50 cal crybabies

[onemeanls1z28 12]

so your complaint ent is that its overpowered and thats why we should remove it. hmmmm ok remove helicopters because a helicoptor with 2 gunners mowing down survivors with winchesters is alright again YOU dont like them but others have use for them. it serves no purpose for you so lets just remove it. yeah fuck that buddy

[onemeanls1z28 12]

the whole point of the game is to survive. like i said learn how to corner learn how to loot and 50s will not be a problem for you. removing anything to appease a certain side is complete horseshit

[St. Jimmy 1631]

Well if heli gunners can hit you then there's a really good chance that you can hit back because it's hard to shoot from heli if it's moving.

I'm not really asking for remove of the .50's. Just remove AS50 and bring up the vanilla M107 that doesn't give you a backpack.

[Fonebook 126]

If you won't respond to the argument that the .50 rifles go against the player experience desired when DayZ was conceived, then all you are doing is climbing on a soap box to preach.

Please, lets discuss.

EDIT: The guns are not over powered, it's just that so much fire power is out of place in this game. Removal != Nerf

Edited May 31, 2013 by Fonebook

[onemeanls1z28 12]

jimmy not true ive been killed by a chopper gunner from a good ways away and my little enfield didnt stand a chance

[Mos1ey 6301]

looks like an engine block to me, but yeah rotor assembly in an alice pack is legit. im not complaining about gameplay i like it the way it is. xyz is not an issue with me buddy its with you guys that get mad at snipers.

They're called 'engine parts' though, I always just think of the icon as an easily identifiable representation of what the item is anyway. TBH I wouldn't mind if helis were removed. Yes, it's fun to fly around but civilians being able to transport the parts, repair and fly a heli is a bit crazy...

Well the people that are just butthurt about being sniped are gonna realise pretty quickly that this isn't the answer to their prayers, lol. A competent sniper can still easily take you down with a DMR, even a Lee Enfield is bloody lethal in the right hands!

You don't see many posts saying "make it so I can't carry 4 wheels across Chernarus" though. It's always things that are rare and people think are OP.

TBH I wish they would... The problem is that I can't think of a way around it. Removing vehicles completely or just the need to repair them would be detrimental to the game and making it so that you need a vehicle to carry the parts to repair another vehicle is a bit 'Catch 22'. If someone could think up a decent solution to this I'd love to hear it and I'd love for it to be implemented in the game.

[onemeanls1z28 12]

i will respond, it doesnt go against MY player experience with the game and it goes against your player experience of the game. you can not vouch for anyone elses experience and if you can your a liar. it doesnt appease you and thats all. every player has a different experience and a different midset when playing this game, you have the shoot in sight players, the hunters, the survivors, the collectors, and the military syle players and countless others. just because it doesnt appease you doesnt give a valid reason to remove.

[St. Jimmy 1631]

jimmy not true ive been killed by a chopper gunner from a good ways away and my little enfield didnt stand a chance

Then you weren't cautious enough if they saw you that far away :D Ok I go to sleep.

[Fonebook 126]

What about the player experience desired when the game was conceived?

[onemeanls1z28 12]

The player experience when the game was conceived and the designers of said mod placed 2 types of 50 caliber rifles in the game. It's a survival game. Everyone has different game tactics whether it be sniping with a 50 or running the coast like a boss with a makarov. It's there choice. Not yours. Don't like 50 don't get seen dont like cars walk don't like helicopters don't fly. Simple. Do not remove aspects of the game because you don't like it.

[Mos1ey 6301]

DayZ was actually only intended as a tech demo for something that Rocket was doing with persistant worlds. Again, I don't think 'it was added to the game in the beginning therefore it should stay' is a very strong argument at the expense of achieving a more authentic survival experience.

[entspeak 374]

so your complaint ent is that its overpowered and thats why we should remove it. hmmmm ok remove helicopters because a helicoptor with 2 gunners mowing down survivors with winchesters is alright again YOU dont like them but others have use for them. it serves no purpose for you so lets just remove it. yeah fuck that buddy

I fail to see your point. In the normal version of DayZ - not the modified private hives, there are exactly two... two armed helis. The gunners can be killed with a winchester if in range of one and a good shot... not to mention, helis can be heard well before they have a target for the gunners to aim at. Apples and oranges, "buddy."

Yeah, it's over-powered, an easy weapon to kill with and serves no purpose... so, why not remove it?

Edited May 31, 2013 by entspeak

[onemeanls1z28 12]

An demanding its removal because a player doesn't not how to not be seen and keeps getting killed is not a valid reason or removal.

[BlksnshN 127]

I play on a server with 10 or so choppers and recently they recently removed the .50's. It's crappy.

[-Gews- 7443]

This is one of the few 12.7mm rifles I wouldn't mind seeing:

They'd have to introduce some kind of weight penalty first, though.

And I don't just mean for .50s, I mean for every object. Carrying two different types of M14 and ammunition is just as stupid as imitating Forrest Gump while holding a 30-lb anti-materiel rifle.

[thelonewarrior 886]

The real problem is that people are just scared they won't be able to snipe anymore

Hell, I've gotten kills with CZs and SVDs at up to 800m and been shot down by a dmr in 4 shots while flying a heli at full speed

Don't blame people for getting sniped from over 1000m away and say its their fault, that's blaming the victim when it's tr guy sitting on a hill that is causing the problem, he chooses to snipe them, you can't expect people to avoid every location as every city had many sniping spots not to mention the current fact that zombies appear so a guy 1000m away just goes hey look someone is near that town so I'm going to wait for an hour while he crawls around and shoot him as soon as he leaves

What do you expect people to do? Avoid doing anything at the coast and run straight to find heli crashes for an AS50 do they can be like you?

What a imagination you have there

Amazing!

They don't need to be removed, they need to be changed so they can only be fired prone and not semi auto as the kickback on something like that isn't capable of firing 10 rounds in rapid succession without hurting yourself or missing completely

And seriously?

Which is more important? Fixing a Godlike weapon or be ability to carry an unrealistic amount of engine parts

Yes the engine parts thing is stupid but it's by far more important to fix gameplay issues that unbalance the game

I like the AS50 but it's far to easy to kill with and needs to be fixed or removed

Most of the people who are whining are those that know that without it they won't get any kills due to lack of skill with any other weapon

A heli goes down easy enough with a dmr as you have a larger magazine and it still does a lot of damage

And do not assume that I want these weapons removed because I've been killed by them a lot, the only times I've been killed by them are from hackers or just randomly in the middle of the woods

I want them changed or removed because I've used them and know they are stupidly overpowered overpowered and all it does is encourage people to find one and grief people

Edited May 31, 2013 by Regulator Lone Warrior

[onemeanls1z28 12]

You don't know when it was added and Don't assume. Like I said te whiners. Will win because that's what most games do. A player gets owned by something and instead of adapting they whine and cry and just have it removed. Been like that for years with multiply games.

Sorry net on my phone directed to mlnz

Edited May 31, 2013 by onemeanls1z28

[entspeak 374]

I don't know when what was added... what am I assuming? And, I've never been shot by an AS-50 or an M107.

EDIT: after I posted this, onemean edited his post informing me that this wasn't directed at me. I'll assume this means he's got no response to my counter about his helicopter comparison.

Edited May 31, 2013 by entspeak

[onemeanls1z28 12]

Line warrier give me a fucking break. You don't know how I play or what I use so dot assume asshole. Like me. Really?? I play with a m14 over a 50 any day an I don't snipe Bambi's only bandits. And yes I expect survivors to take caution in a city. Never said avoid dipshit. Godlike my ass buddy. Your little ideas about prone is just repeating everything I have already posted 3+ times in this post alone. So either you didn't read or you just copied all the remedies I suggested.

[Zombie Jesus 723]

It truly is a moot point anyways, we are playing a mod where most servers are modified from the current patch. There will be plenty of servers that add guns to the loot table after (if) the next patch hits. So if they do go through with removing the .50 cal guns many servers will just add them to the loot table while other servers will play with the unmodified loot tables.

That is the beauty of the mod, there is variety.

This is one of the few 12.7mm rifles I wouldn't mind seeing:

They'd have to introduce some kind of weight penalty first, though.

And I don't just mean for .50s, I mean for every object. Carrying two different types of M14 and ammunition is just as stupid as imitating Forrest Gump while holding a 30-lb anti-materiel rifle.

What gun is that? Also I will fully admit I am that moron running around with a DMR and M14 in my pack even though I rarely snipe.

I do find it funny that I sound like I am defending guns I truly am not that fond of in the first place, I have always loved the M24 and SVD for sniping and even then I am way to impatient to be an effective sniper. I do agree that the AS50 is a terrible weapon though, it definitely could use some tweaks that make it an ineffective close quarter combat weapon.

[thelonewarrior 886]

I couldn't barely even read your post onemeanls due to lack of spelling but let's not go there

Good for you, I was agreeing with you on some if your points so I did read your posts but clearly your just here to argue regardless, and the post was aimed at everyone that's made these points

No need to be a dick

Chill out

Edited May 31, 2013 by Regulator Lone Warrior

[onemeanls1z28 12]

* [REMOVED] - M107 & AS50.

* [REMOVED] - Removed all military weapons with any attachment from loot tables.

So all military weapons with attachments are supposed to be removed. Hmmm m4 cco m14 aim anything suppressed. Wtf.

[thelonewarrior 886]

Actually I'm not sure but didn't they say they have scraped the removal of all military weapons without attachments until th crafting system Is sorted?

Not sure if I'm right but it would kinda suck to remove all those kind of weapons if there's no way to craft them yet as I'm sure razor said they have decided to wait for another patch to introduce crafting

[Zombie Jesus 723]

* [REMOVED] - M107 & AS50.

* [REMOVED] - Removed all military weapons with any attachment from loot tables.

So all military weapons with attachments are supposed to be removed. Hmmm m4 cco m14 aim anything suppressed. Wtf.

They canceled that due to the crafting system not being up to par. That was the plan (was not a huge fan of that plan), but now it is on hold.

Edit: Ninja post by Regulator Lone Warrior, KHAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!

Edited May 31, 2013 by Zombie Jesus

[fluxley 2228]

* [REMOVED] - M107 & AS50.

* [REMOVED] - Removed all military weapons with any attachment from loot tables.

So all military weapons with attachments are supposed to be removed. Hmmm m4 cco m14 aim anything suppressed. Wtf.

Nope, it says removed from the loot table, its part of the proposed crafting system that they are working on,

e.g, you find a standard M4A1, then you find a cco scope, then combine the two to get a M4A1 cco, its still work in progress.

Edited May 31, 2013 by Fluxley