Warning to SA's about the "DayZ AdminZ" forum.

[Yshido 34]

This is a forum that is advocating breaking the rules of DayZ openly.

They openly admit to kicking/banning players for being in possession of a hacked weapon, and they also admit to not posting their kicks/bans on this forum as required by the DayZ rules.

I do not agree with the current ruleset, but I have to follow it, and so do you.

I would recommend any admin not to join this ... "as-bad-as-hacker" Forum. ACtually not following given rules is actually worse than hacking, its admin abuse. And I'l take a hacker over an admin abuser any day.

Due to this hint i Am going to join this forum cause the DayZ rules are just stupid. Thanks mate!

[Gogster (DayZ) 626]

This is a forum that is advocating breaking the rules of DayZ openly.

They openly admit to kicking/banning players for being in possession of a hacked weapon, and they also admit to not posting their kicks/bans on this forum as required by the DayZ rules.

I do not agree with the current ruleset, but I have to follow it, and so do you.

I would recommend any admin not to join this ... "as-bad-as-hacker" Forum. ACtually not following given rules is actually worse than hacking, its admin abuse. And I'l take a hacker over an admin abuser any day.

It's a bit sad that you've come here and openly slagged us off, especially when a lot of what you have written is not true.

From my opinion your leaving the DayZ AdminZ forum went like this:

• A member posted a topic about some log file lines and asked whether they were cheats and could ban for them
  
• The first person to post on said topic said they were cheat lines and said the OP should ban
  
• Before any other replies were added you jumped on the topic, called the OP an abusive admin and that they "should have their server blacklisted"
  
• It was pointed out to you, in a PM, that the forums were for people to discuss the log lines and sometimes people will post things and be wrong or take an action which you may not agree with
  
• Other members then posted on the original topic that the log lines were OK and not to ban for them
  
• Unfortunately the topic has already derailed, I have to say, due to your attitude in the response in the post you put up
  
• Another PM to you stated that it is OK to disagree, but be respectful, calling for admins servers to be blacklisted was out of order
  
• You then sent a PM prior to that one having a chance to be sent asking for you to be removed from the forum
  

Lets get some facts straight, the DayZ AdminZ was set-up to help admins, not top down, but in a peer to peer scenario. Yes 3 people have 'administrator' status on the boards, but that is the same as any forums, someone has to take responsibility for administering the forums.

We don't promote the prolific banning of players, we promote the discussion of log file entries and the creation of checks for the scripts text files. It's particularly poor that you accuse of this, when the overriding opinion of several topics concerning log files has been "I don't know" and we have attempted to engage with someone like Dwarden to help clarify the situation.

The posting of bans on this forum is a waste of time. This is why we don't state this as a requirement of AdminZ rules, admins are free to send their bans to the Community Ban List (CBL) however the AdminZ ban list is up in the air as we don't have an effective tool for compiling and verification of bans at the moment.

Now to address some of the replies you've had to the post.

@Greg-UK4

If someone is being unprofessional then you should flag it to a moderator or admin, but let me say this, we're not children and this is a private forum - it was set-up with the express purpose of allowing admins to discuss cheaters and bans away from the mob mentality that exists here.

@peperonikiller

I'm confused about the issue of respect, aside from the OP of this topic throwing accusations of admins banning at a whim, point out to me on the AdminZ forums where someone isn't showing respect. Now I'm talking on our forums, if you're referring to this topic here then Stalker is pointing out something that occurs here and verifies why we set-up the forums. You cannot discuss admin issues here. Every man and his dog jumps on the topic with emotive language like "abusive admins" etc, DayZ seems to be unique in this position, I can't think of any other game where you have servers rented by private individuals where you can get away with such abuse of the server admin. Every other server instance to a man you'd just be banned and not have any come back whatsoever, and that's for things as trivial as not respecting admins etc...

We all know DayZ are struggling with the popularity of the mod, which is a good thing, however we will not stand around whilst cheaters run rampant on our servers. This is the whole ethos under which DayZ AdminZ was launched. It is not to allow the banning of innocent players, it is allow admins to decide on the best way to run their servers, with the non-existent help that comes from DayZ staff.

Running a community is hard. You have a soup of different personalities and not everyone will agree with what you say. That doesn't mean to say you should throw your toys out of the pram and spout untruths in another public forum.

Now I'm prepared to leave it at that, but if you continue your rhetoric and build on the lies you have printed here, I will copy the PM's that you sent and the forum posts you made, so people can make up their own minds.

Very poor show all round.

[andreasb 45]

@Gogster

"We don't promote the prolific banning of players, we promote the discussion of log file entries and the creation of checks for the scripts text files."

From what I saw, this isnt true. Telling someone to ban over a non-bannable offense is promoting rule breaking.

One user even openly told me in a thread that he doesnt post his kicks/bans here.

That IS breaking the current ruleset, and should end with a blacklist.

"The posting of bans on this forum is a waste of time"

SO WHAT? its a RULE laid down by DayZ staff! IF you dont follow it you SHOULD be blacklisted! Follow the fucking rules, yeah? Stop encouraging NOT doing so!

I dont remember what was in the specific post you mentioned first, but if I stated they should be blacklisted if banning, its most likely AGAINST _dayz rules_ (Which is the point here. DayZ rules override whatever you might THINK, FEEL, or WANT to be right.)

I agree that one should be able to ask about logs and such, but stick to the goddamn rules. If dayZ rules state you CANNOT ban for it, dont tell the user to ban for it.

Whatever your intention with that forum was, it HAS TO FOLLOW DAYZ RULES. Telling someone to ban without posting on these forums is...... Guess what..

BREAKING THE DAYZ RULES!

Let me just say, I do not agree with that rule at all. But it's there, and I have to follow it. And _SO_ do _YOU_.

Now, over to your reply to peperonikiller:

I agree that these forums are .. nowhere to discuss admin stuff. I'm wondering why DayZ doesnt have private forums here for us admins, which can only mean they dont want us discussing, and getting hackers banned across our servers. If they wanted that, we would have a private serveradmin section here.

You say that "ever man and his dog jumps on the topic with emotive language like 'abusive admins' etc".. DId you ever stop to consider that... Its because the admin IS ABUSING? Im not saying 100% of them are, but from what ive seen here, AND on dayz adminz forum.. ALOT of you are. I'm not joining an abuseclub.

"We all know DayZ are struggling with the popularity of the mod, which is a good thing, however we will not stand around whilst cheaters run rampant on our servers."

If you have PROOF that they hacked/scripted, then go ahead and ban. Possession is NOT a reason for banning, and doing so should get you blacklisted, untill the offcial rules state otherwise.

DayZ staff has said that possession is NOT bannable. Deal with it.

Sidetopic on possession: While I believe disruptive hacking to be a nono, there is such a thing as nondisruptive hacking.

Possession is mostly non-disruptive. I agree that an AS50TWS might be overpowered, but someone using a G36 doesnt really have any good advantages.

While I have a history of cheating in cod, bf3, bf2, mw2, Black ops, I will say this:

ArmA2 is the ONE game I wouldnt ever cheat in. It's the only game that hasnt made me wanna cheat, and as of such I dont want others cheating to ruining this game.

That being said. Some hackers do what we admins cant. They fuck up disruptive hackers as much as they can. Now thats a star in my book, even if they also are hacking.

That being said, those hackers deserve a ban too. Hacking is hacking, even though there are several types of hacking.

If you do the crime, you gotta do the time.

Edited August 31, 2012 by AndreasB

[Gogster (DayZ) 626]

While I have a history of cheating in cod, bf3, bf2, mw2, Black ops, I will say this:

ArmA2 is the ONE game I wouldnt ever cheat in. It's the only game that hasnt made me wanna cheat, and as of such I dont want others cheating to ruining this game.

That being said. Some hackers do what we admins cant. They fuck up disruptive hackers as much as they can. Now thats a star in my book, even if they also are hacking.

I think we have the real reason here.

Anyway, you are out and it seems the correct decision.

[andreasb 45]

I think we have the real reason here.

Anyway, you are out and it seems the correct decision.

No, not really. As stated, I might have done shady shit in other games, ArmA2 is NOT one of them. I dont really have to explain myself to you any more than I have.

I wanted out... lol I wouldnt want to be a member on a forum that promotes admin abuse, heh

[Gogster (DayZ) 626]

No, not really. As stated, I might have done shady shit in other games, ArmA2 is NOT one of them. I dont really have to explain myself to you any more than I have.

I wanted out... lol I wouldnt want to be a member on a forum that promotes admin abuse, heh

No you don't, but I've heard the "I've love this game too much to hack it" before. I guess on your own server, you are the only person looking at the log files.

"promotes admin abuse" - honestly, change the record. Someone with your background really shouldn't be flinging accusations around.

[andreasb 45]

No you don't, but I've heard the "I've love this game too much to hack it" before. I guess on your own server, you are the only person looking at the log files.

"promotes admin abuse" - honestly, change the record. Someone with your background really shouldn't be flinging accusations around.

Now you are insinuating that I hack on my own server? Better be real careful about making accusations like that.

You are welcome to look at the log files if you want to.

[Zoop 343]

Also, please show me where it says we have to post all our bans here? Because I never got the memo. If we had to post every single ban we make here, the forums would be overflowing with ban threads.

[Zoop 343]

Now you are insinuating that I hack on my own server? Better be real careful about making accusations like that.

You are welcome to look at the log files if you want to.

Seeing as most hacks bypass BattlEye, I don't see how that would do any good.

[andreasb 45]

Seeing as most hacks bypass BattlEye, I don't see how that would do any good.

He was the one saying I'm the only one that sees the logs.

I never have, or will hack in ArmA2.

[AADiC 182]

Also, please show me where it says we have to post all our bans here? Because I never got the memo. If we had to post every single ban we make here, the forums would be overflowing with ban threads.

It's in the official rules, i can't be bothered to find the link though as the rules are so out dated and in need of revising.

[AADiC 182]

He was the one saying I'm the only one that sees the logs.

I never have, or will hack in ArmA2.

But you did in other games. You ruined peoples playing experience there, but now all the sudden you are born again? I call shenanigans!!

[--------------- 24]

Well I dont ban for Tws's I do ban hackers and Alt F4 Pussy's...SO fill Free to Game on Because that's all

Edited August 31, 2012 by Wells73

[andreasb 45]

But you did in other games. You ruined peoples playing experience there, but now all the sudden you are born again? I call shenanigans!!

Who said I was born again? Theres hacking, and then theres disruptive hacking. I never did the latter kind.

Secondly, what I did say is that ArmA2 is the only game that doesnt make me want to hack.

[AADiC 182]

Who said I was born again? Theres hacking, and then theres disruptive hacking. I never did the latter kind.

Secondly, what I did say is that ArmA2 is the only game that doesnt make me want to hack.

This shows the extent of your character. Hacking is wrong, whether it is disruptive hacking or non disruptive hacking (don't really think there is a difference, but that's just me).

You shouldn't do it PERIOD. On one side you say it is ok to do it in other games, yet it's not ok to do it in Arma 2. Can't have it both ways, either you believe it is ok to do it or it's not ok.

[orwisch@web.de 13]

for this you should be blacklisted AndreasB!!! :P (just a running gag)

Edited August 31, 2012 by BlackBeret

[andreasb 45]

No doubt ;)

[andreasb 45]

This shows the extent of your character. Hacking is wrong, whether it is disruptive hacking or non disruptive hacking (don't really think there is a difference, but that's just me).

You shouldn't do it PERIOD. On one side you say it is ok to do it in other games, yet it's not ok to do it in Arma 2. Can't have it both ways, either you believe it is ok to do it or it's not ok.

One shouldnt drive over the speedlimit, one shouldnt this, one shouldnt that.

I agree with you that hacking is bad whether its disruptive hacking, or non-disruptive. But there IS a difference. You wont even notice most hackers, since they dont stand out. Hacking is hacking, but there is a difference.

Sure I can have it both ways! I feel like protecting ArmA2, I dont feel like protecting BF3. Also, making people whine in COD is SO much more fun than actually playing it. I normally just play under the radar though, but when someone whines, he gets my full attention for 30 minutes.

COD = very small map where you spawn on top of eachother, face it.. It's a game made for hacking.

[AADiC 182]

One shouldnt drive over the speedlimit, one shouldnt this, one shouldnt that.

I agree with you that hacking is bad whether its disruptive hacking, or non-disruptive. But there IS a difference. You wont even notice most hackers, since they dont stand out. Hacking is hacking, but there is a difference.

Sure I can have it both ways! I feel like protecting ArmA2, I dont feel like protecting BF3. Also, making people whine in COD is SO much more fun than actually playing it. I normally just play under the radar though, but when someone whines, he gets my full attention for 30 minutes.

COD = very small map where you spawn on top of eachother, face it.. It's a game made for hacking.

Hacking is hacking, period. If it was ok to do it, there would be no need for AC software.

You lack Integrity, why should anyone listen to you when it comes to "These are the rules, you HAVE to follow them", when you do not follow the rules?

Like I said you cannot have it both ways, either follow the rules all the time, everywhere, or don't, if you choose the latter (which you have), don't come in here and preach "You have to follow the rules"

[OrLoK 16185]

Hello there,

As you were one of the many breaking BF3 for me, I for one can't say your leaving any part of the community is a big loss.

Just because Arma doesn't make you want to hack, doesn't mean mean you won't in the future when A2 annoys you and you decide to change your ethos.

How about having respect for other players who may actually enjoy a game you do not and don't hack/script em?

As for people being careful about throwing around accusations, what on earth do you think you can do to stop people being suspicious of you?

You openly admit hacks/scripts in other games, why not this one?

Pah.

Rgds

LoK

[Zoop 343]

I still frequently play arcade shooters like BF3, and it's assholes like you who piss me off. Why do you have to ruin the game for everyone else? Saying "but I don't hack games like DayZ" doesn't excuse your hacking in other games. People pay good money to play games just so that assholes like you can ruin it.

If I were the DayZ devs, I would blacklist your server. Even if you're not hacking this game, there's something wrong when a self-proclaimed hacker runs a server for any game.

[andreasb 45]

Hello there,

As you were one of the many breaking BF3 for me, I for one can't say your leaving any part of the community is a big loss.

Just because Arma doesn't make you want to hack, doesn't mean mean you won't in the future when A2 annoys you and you decide to change your ethos.

How about having respect for other players who may actually enjoy a game you do not and don't hack/script em?

As for people being careful about throwing around accusations, what on earth do you think you can do to stop people being suspicious of you?

You openly admit hacks/scripts in other games, why not this one?

Pah.

Rgds

LoK

How excactly did i "break" BF3 for you? If we were on the same server, you wouldnt even notice me.

I've had A2 for several years, I doubt I'l suddenly get that feeling.

Where have I not had respect for said people?

I dont give a fuck what accusations people make. They should just know that one should have evidence before one goes around making accusations.

Why not this one? I'l tell you why...

Cause ArmA2 is the best fucking FPS game ever made, thats why. COD is like.. hardcore "spawn-on-top-of-eacother-TDM". ArmA2 is like.. Heaven :D (Only applies to the following mods/missions: ACE, ACRE, Warfare, Domination, and a few others)

I dont want "you" DayZ cod fuckers coming here fucking it up. I cant wait for the standalone to come so I can get rid of more than 50% of you. Though, if you do understand this ISNT cod, and you actually give warfare/domination a go, I'l accept you as a COD player. Fact is that most DayZ players wont even BOTHER trying anything else..

[andreasb 45]

I still frequently play arcade shooters like BF3, and it's assholes like you who piss me off. Why do you have to ruin the game for everyone else? Saying "but I don't hack games like DayZ" doesn't excuse your hacking in other games. People pay good money to play games just so that assholes like you can ruin it.

If I were the DayZ devs, I would blacklist your server. Even if you're not hacking this game, there's something wrong when a self-proclaimed hacker runs a server for any game.

Well fuck you. I havent ruined BF3 for anyone. Start reading before you go all whiny. I NEVER play disruptive. Unless you are an obvious disruptive hacker. Then I'l use 100% of my time fucking you up.

Get it in your fucking thick skull that DayZ IS NOT A GAME!! Its a MOD! Doesnt excuse it? Im sorry? They have SHIT to do with eachother.

Well luckily the DayZ devs have SOME sanity left, thats not a valid reason to blacklist me.

"there's something wrong when a self-proclaimed hacker runs a server for any game."

Are you mentally ill? You sound that way... Go fuck yourself.

[AADiC 182]

How excactly did i "break" BF3 for you? If we were on the same server, you wouldnt even notice me.

I've had A2 for several years, I doubt I'l suddenly get that feeling.

Where have I not had respect for said people?

I dont give a fuck what accusations people make. They should just know that one should have evidence before one goes around making accusations.

Why not this one? I'l tell you why...

Cause ArmA2 is the best fucking FPS game ever made, thats why. COD is like.. hardcore "spawn-on-top-of-eacother-TDM". ArmA2 is like.. Heaven :D (Only applies to the following mods/missions: ACE, ACRE, Warfare, Domination, and a few others)

I dont want "you" DayZ cod fuckers coming here fucking it up. I cant wait for the standalone to come so I can get rid of more than 50% of you. Though, if you do understand this ISNT cod, and you actually give warfare/domination a go, I'l accept you as a COD player. Fact is that most DayZ players wont even BOTHER trying anything else..

Well fuck you. I havent ruined BF3 for anyone. Start reading before you go all whiny. I NEVER play disruptive. Unless you are an obvious disruptive hacker. Then I'l use 100% of my time fucking you up.

Get it in your fucking thick skull that DayZ IS NOT A GAME!! Its a MOD! Doesnt excuse it? Im sorry? They have SHIT to do with eachother.

Well luckily the DayZ devs have SOME sanity left, thats not a valid reason to blacklist me.

"there's something wrong when a self-proclaimed hacker runs a server for any game."

Are you mentally ill? You sound that way... Go fuck yourself.

Hacking is hacking, period. If it was ok to do it, there would be no need for AC software.

You lack Integrity, why should anyone listen to you when it comes to "These are the rules, you HAVE to follow them", when you do not follow the rules?

Like I said you cannot have it both ways, either follow the rules all the time, everywhere, or don't, if you choose the latter (which you have), don't come in here and preach "You have to follow the rules"

[andreasb 45]

Hacking is hacking, period. If it was ok to do it, there would be no need for AC software.

You lack Integrity, why should anyone listen to you when it comes to "These are the rules, you HAVE to follow them", when you do not follow the rules?

Like I said you cannot have it both ways, either follow the rules all the time, everywhere, or don't, if you choose the latter (which you have), don't come in here and preach "You have to follow the rules"

Stop repeating yourself, you sound like a fucking broken record.

Can you please point me to where I dont follow DayZ rules? FUcktard...