First vs Third Person Discussion (Dslyecxi video)

[wild_man 4442]

 

 

 

 

I would hate to miss the opportunity to play DayZ when its released for something so petty. 

if you miss SA because no magic time wall hack is for sure you who is petty :P

[Tempus (DayZ) 1062]

if you miss SA because no magic time wall hack is for sure you who is petty :P

 

Did you not read what he wrote at all?

 

Hint:

 

I know for a fact that many people simply cannot play DayZ in 1st person, something to do with the head bob, FPS and the monitor hz.

I suffer from this and can only enjoy this game in 3rd person.

 

 

But alas, I forgot in your infinite wisdom you already considered this and responded to it in a thoughtful and tolerant way:

 

 

is no good true reason for explain why third person is good idea - to look on character, to make aware feel for environment, because first person make me feeling sick :o

is pure bullshits all this ones >:(

 

I'm sorry, I just don't seem to understand how people can be this ignorant and egocentric.

Edited August 27, 2013 by Tempus

[wild_man 4442]

look on character is possible in new inventory :P

make aware feel for environment is possible first person but need efforts for this

head bob, FOV and first person trouble is fix in SA :thumbsup:  :D

 

conclude - so use this reason for keep third person is pure bullshit

 

why no guys say honest 'IS BECAUSE I LIKE TOO MUCH SEE EVERYTHING BUT STAY HIDE FROM DANGER' :thumbsup:   :o

 

why all this 'it look nicer for me' - ' prefer see my player graphic'

 

i understand this reason but break game for put this shit???

 

is no brain answer, take off this baby feature :)

Edited August 27, 2013 by KoS

[terrvik 2409]

Genuine question: all you guys feeling sick in FPV; is this a problem specific to Arma/DayZ or every FPS out there?

If it is just Arma this needs to be fixed either way. I know I myself can feel ill on low framerates, so I understand this can be a problem. Especially on framelocked console games, like TLOU which made me dizzy a few times.

[RooBurger 285]

I agree nameplates = bad so I choose not to play on servers that have them , I will not demand that people who like nameplates be hung drawn and quarted for playing that way :)

 

 

Cool, now imagine what it would be like if you could never find a decent server with nameplates switched off. So you begrudgingly join. And then you start using that mechanic to find targets and rangefind so you aren't at a massive disadvantage, even though you hate it.

[SMLE 39]

Yeh you do mention that a bit.

 

The thing is IMO you're only partially right.  If true choice was indeed the way forward there'd be no point in them even attempting to make a game, they'd just say:

 

"well there's a computer, it has infinite possibilities so knock yourself out!"

 

Making a game is about good design and good design is as much about choosing what to omit from that design as it about what to include, more so in fact.  We rely in them as game designers to create a world/experience we want to be a part of, that's thier job and an important part of that job is actually limiting our choices in certain ways.  Games that try to please everyone all of the time usually fail because it's only by trying to focus the actual experience that you can make something truly worth playing.

 

If I go to a Chinese restaurant and see burgers and pizza on the menu then I'd leave.  Why would I do that if choice is always a good thing? Well because I went there for Chinese food and I'm relying on the restaurant owners knowledge and experience to offer me a good menu.  I want a menu with with choice but I'm also relying on the owners knowledge to refine my choice which will result in a better experience for me.  

 

In fact an overly large menu is usually the sign of a bad restaurant because it displays lack of focus and/or confidence in what they're serving.

Very true infinite choice is not practical in a game , this thread is about the pro's and cons of different views , if asked to choose between 1st or 3rd I would choose both which is what we have already , and everybody is happy .

Choice 99% fat free

[mars1 18]

I think its great rocket sees the larger issue here and is not blinded by , its what I think so it must be right !

 

3rd person is going to stay around because that's what people like to play on, see the list of 1st person only vs 3rd person servers and the popularity of them and try to remember its a business gents.  Just like the mod the standalone release is going to grow and change from the tightly controlled main hive data gathering alpha to a working beta, then I hope gold version.

Tons of changes to be made along the way with features and someone with some business sense is not going to hack off 80 % of the players because the 20 % don't like johnnybandit  not playing the way they want them too. 

 

At some point the standalone will have many servers up and I expect different options will be enabled, rookie, vet, and full on macho settings for the hardcore 20 % .

[RooBurger 285]

Genuine question: all you guys feeling sick in FPV; is this a problem specific to Arma/DayZ or every FPS out there?

If it is just Arma this needs to be fixed either way. I know I myself can feel ill on low framerates, so I understand this can be a problem. Especially on framelocked console games, like TLOU which made me dizzy a few times.

Some people get terribly ill playing the original DOOM.

[Fraggle (DayZ) 15720]

Very true infinite choice is not practical in a game , this thread is about the pro's and cons of different views , if asked to choose between 1st or 3rd I would choose both which is what we have already , and everybody is happy .

Choice 99% fat free

That's cool then.  So you're not against it being refined or do you like being able to look round corners without any risk to yourself?  Because for me that's a big issue in a game primarily about risk/reward.

 

If you genuinely like that as a feature then that's cool but just say it!  I honestly feel that some of the peeps that don't even want it refined are scraping around for ways to say they want it to stay without just speaking the truth which is that they like the feeling of security it gives them.  I have friends that play who's whole play-style involves using 3rd person cam to detect threats or scout positions etc .

 

The feature is there so they used it, now it's become a crutch and nobody likes their crutches being kicked out from under them.

[SMLE 39]

Cool, now imagine what it would be like if you could never find a decent server with nameplates switched off. So you begrudgingly join. And then you start using that mechanic to find targets and rangefind so you aren't at a massive disadvantage, even though you hate it.

I know what your saying I have been in situations like that and its not nice , hate is such a strong word if I hated it I wouldn't be there but if I could live with it I would play on . Unfortunatly life isn't always fair so that is why I consider letting people choose for themselves the better option .

such is life .

Choice now with vitamin C

[RooBurger 285]

I know what your saying I have been in situations like that and its not nice , hate is such a strong word if I hated it I wouldn't be there but if I could live with it I would play on . Unfortunatly life isn't always fair so that is why I consider letting people choose for themselves the better option .

such is life .

Choice now with vitamin C

 

So because choice is so important, I have no choice? Just accept it or leave the game?

[SMLE 39]

That's cool then.  So you're not against it being refined or do you like being able to look round corners without any risk to yourself?  Because for me that's a big issue in a game primarily about risk/reward.

 

If you genuinely like that as a feature then that's cool but just say it!  I honestly feel that some of the peeps that don't even want it refined are scraping around for ways to say they want it to stay without just speaking the truth which is that they like the feeling of security it gives them.  I have friends that play who's whole play-style involves using 3rd person cam to detect threats or scout positions etc .

 

The feature is there so they used it, now it's become a crutch and nobody likes their crutches being kicked out from under them.

Refined is good i'm all for it , some of what Mr Hall has said about stances effecting view is very interesting indeed but forcing 1st person view on people would be a mistake in my opinion . I think balance is the key here but also a gamble get it right he wins get it wrong.... well you know the rest .

3rd person view is the most popular because in my opinion Dayz has attracted mainstream MMO players unlike other first person shooters and they are used to 3rd person view its how they play .

So yes refined = good if you get it right .

Choice a cut above the rest

[SMLE 39]

So because choice is so important, I have no choice? Just accept it or leave the game?

Definatly NOT you do what you are doing now and try and get your voice heard , my opinion is no better or worse than yours let the powers that be decide .

Choice by appointment

[dgeesio 1034]

That's cool then.  So you're not against it being refined or do you like being able to look round corners without any risk to yourself?  Because for me that's a big issue in a game primarily about risk/reward.

 

If you genuinely like that as a feature then that's cool but just say it!  I honestly feel that some of the peeps that don't even want it refined are scraping around for ways to say they want it to stay without just speaking the truth which is that they like the feeling of security it gives them.  I have friends that play who's whole play-style involves using 3rd person cam to detect threats or scout positions etc .

 

The feature is there so they used it, now it's become a crutch and nobody likes their crutches being kicked out from under them.

thing is if the other person can do it you only have your self awareness to blame as you have the exact same . there is no unfairness everyone has the same.

 

oh he seen me over a wall ! so ! you can see him just the same ! :lol: you got killed becuase you didnt notice him not cause of 3rd person. if youd of been paying attention for eg you would of probably seen him.

 

so if you say you were playing 1st person that was your choice ! you have the option to use the same but you didnt. thats not anyones fault but the players.

 

 

its like saying he killed me with a sniper you chose a different gun but you had the option to use the same. players choices making differences whod a figured ;)

[Fraggle (DayZ) 15720]

thing is if the other person can do it you only have your self awareness to blame as you have the exact same . there is no unfairness everyone has the same.

 

oh he seen me over a wall ! so ! you can see him just the same ! :lol: you got killed becuase you didnt notice him not cause of 3rd person. if youd of been paying attention for eg you would of probably seen him.

 

so if you say you were playing 1st person that was your choice ! you have the option to use the same but you didnt. thats not anyones fault but the players.

 

 

its like saying he killed me with a sniper you chose a different gun but you had the option to use the same. players choices making differences whod a figured ;)

Nope.

 

If somebody's in a building using 3rd person cam to scope out a street I have no way of knowing.  There is literally nothing I can do, I just have to accept that behind every window in the game and on every roof there could be an invisible sniper because the gameplay mechanic is broken.  

 

Sure next time around I could be that guy but you're blind if you can't see how that's detrimental to gameplay.  Just admit you like having magical eyes because it makes you feel safe  :thumbsup:

 

Despite it being that broken some don't even want to see it fixed :/

 

Crazy.

Edited August 27, 2013 by Fraggle

[wild_man 4442]

 

 

Yet despite it being that broken some don't even want to see it fixed :/

 

Crazy.

don't be sad fraggle :)

 

for sure rocket know this, maybe is big pressure from money guys say 'keep this one rocket, is make nice Frankie video and sell games' >:(

 

but rocket know this is big chance for make game with pure integrity of original idea, he know this feature make dayz gameplay broken and take away 1000% more than is give for experience of players

[SMLE 39]

Nope.

 

If somebody's in a building using 3rd person cam to scope out a street I have no way of knowing.  There is literally nothing I can do, I just have to accept that behind every window in the game and on every roof there could be an invisible sniper because the gameplay mechanic is broken.  

 

Sure next time around I could be that guy but you're blind if you can't see how that's detrimental to gameplay.  Just admit you like having magical eyes because it makes you feel safe  :thumbsup:

 

Despite it being that broken some don't even want to see it fixed :/

 

Crazy.

Fraggle you can look at it this way if you like , don't modern armies have their "magic" eyes in the sky , drones and such like , have you seen some of the scout drones their using these days :)

Choice when only the best will do .

[amradude 289]

 

Despite it being that broken some don't even want to see it fixed :/

 

Crazy.

 

I don't think many 3rd person players are against refining TPV, i think both TPV & FPV need refining,Rockets solution (FPV prone/Zoom cam crouch) is a very good compromise and i welcome it.

 

To tell you the honest truth i never used 3rd person view as a exploit in the mod when i was playing,I would really use it for the extremely long runs you would have to go on if you didn't have a car/bike.To see how well i blended into grass and just to look at my character in 3rd person view.I accept that a small minority of people used it in bad ways.

 

But Rocket knows that a refined TPV is worth having in Day-Z SA, and most agree with him.

 

Someone needs to ask Rocket about having equal numbers of regular TPV/FPV servers and FPV only servers.I guarantee you if Rocket had equal numbers of both servers everyone would be happy and this wouldn't be a problem for anyone.

 

Everyone will have a choice.

Edited August 27, 2013 by SuperJesusDude

[Fraggle (DayZ) 15720]

Fraggle you can look at it this way if you like , don't modern armies have their "magic" eyes in the sky , drones and such like , have you seen some of the scout drones their using these days :)

Choice when only the best will do .

Stop trolling me lol

[wild_man 4442]

choice :huh:

 

this is lame argue for sure :D I make headshot on this one right now :thumbsup:

 

is too many bullshit thing happen with mod after give choice for community

 

example pay for win, 24 hours day without night, full gear fresh spawn. 10,000 helicopter server >:(    etc etc etc .....

 

is too many and 3rd person is same thing, guys who like this never realise is mistake for enjoy pure dayz experience same like Rocket imagine first time ;)

Edited August 27, 2013 by KoS

[amradude 289]

choice :huh:

 

this is lame argue for sure :D I make headshot on this one right now :thumbsup:

 

is too many bullshit thing happen with mod after give choice for community

 

 

Wow....ok

 

 

You are saying Rocket is wrong giving players the choice to be a bandit or a hero ?

 

You are saying Rocket is wrong when he gives players the choice to Kos ?

 

You are saying Rocket is dead wrong for letting players choose how they want to play in Day-Z ?

 

We aren't talking about the mod now, we are talking about Day-Z SA, Rocket wants to give players choices of how they play Day-Z.I don't think you will like Day-Z SA as it's really all about the choices you make in the game, and you hate choice with a passion.

Edited August 27, 2013 by SuperJesusDude

[wild_man 4442]

Wow....ok

 

 

You are saying Rocket is wrong giving players the choice to a bandit or a hero ?

 

You are saying Rocket is wrong when he gives players the choice to Kos ?

 

You are saying Rocket is dead wrong for letting players choose to how they want to play in Day-Z ?

 

We aren't talking about the mod now, we are talking about Day-Z SA, Rocket wants to give players choices of how they play Day-Z.I don't think you will like Day-Z SA as it's really all about the choices you make in the game, and you hate choice with a passion.

maybe is problem for you to read :huh:

 

explain me now please where I say Rocket is wrong??? >:(

 

come on please...I am wait.......

 

choice for in game play is personal, choice for game design is only for Rocket

Edited August 27, 2013 by KoS

[amradude 289]

choice for in game play is personal, choice for game design is only for Rocket

 

You do know that Rocket made the choice to have TPV refined and in the game for now don't you ? I don't know how you would miss it in this thread? So if you know what Rockets stance is on this as it's his choice,what are you talking about ? Rocket has the final say as everyone knows already.

 

Rocket gives us a choice, the choice that you don't like

Edited August 27, 2013 by SuperJesusDude

[wild_man 4442]

You do know that Rocket made the choice to have TPV refined and in the game for now don't you ? I don't know how you would miss it in this thread? So if you know what Rockets stance is on this as it's his choice,what are you talking about ? Rocket has the final say as everyone knows already.

 

I see you use all ammo and try throw empty gun on me :D

 

is ok, you miss and I have full mag ;)

 

this thread is make for discuss this issue, maybe rocket decide already what is happen, maybe no. Only rocket know this one.

 

My argue is only to stop 3rd person make SA something like mod like other things make mod stupid

 

Mod exist, is many things good and bad but for me 3rd person is bad for the game.

 

My argue is not weak one word bullshit like 'choice' :P

 

my argue is base on experience of use this system and life after I see light, like ex addict I have good qualify for see both side.

 

if you have some more point not repeat lame shit from before I listen but like real jesus behind image is nothing great :rolleyes:

[amradude 289]

I see you use all ammo and try throw empty gun on me :D

 

is ok, you miss and I have full mag ;)

 

this thread is make for discuss this issue, maybe rocket decide already what is happen, maybe no. Only rocket know this one.

 

My argue is only to stop 3rd person make SA something like mod like other things make mod stupid

 

Mod exist, is many things good and bad but for me 3rd person is bad for the game.

 

My argue is not weak one word bullshit like 'choice' :P

 

my argue is base on experience of use this system and life after I see light, like ex addict I have good qualify for see both side.

 

if you have some more point not repeat lame shit from before I listen but like real jesus behind image is nothing great :rolleyes:

 

I know English might not be your first language as you are missing simple basic points or you are trolling me good.

Edited August 27, 2013 by SuperJesusDude