Survivor Morals

[Biglet 1]

If Daz Z were real, where would you draw the line between surviving and banditry? Is it okay to stalk known bandits and steal their stuff?

[Dancing.Russian.Man 1631]

"Known bandits" wouldn't exist as there would be no way of getting the news around, besides between groups that meet up. And that would, at most, be around 20-30 people.

[nyk_nunya 40]

It would be like the wild west, you would have little towns and outposts that would circulate this kind of information, as well as a bounty hunter's board where local bandits and other undesirables would be listed to be dealt with.

[Cronic (DayZ) 35]

It's a big'ol question this & will take serious thought to answer it.

For now I can tell you that I would of died a long time ago (mainly because i hate beans) I'm in fact one of the horde trying to eat your face :)

Love the question & have my beans, i'll swop you for some pasta :)

Edited August 30, 2012 by Cronic

[Cronic (DayZ) 35]

The 'New' world will be dreadful place to live. Zombies are a problem yes, but people, people are the main danger. The people that have survived have probably seen some truly dreadful things. Lost family, seen them torn to shreds, seen them come back hungry for a piece of their flesh, pick your zombie flick. That's got to blur reality a tad. I say never underestimate the impact of seeing loved ones ripped to pieces on a mans sanity. Also never underestimate the primeval instinct to survive.

I know the answer to this question but 'Would you die for your wife/child etc'? 99% of people's immediate answer to that would be 'Fuck, yes'! But, but when it came down to it, that built in, that pre programmed instinct to survive, would that put you into some kind of autopilot? If it did then you'd have a serious internal conflict if you did turn & flee, a conflict I'm sure not many couldn't handle & therefor go totally mental.

But so far I've been thinking from a loner's perspective. Those will be the ones to stay the fuck away from.

As humans, we're very social creatures. Humans have got this knack of pulling together when the chips are down. As I'm English, WWII immediately springs to mind, we were bombed to fuck! But because all those poor people in the tube stations were in the same boat, strength was drawn from that, there was no longer class divide.

So pick you post apocolyptic film time. People will naturally gravitate to other people, mostly. But the luck, is in the lap of the gods who you come across first. The firm but fair leader of man, every man has his purpose type or, the fucked up, I'm going to throw into a pit of zombified children & if you survive use you as a fuckpuppet type.

My point to this ramble is. Up until the tipping point our 'civilized' society has taught us all it's idea of morality the moment you were born. But as soon as that order has been lost, when society takes the plunge & crumbles, the luxury of principles, morals? No, you gota do what you gota do. No time to hesitate. You got the shot? Take it & sleep well.

Edited August 30, 2012 by Cronic

[Steve.C 23]

I am Steve.C in-game.

I will not shoot unless force is escalated. I've changed from "I will not shoot unless shot at" due to one guy to whom I gave a gun.

I will shoot if you continue to point your weapon in my direction after being warned not to. I will never shoot prior to giving multiple verbal commands. Continued pointing in my direction indicates force escalation; if you look slightly away or holster your weapon I consider that a peaceful gesture and I will do the same; whether you have a hero skin, a ghillie suit or a shemagh, it makes no difference. Escalate force in any way and I will do my damnedest to drop you, be peaceful and I'll do my damnedest to help you. Please note that if you steal from my backpack, I will shoot you down without hesitation. Theft is a force escalation.

If I see a tent, I will always leave it be. If I see a vehicle in a non-spawn location, I will always leave it. If you ever see me near your tent, your contents are safe and, if it's empty, you may find food and extra ammo in it. I will never take the fruits of your labor.

As in real life, if I can help you without causing harm to myself, I will do it. If I've just eaten and have but one can of beans, and you are starving, you are welcome to it; I will find more before I starve. If you need medical help and I have extra morphine, a blood pack, a bandage or some steaks, I will help you in any way I can. If we're pinned down by snipers or others, I will provide cover fire so that we may get out of danger. If you're being chased by a pack of zombies, I will distract them so that you may evade or heal yourself.

My ethics are inflexible and are not changed by apocalypse. I tend to play zombie games because I find war reprehensible.

[☣BioHaze☣ 7337]

I do everything you say there, EXCEPT I will loot a tent for something I need, or take a vehicle if I don't already have my own.

The only tent I have griefed was full of hacked items.

Fact is, even if I take something from a tent, I often leave something in it's place.

[Biglet 1]

Tougher to be a survivor then? If you guys hadn't noticed, I've posted a similar question in the bandit camp: the general response is "I will kill you if I think I can profit from it/get away with it." But it gets more complicated for survivors with a code of ethics.

[jc984 3]

I am Steve.C in-game.

I will not shoot unless force is escalated. I've changed from "I will not shoot unless shot at" due to one guy to whom I gave a gun.

I will shoot if you continue to point your weapon in my direction after being warned not to. I will never shoot prior to giving multiple verbal commands. Continued pointing in my direction indicates force escalation; if you look slightly away or holster your weapon I consider that a peaceful gesture and I will do the same; whether you have a hero skin, a ghillie suit or a shemagh, it makes no difference. Escalate force in any way and I will do my damnedest to drop you, be peaceful and I'll do my damnedest to help you. Please note that if you steal from my backpack, I will shoot you down without hesitation. Theft is a force escalation.

If I see a tent, I will always leave it be. If I see a vehicle in a non-spawn location, I will always leave it. If you ever see me near your tent, your contents are safe and, if it's empty, you may find food and extra ammo in it. I will never take the fruits of your labor.

As in real life, if I can help you without causing harm to myself, I will do it. If I've just eaten and have but one can of beans, and you are starving, you are welcome to it; I will find more before I starve. If you need medical help and I have extra morphine, a blood pack, a bandage or some steaks, I will help you in any way I can. If we're pinned down by snipers or others, I will provide cover fire so that we may get out of danger. If you're being chased by a pack of zombies, I will distract them so that you may evade or heal yourself.

My ethics are inflexible and are not changed by apocalypse. I tend to play zombie games because I find war reprehensible.

Your playstyle is very similiar to mine, as i try not to shoot unless i have to. I especially don't shoot new spawn's because I find it unsporting to kill a unarmed player. No fun, I like to have a real firefight if I do.

Besides, I think there are enough bandits out there anyway :P

[Cronic (DayZ) 35]

I am Steve.C in-game.

I will not shoot unless force is escalated. I've changed from "I will not shoot unless shot at" due to one guy to whom I gave a gun.

I will shoot if you continue to point your weapon in my direction after being warned not to. I will never shoot prior to giving multiple verbal commands. Continued pointing in my direction indicates force escalation; if you look slightly away or holster your weapon I consider that a peaceful gesture and I will do the same; whether you have a hero skin, a ghillie suit or a shemagh, it makes no difference. Escalate force in any way and I will do my damnedest to drop you, be peaceful and I'll do my damnedest to help you. Please note that if you steal from my backpack, I will shoot you down without hesitation. Theft is a force escalation.

If I see a tent, I will always leave it be. If I see a vehicle in a non-spawn location, I will always leave it. If you ever see me near your tent, your contents are safe and, if it's empty, you may find food and extra ammo in it. I will never take the fruits of your labor.

As in real life, if I can help you without causing harm to myself, I will do it. If I've just eaten and have but one can of beans, and you are starving, you are welcome to it; I will find more before I starve. If you need medical help and I have extra morphine, a blood pack, a bandage or some steaks, I will help you in any way I can. If we're pinned down by snipers or others, I will provide cover fire so that we may get out of danger. If you're being chased by a pack of zombies, I will distract them so that you may evade or heal yourself.

My ethics are inflexible and are not changed by apocalypse. I tend to play zombie games because I find war reprehensible.

Fuck! If the apocolypse comes, I hope I meet you first dude. Bravo. Snack on these :)

[dutch_miller 159]

Copy and paste from my post in the "Bandit Morals" thread

It's different in real life because it is easy to survive on your own in DayZ. It's realistic, sure, but it's not realistic enough to base your opinion of real life survival.

Let me reiterate - if you base your survival strategy in a real apocalypse off of DayZ, you are an idiot.

There aren't going to be designated loot spots that reset. There's no unlimited sprinting. There won't be any guarantees of anything that we know exists in DayZ, aside from that we need food and water. You can't log out whenever you feel like it, you can't fix bones with morphine, and every medical problem will not be solved with a bandage and a blood bag. Chances are you'll have a hard time finding a gun if you don't own one already and ammo for it would be even more of a challenge.

Guns are not simple to use. Let alone sniper rifles. Your average (I don't want any ex-military badasses telling me how they can use any weapon they see to kill me from a thousand yards) person in an apocalypse I guarantee could hardly use a handgun. In DayZ, every player is already a combat trained veteran and has perfectly and permanently repaired, zeroed, and cleaned weapons.

And if they are in a close-combat life or death situation? Forget about it. That gun might as well be a club to hit themselves in the head with because they'd probably miss if they tried to shoot themselves.

Could you carry around an As50? Hell no. No person in their right mind would carry around a gun that weighs up to 60 pounds. And if they did they wouldn't get anywhere and they would almost never be able to use it effectively. Even an assault rifle like an AK is going to be heavy if you carry it with you at all times.

If you are intelligent, you realize that you aren't going to live long on your own. You would also know that even if you get a partner or two, chances are they won't last long either and then you'll be back to square one with nobody else to help you. Do you have to get over loss of human life to survive an apocalypse? Yes. Does it have to turn you in a sadistic sociopath? No.

Adding on to that is that fact that not everyone can do everything like you can in DayZ. Hey, who knows how to fix a car? Somebody have a toolbox and all purpose vehicle parts?

Was that guy a doctor? Aww shit, if would have been nice if I had known he could fix my leg before I shot him.

So you have to realize in a real apocalypse your chance of survival if your are alone is extremely low, and you would go insane without socialization with other people for such a long period of time. You'd lose your mind and that would be the point when you starting killing people on site because you are not longer rational and who knows what the hell else is wrong with you. Surviving with a group is the only real and logical way to do it in a real life apocalypse, so theoretically people would be much more willing to work as a group. Maybe not with strangers, but if you are alone a few potential friends will be a sight for sore eyes.

However, people will lose their minds in an apocalypse, and hopefully those people do not find guns.

I also think if you saw a survivor colony with a good amount of people in it your first instinct wouldn't be to grenade it.

Tl;DR "If you base your survival strategy in a real apocalypse off of DayZ, you are an idiot."