applejaxc 2500 Posted August 14, 2013 but its anti-materiel potential is limited, according to wikipediaIt can shoot through car doors, windows, and wood, but concrete and metal are effective deflectors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lady Kyrah 1110 Posted August 14, 2013 I agree it is hard to destroy choppers but with a decent weapon (DMR, acog rifles and scoped weapons in general) you can shoot out the gunners and pilot quite easily. I Think the decision to remove the as50 and m107 was drastic, they were massively overpowered but instead of removing them, perhaps they could have been nerfed to something like 10000 blood damage. I don't really know if that is possible.What is this obsession people seems to have of shootting down flying machines with their rifle... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Statik (DayZ) 2695 Posted August 14, 2013 (edited) I'm going to say no. I agree they should add a diversity of long rifles, but adding in a .50 or .338 is too much. No-one would lug around a heavyasfuck .50 or .338 all day. Not to mention that after firing a .338 or .50 a few times, your shoulder is damn near done. You can take down a huey with a 7.62. Shoot the pilot (through the glass, or through the open doors from an angle), shoot out the engine, tail rotor, etc, etc. Nothing anti-material should be readded. But I would be all for a larger diversity of rifles. EDIT: I also think they should bump the damage that 7.62 does to players, because too many times I have seen someone take a DMR/M24, etc shot to the back or chest and keep running. Edited August 14, 2013 by Statik Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BenTheSecond 1 Posted August 14, 2013 As long as these new rifles, and more importantly there ammo was sufficiently rare that it wouldn't be worth killing a poorly armed player or taking a pot shot at a little bird on its way past I think they would be a reasonable addition, although they certainly should not be added until duping and hacking is fully under control. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thisisPyro 9 Posted August 14, 2013 Russia didn't have "Marksmans" before the 90's. They had semi automatic rifles because of hold over in design and lack of an automatic design that was up to their standards. The SVD was a very rare suggestion, but that's already outdated for being inaccurate trash. Really? Never heard of the Russian snipers in WW2? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thisisPyro 9 Posted August 14, 2013 I'm going to say no. I agree they should add a diversity of long rifles, but adding in a .50 or .338 is too much. No-one would lug around a heavyasfuck .50 or .338 all day. Not to mention that after firing a .338 or .50 a few times, your shoulder is damn near done. You can take down a huey with a 7.62. Shoot the pilot (through the glass, or through the open doors from an angle), shoot out the engine, tail rotor, etc, etc. Nothing anti-material should be readded. But I would be all for a larger diversity of rifles. EDIT: I also think they should bump the damage that 7.62 does to players, because too many times I have seen someone take a DMR/M24, etc shot to the back or chest and keep running.Bringing down a Huey takes a combination of a bad Huey pilot, a couple attackers, and top of the line gear. But what about the mil? The Mil 17's pilot can NOT be shot out by any gun,and the hull/rotor/engine are extremely tough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thisisPyro 9 Posted August 14, 2013 What is this obsession people seems to have of shootting down flying machines with their rifle...you don't find it silly that players can get fully operational military helicopters but asking for a rifle in a caliber above 7.62 is ridiculous? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skat3rat 1633 Posted August 14, 2013 The military Mils have bulletproof glass on the cockpit. Meaning you can not shoot the pilot out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0xzSGkDb0U just an example of how strong the armor is on a heli. Wrong. I have sniped a pilot out of the cockpit with an M24. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prominentalex 76 Posted August 14, 2013 Well this sounds familiar. Do keep in mind that private hives can re-enable any and all weapons within ARMA 2.The official change-log only affect the servers connected to the official DayZ Hive. (And those servers that decide not to change the values.) Unfortunately this is not true. DayZ forcefully bans many weapons. Yeah, the SVD Camo is in the game which is rare as fuck, but not the regular SVD as far as I know. It would be great if they made the DMR extremely rare and made a regular SVD with it's old spawn rate because right now you can find DMRs everywhere, and thats pretty bad considering it is one of the best sniper rifles in the mod. I have the normal SVD on my server & several other non-DayZ weapons - If anybody is interested in the server, you can check out the forum post - http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/144974-wolf-pack-dayz-server-crafting-clear-roads-no-fog-hero-bases-towingheli-lift-many-more-features-the-server-youve-been-looking-for/ Or join it directly at - 173.192.200.119:3357 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phL (DayZ) 63 Posted August 14, 2013 just remove helicopters frome the game. problem solved. and the crappy tent hiding partly too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dancing.Russian.Man 1631 Posted August 14, 2013 Unfortunately this is not true. DayZ forcefully bans many weapons.I have the normal SVD on my server & several other non-DayZ weaponsNow you're just confusing me.Are you misinformed, bad at explaining, or a hypocrite? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thisisPyro 9 Posted August 14, 2013 Wrong. I have sniped a pilot out of the cockpit with an M24.not a military mil. Maybe a Huey. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0xzSGkDb0U like three players trying to kill the pilot out of a non moving military mil and they are all geared. Even with good gear it is hard to take down a heli. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skat3rat 1633 Posted August 14, 2013 not a military mil. Maybe a Huey. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0xzSGkDb0U like three players trying to kill the pilot out of a non moving military mil and they are all geared. Even with good gear it is hard to take down a heli. Actually it really isn't that hard to take down a heli if you know what you're doing. Any chance that guy in the Mi17 was hacking? Because I myself have been hit by bullets while in the cockpit of an Mi17. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
applejaxc 2500 Posted August 14, 2013 Really? Never heard of the Russian snipers in WW2? "Sniper" is a generous term. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thisisPyro 9 Posted August 14, 2013 "Sniper" is a generous term.309 enemy kills including 36 dead German snipers all to one female Russian sniper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thisisPyro 9 Posted August 14, 2013 Actually it really isn't that hard to take down a heli if you know what you're doing. Any chance that guy in the Mi17 was hacking? Because I myself have been hit by bullets while in the cockpit of an Mi17.Mite have been a civilian MI 17 their glass is weaker. I have put 3 clips of SVD into one pilot seat of a mil taking off and nothing. I also put 4 rounds of m40 in another case into the pilot seat and nothing. I had a mil 17 try to land on my fortress where both me and a friend dumped 4 mags each of DMR into it. It was smoking but if still flew away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Statik (DayZ) 2695 Posted August 14, 2013 Bringing down a Huey takes a combination of a bad Huey pilot, a couple attackers, and top of the line gear. But what about the mil? The Mil 17's pilot can NOT be shot out by any gun,and the hull/rotor/engine are extremely tough.Blast a 240 through the window.Anti material rifles don't have a place. They're unpractical. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prominentalex 76 Posted August 14, 2013 (edited) Now you're just confusing me.Are you misinformed, bad at explaining, or a hypocrite? Sorry, I should of explained better... There are weapons that are allowed in DayZ, but just not in the loot tables. The normal SVD is not banned. So I can put it in my DayZ server. These are the unbanned weapons for DayZ 1.7.7.1 M9M9SDMakarovMakarovSDGrenadeLauncherRifleM16_baseM16A2M16A2GLm16a4m16a4_acgM16A4_GLM16A4_ACG_GLM24M40A3M240Mk_48M249M4A1M4A1_AimM4A1_Aim_camoM4SPRM4A1_RCO_GLM4A1_AIM_SD_camoM4A1_HWS_GL_SD_CamoM4A1_HWS_GLM4A1_HWS_GL_camoMP5SDMP5A5PKSVDSVD_CAMOLauncherPipeBombSmokeLauncherFlareLauncherM240_vehM240_veh_2M240_veh_MG_NestSEARCHLIGHTAK_BASEAKS_BASEAK_107_BASEAK_47_MAK_47_SAK_74AK_74_GLAK_107_kobraAK_107_GL_kobraAK_107_psoAKS_74_kobraAKS_74_psoAKS_74_URPK_74bizonbizon_silencedColt1911DMRM1014huntingriflePKT_2BAF_L2A1BAF_M240_vehBAF_L7A2BAF_L94A1BAF_static_GMGBAF_GMGL85A2_base_BAFBAF_L85A2_RIS_HoloBAF_L85A2_RIS_SUSATM242BCM240BC_vehSa61_EP1UZI_EP1revolver_EP1glock17_EP1M60A4_EP1Mk_48_DES_EP1M249_EP1M24_des_EP1SVD_des_EP1SVD_NSPU_EP1Sa58P_EP1Sa58V_EP1Sa58V_RCO_EP1Sa58V_CCO_EP1M4A3_CCO_EP1M4A3_RCO_GL_EP1AK_74_GL_kobraAKS_74FN_FALFN_FAL_ANPVS4G36C_camoG36A_camoG36K_camoG36CG36aG36KLeeEnfieldM14_EP1m240_scoped_EP1SCAR_L_BaseSCAR_L_CQC Edited August 14, 2013 by prominentalex Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thisisPyro 9 Posted August 14, 2013 Blast a 240 through the window.Anti material rifles don't have a place. They're unpractical.? unpractical as in every major army uses them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skat3rat 1633 Posted August 14, 2013 Mite have been a civilian MI 17 their glass is weaker. I have put 3 clips of SVD into one pilot seat of a mil taking off and nothing. I also put 4 rounds of m40 in another case into the pilot seat and nothing. I had a mil 17 try to land on my fortress where both me and a friend dumped 4 mags each of DMR into it. It was smoking but if still flew away. Nah, man, it was the regular military one. Sounds like you just have some bad luck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thisisPyro 9 Posted August 14, 2013 Nah, man, it was the regular military one. Sounds like you just have some bad luck.Bad luck twice, and captured on video once? That doesn't sound like bad luck that sounds like the glass is bulletproof. Plus I was on ts with the admin when they both happened, it wasnt hacking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fun With Flares 72 Posted August 14, 2013 ? unpractical as in every major army uses them?I think what he was trying to say is that he doesn't want them in the game because they'd be an easy answer to what is supposed to be a tough problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prominentalex 76 Posted August 14, 2013 Blast a 240 through the window.Anti material rifles don't have a place. They're unpractical. Neither is an M24 in Russian Chernarus, or all the other American Vehicles/Guns. And unlimited fuel for fuel tanks. Just for the sake of it, Anti-Material weapons should be re-added. My opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thisisPyro 9 Posted August 14, 2013 I think what he was trying to say is that he doesn't want them in the game because they'd be an easy answer to what is supposed to be a tough problem.Well is this a balance question or a realism question? In most fps, balance trumps realism but here realism is seen as important. So from realism yea there should be as 50s and m107s. What I am suggesting is a balance. There should be heavier caliber rifles but that doesn't mean choppers become easy mode to take down. You still need to hit the pilot or the rotor so either an extremely skilled shot or they were landing/taking off. Plus because it would be bolt action you couldn't spam fire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Statik (DayZ) 2695 Posted August 14, 2013 ? unpractical as in every major army uses them?But this isn't a military game. This is a survival simulator. No-body is going to lug around a .50 or a .338. Its unpractical in this scenario. I don't even think helis really have a place in this game, but that's IMO. Even so, they should be powerful. It shouldn't be "Wow, it's a Huey! Let me grab my 30+lbs gun and take it down". It should be "It's a Huey! Shit, run." 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites