after the e3 footage was released. I did not like some of the changes and the lighter tone of the gameplay (brighter colors etc). But in the meantime i read about the recent changes and saw new gamescom footage and i am convined again rocket will find a way to please the masses and still bring us an awesome game. Just look at his way to address kos, shooting players will destroy parts of their gear. This is by far the best idea to stop kos while staying true to the game.

 

And to be honest i think his ideas of handling the 3rd person issue are way superior to just disabling 3rd person completeley.

[dallas 5195]

Many players don't think of TPV as a bad thing yet. They probably don't think much anyway. It has just become completely normal. I didn't mind about it either until experiencing what it does to gameplay.

 

Some of these people even designed the game in 2001 and designed third person to be a difficulty feature, they even designed the game, so server admins could make specific difficulty settings mandatory for anyone playing on their servers. They probably didn't realize people would willingly join servers with easy difficulty settings and complain about easy difficulty settings isn't hard difficulty settings.

 

Lets just wait and see. I expressed myself rather worried about the direction of standalone after the e3 footage was released. I did not like some of the changes and the lighter tone of the gameplay (brighter colors etc). But in the meantime i read about the recent changes and saw new gamescom footage and i am convined again rocket will find a way to please the masses and still bring us an awesome game. Just look at his way to address kos, shooting players will destroy parts of their gear. This is by far the best idea to stop kos while staying true to the game.

 

And to be honest i think his ideas of handling the 3rd person issue are way superior to just disabling 3rd person completeley.

 

I'll probably end up buying DayZ no matter if Rocket decided to disappear third person view completely, but in some regards, I'm mostly buying the standalone to refund a little money for all the hundreds of hours I played the mod for free.

 

My biggest concern is that I'm simply done with Chernarus and than new mechanics, features and models isn't enough to revive DayZ for me. This prolonged development of the standalone, has given me a great break from the mod, allowed me to get off the hype, play some other hyped games, so maybe I've distanced myself from the mod and can find new excitement for the standalone, when it goes public.

Edited September 2, 2013 by Dallas

[Wayze 549]

Um... wait... what?

Ok, I'll explain it to you.

The part "Because they are simply the people..." was refering to the normal players, not the hardcore players. It meant like, they are just players but the hardcore fans are actually those who give feedback and build the game and the community. So, the players have actually nothing to say because they simply don't say anything. The only people who help to get the game working are the hardcore fans and the developer, not the normal casual player who don't give a f*ck about the game. They just play it and if they don't like it they stop, they don't go into forums and complain, because that would be kind of hardcorish, if you know what I mean.

The casual player, so the majority of the gamers just plays the game as it is. They don't care about third or first person. They don't know what kind of effect the view has to the game. They don't know that first person destroys the whole expirience. They just play the game, on servers like "200+ helis, 1000+ cars, additional baracks, AS50s spawn..." and enjoy the game. They don't know that they could enjoy the game way more if there would be some restrictions to it. If the game stays like it is in the mod the people will forget about it very soon, because it gets boring. If you have once expirienced like AS50 fights vs 10 helis etc. than the game is just nothing else than Battlefield, besides the fact that you waste 10 hours for walking.

Edited September 2, 2013 by Wayze

[aeinola 25]

<_<

 

If Team Rocket starts making decisions based on popular opinion, what mainstream audiences wants or to maximise sales I honestly believe it will turn out rather uninteresting. Accessible, sure, but boring and full of compromises.

Again Okami said it. Not much to add except your post goes far to the other side of this. Im not saying Rocket is or will make it just for the masses to get money, im saying he wont do all the tweaks just for hardcore fans and make the game hardcore because he loses a lot of money because of it. I think he is smart enough to make it hard survival game but still make little compromises to please the masses and this include 3rd person view. And again this is no problem for each side since you can choose between them.

[aeinola 25]

The casual player, so the majority of the gamers just plays the game as it is. They don't care about third or first person. They don't know what kind of effect the view has to the game. They don't know that first person destroys the whole expirience. They just play the game, on servers like "200+ helis, 1000+ cars, additional baracks, AS50s spawn..." and enjoy the game. They don't know that they could enjoy the game way more if there would be some restrictions to it. If the game stays like it is in the mod the people will forget about it very soon, because it gets boring. If you have once expirienced like AS50 fights vs 10 helis etc. than the game is just nothing else than Battlefield, besides the fact that you waste 10 hours for walking.

The bolded part probably should be 3rd person?

You say casual players dont care? You must be mad! They care, they just dont care enough to find these forums/topics and join the conversation. It is just crazy to think that Dean can do anything he wants to the game and casual players will play anyway. Dude please...

[Wayze 549]

The bolded part probably should be 3rd person?

You say casual players dont care? You must be mad! They care, they just dont care enough to find these forums/topics and join the conversation. It is just crazy to think that Dean can do anything he wants to the game and casual players will play anyway. Dude please...

Don't dude me, it's childish. And I don't know if you realised but Dean did exactly what you described. He does what he wants and viola almost 2 million people play a awful mod with hackers, glitches and a "broken" first person view.

[terrvik 2409]

My point, and opinion, is that the game shouldn't be made for anyone else except rocket himself. If we like it that's fine but it shouldn't take our opinions into consideration as our opinions are all over the place, as this discussion clearly shows. Try to please everyone, end up pleasing no one. The reason I'm bringing this up is because it affects more than just the perspective issue. How many choices should we have that affect the game and how it is played? Perspective vastly alters how the player act in game, so it's a pretty big deal, in my opinion.

 

The argument that TPV should stay because it would generate more sales is a bad one and shouldn't be used anymore.

Edited September 2, 2013 by Terrorviktor

[aeinola 25]

 

The argument that TPV should stay because it would generate more sales is a bad one and shouldn't be used anymore.

Well, its most likely the truth. And the arguments why 3rd person should not be in the game is way more ridiculous.

[okami (DayZ) 129]

Ok, I'll explain it to you.

The part "Because they are simply the people..." was refering to the normal players, not the hardcore players. It meant like, they are just players but the hardcore fans are actually those who give feedback and build the game and the community.

 

OK in this case i have to admit i understood this sentence wrong (english is a foreign language for me.. but i think as you wrote your sentence it was easy to misunderstand...). Sorry for that. But i still dont share your thoughts on this matter, but i think i have expressed my thoughts enough ;)

 

Please just dont see things just black and white, most of the stuff out there is grey. Dayz is not either hardcore-1st-person-so-hard-it-makes-you-cry or spawn-in-heli-with-sniper-battlefield. Its the thing in between and i have faith in rocket to find the best spot.

 

Do I want it as hard as possible? Hell yeah. But i also want world peace, endless dope and a giant sandwich right now. We cant have everything and have to make compromises. But as i said, i trust in rocket to find the best ones.

Edited September 2, 2013 by okami

[Jamz 253]

 

The part "Because they are simply the people..." was refering to the normal players, not the hardcore players. It meant like, they are just players but the hardcore fans are actually those who give feedback and build the game and the community.

 

As usual this is not true, Anybody 'hardcore' or not is able to and does give feedback if given the chance. To infer that because a person isn't 'hardcore' means their opinion is less important is misguided and elitist. I see I've been an active member on this forum much longer than you, does that give my opinion more weight than yours? Of course not. The simple fact is that a large number of players don't even know that this discussion is going on.

 

They don't know that they could enjoy the game way more if there would be some restrictions to it.

 

Not everyone thinks like you, you can't possibly back up this statement. The recent exposure of this TPV vs FPV discussion could well have driven some third person players to try FPV. If this is the case, and they like it then will choose to populate the FPV servers and you have somewhere to play which is populated. If this doesn't happen then I guess they actualy prefer TPV. Simple.

Edited September 2, 2013 by Jamz

[aeinola 25]

okami is a smart guy. I totally agree.

[dsi24 227]

Well, its most likely the truth. And the arguments why 3rd person should not be in the game is way more ridiculous.

Oh man you're crazy.

 

Most people do not give a shit about TPV v FPV, they just use the best tool, and because TPV is so easily exploited, it's the best tool to use. Most people wouldn't give a shit, a lot would love it, and some would hate it if third person was removed, just like the removal of starter weapons.

[Wayze 549]

OK in this case i have to admit i understood this sentence wrong (english is a foreign language for me.. but i think as you wrote your sentence it was easy to misunderstand...). Sorry for that. But i still dont share your thoughts on this matter, but i think i have expressed my thoughts enough ;)

 

Please just dont see things just black and white, most of the stuff out there is grey. Dayz is not either hardcore-1st-person-so-hard-it-makes-you-cry or spawn-in-heli-with-sniper-battlefield. Its the thing in between and i have faith in rocket to find the best spot.

 

Do I want it as hard as possible? Hell yeah. But i also want world peace, endless dope and a giant sandwich right now. We cant have everything and have to make compromises. But as i said, i trust in rocket to find the best ones.

Yes, indeed I wrote it kind of weird.

 

No, I really don't think it is the thing between, and if you expect the standalone to be like that you will probably very disappointed.

The mod in the early beginning is nothing compared to the standalone. Like Dean said, weapons will be way more harder to find. Loot will be controlled by a main server, which means that even food could be very, very hard to obtain. I don't know how Dean is developing the game, but as his game was invented by the thought that people kill each other even for a can of beans I think he will probably go that road. It will be that hard to not starve that you will kill others for food, or group up to search efficient. Maybe I am wrong with the food thing, but even just the weapons thing will change the game completly into a hardcore game. No more shooter, you will probably never have a M4 with 10 mags. Maybe once in a week you will find one or two with like a half mag.

Do you think any of these Frankie kids who saw on youtube how actionfilled the game is will enjoy a real survival game? You know, more than 1 million people of the players out there never played the DayZ how it is supposed to be, well maybe I put it wrong. 1 million people expect the standalone to be as fun as the mod just with cooler features. But it will be a totally different game if Dean is actually implementing what he says.

 

We can't have everything, you are totally right. But we should always fight for what we actually can have, and that is for me and for more than 50% of this community, wiping out third person from DayZ history.

 

As usual this is not true, Anybody 'hardcore' or not is able to and does give feedback if given the chance. To infer that because a person isn't 'hardcore' means their opinion is less important is misguided and elitist. I see I've been an active member on this forum much longer than you, does that give my opinion more weight than yours? Of course not. The simple fact is that a large number of players don't even know that this discussion is going on.

 

 

Not everyone thinks like you, you can't possibly back up this statement. The recent exposure of this TPV vs FPV discussion could well have driven some third person players to try FPV. If this is the case, and they like it then will choose to populate the FPV servers and you have somewhere to play which is populated. If this doesn't happen then I guess they actualy prefer TPV. Simple.

Everyone does give feedback if given the chance? Everyone has the chance to give feedback. Just register on reddit or the forums and you are good to go. But people don't do that. Casual players don't want to waste their time on that because they have also other interests. But as part of our hobby DayZ is kind of important to us. We invest a lot of time in it so we want it to be good. And we made actually polls which say that the huge majority does not want 3rd person. Stop crying, this is democracy. We made polls, we are arguering. Maybe Dean will hear us out, maybe he will not. But it is our right to tell him our opinion about this matter.

 

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

I'm going to assume you don't know what hypocrisy means and attempt to answer what I think you mean.

I came here to point out the flaw in the plan and I'm still here because you directly addressed my point.

I'm not taking sides in your argument, I'm refuting your findings.

 

As for your lack of response. Can't or won't. Stupid o'clock, with no yes-men to back you? I'll assume that's an "I quit" reaction.

 

Refuting findings? More like dismissing the information entirely.

 

I called you a hypocrite because you said you haven't seen the polls people keep linking. Which itself is a stupid thing to say. Also you told me to drop it and let the devs make their own game. Except this is a forum for discussing all things DayZ & dayz development. Finally you said all the people who disagree are bored of discussing it, except you're still here, discussing it.

 

Might not be the textbook definition of hypocrisy, but I can't be bothered arguing with it.

[tommes 331]

Some of these people even designed the game in 2001 and designed third person to be a difficulty feature, they even designed the game, so server admins could make specific difficulty settings mandatory for anyone playing on their servers. They probably didn't realize people would willingly join servers with easy difficulty settings and complain about easy difficulty settings isn't hard difficulty settings.

Afaik Arma MP was designed mostly for coop agains AI. There enabling TPV makes stuff easier. This get's invalid for PvP though because the other side will use it as much. It makes PvP combat not really less difficult but much more ridiculous and common sense breaking.

So in DayZ you have AI (Zeds) and PvP combat. TPV makes combat a bit easier against Zeds and much more ridiculous against other players. Kind of the worst of two worlds.

[Jamz 253]

Everyone does give feedback if given the chance? Everyone has the chance to give feedback. Just register on reddit or the forums and you are good to go. But people don't do that. Casual players don't want to waste their time on that because they have also other interests. But as part of our hobby DayZ is kind of important to us. We invest a lot of time in it so we want it to be good. And we made actually polls which say that the huge majority does not want 3rd person. Stop crying, this is democracy. We made polls, we are arguering. Maybe Dean will hear us out, maybe he will not. But it is our right to tell him our opinion about this matter.

 

Now some of this I do agree with. The only point of this and all the other similar threads as far as I'm concerned is to show the level of interest about FPV/TPV, not to to decide which is 'best' but to show it is a point worth discussing. Although I use both views and would have no problem only playing in only FPV (as I've said before) I find myself having to protect the idea of trying to fix the exploits in TPV to keep it in, something that is important to me, from people who call for it's outright removal. I'm not against its removal, as long as it's the only way. As far as I am concerned (as you know) the actual poll results are irrelevant.

That's my opinion, as yours is above, and The SA and mod will proceed regardless. I trust the people behind it, they've done fine so far.

Edited September 2, 2013 by Jamz