Death should really be the end.

[schrapple 119]

Before I start I understand that this probably isn't possible with the arma 2 engine, more an idea for the stand alone.

My suggestion is to make death for real. No more gear stashing, no more saved vehicles, no more getting your stuff back from your body or having a buddy pick it up for you. Once you die you start again at the coast with only the starting items and you will be unable to pick up anything you owned in your previous life. It will really add to the desperate survival aspect of the game.

Who's with me?

[TheDesigner 1197]

Just make camps for friends and vice versa, wouldn't work.

[bazbake 456]

You'd have to get rid of tents and vehicle storage.

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Actually, that would be really easy.

[Psyl3nt 125]

I do that anyway, I mainly play solo, when I die I just start over.

It's a good idea to do, it does make the game more fun in a lot of ways. Keeps the tension up, instead of "oh well, I'll just go back and get my stuff" .

[schrapple 119]

Just make camps for friends and vice versa, wouldn't work.

Easily fixed, anything left on the ground will vanish in a few minutes. You can only keep what you can carry. No more storing anyhting anywhere.

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

How about if you die, you are banned from this specific server for 24 hours?

[Zdudeski 10]

Considering the standalone is going to be quite difficult compared to what it is now according to the concepts Rocket's shared in interviews and what not .... I don't think this loot stashing is a problem or will be a problem in the future .

-It is very difficult to survive due to several new survival features and tweaks on zombies and or their numbers .

-Tent bugs where your gear resets in the tent every server restart will/should be fixed .

-Stamina system i'm expecting , so you can't sprint all the way to your camp . Takes more time to get to the stash/camp obviously.

-Items such as military weapons and equipment (Ex:NVG's) will become ever rarer.

^^^This is my informed speculation on the standalone ^^^

But with these things in the standalone I think we will value our characters life alot more than we do now because the loot is rare and survival is tough , so camps in the future Dayz will doubtfully be stocked with 4 pairs of NVG's , 3 Ghillee suits , a couple LMG's , AS50's , and several assault rifles with plenty of ammo, and entire tents full of medical supply's and :beans:'s . Unless of course your a coordinated bad ass team of gatherers I think future tent/camps will have very few supplies and hardly any spare guns .

[schrapple 119]

How about if you die, you are banned from this specific server for 24 hours?

I thought about that but being from AUS something like that could cause issues. We can only really play on local servers due to pings and we may not get that many servers. Being banned from one for a time could cause problems.

[Bizmal 19]

Before I start I understand that this probably isn't possible with the arma 2 engine, more an idea for the stand alone.

My suggestion is to make death for real. No more gear stashing, no more saved vehicles, no more getting your stuff back from your body or having a buddy pick it up for you. Once you die you start again at the coast with only the starting items and you will be unable to pick up anything you owned in your previous life. It will really add to the desperate survival aspect of the game.

Who's with me?

Yes I agree.

[TheDesigner 1197]

So now the suggestion is, you can't store anything anywhere to prevent people from regearing quickly. A really drastic change to gameplay to appease a minority. I'd rather they just fix duping instead of this, because then any items you stored were found by hard-work.

[DemonGroover 8836]

Ultra hardcore mode = You buy the game, you get one life.

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

Problem is that between being robbed of all your gear and dying, it's the same thing. There is no mechanic currently to make staying alive valuable. Most players will fight to death because they can't lose MORE by dying than what they can lose if robbed.

[aCiDx (DayZ) 0]

Idk, maybe impliment this in a hardcore mode. Why would you want this to be so much harder? I think it's difficult enough, and constantly scavenging for beans is just miserable. Idk why anyone would want to make it worse.

[bazbake 456]

Idk, maybe impliment this in a hardcore mode. Why would you want this to be so much harder? I think it's difficult enough, and constantly scavenging for beans is just miserable. Idk why anyone would want to make it worse.

You signed up for permadeath. Why were you playing this game in the first place unless you explicitly agreed that you would lose everything when you died? What happened between you starting to play this game and right this second? What changed...other than the comfort of training wheels and a parachute.

Not that it matters because it's obvious that you are terrified of actual permadeath, which is proof that this game needs to reinstate it. It's exactly the sort of thing this game needs to make everyone panic every second of the day.

[Mos1ey 6301]

Yeah, I think they should get rid of tents and probably vehicle storage, or just have vehicles automatically respawn every 24 hours or something. You shouldn't be able to loot your own corpse either, your friends should have to pick up as much as they can carry and meet up with you later.

[xxblink 66]

Ultra hardcore mode = You buy the game, you get one life.

And knowing my luck, I would spawn on the coast of Elektra my one life and BAM! Hit by snipers.

[derkb 8]

And the next step is you have to buy a new copy of the game to ever play again?

Guys, realy what is your big problem with this? If i get shot and the guy does not loot or hide my old char, his problem.

Why should i not be able to loot me, everyone else can loot my damn old char, why not me?

Sure i know were i got killed, but well what does that change? Nothing!

Taking away the ability to store something and prepare is taking away a big point of the game, it does not matter if i die or not. Cause even if i would loose all my gear, hell i would not have to search long for replacement to be were i like to be again.

Sure i would not have the mil grade stuff, but that is not that hard to get if you know were to search for it.

The current systems works fine, i do not get the point why you try to limit it.

If you do not like to store things, your point, go on and play it that way, but let the ones that like to prepare do it, cause what else would i do with the time i now have?

Right i go down the coast, kill everything i find on the way down there and back up or get to a hot-spot and search for players only to kill them, cause why should i prepare for the future when i know i will loose all of the stuff i did stash?

Taking this away will make things worse, only the guys that like running around in big city´s still will have there fun and die over and over again, but that is not how i like to play the game and most of the guys i know do not like that way too, we even do not like to go for some kills, no need to waste a shot for nothing.

But well if we can not do the other things to prepare for a bad day, well only real way to get some stuff is killing other players, cause searching for it myself? No need to waste my time if a bullet can do the job faster then me searching and walking around, risking getting shot.

Rocket sayed in a interview he plans on more endgame content like adding underground bases and such, that is what i am waiting for, cause if there is one thing you will do in a messed up world like this, you start to prepare yourself and if in a group your group for the things to come.

So if i could not store things for me and my friends, what real goal is left? Only the kill numbers in the debug monitor are left, thats all at the end.

Edited August 21, 2012 by WorkingOnIt

[aCiDx (DayZ) 0]

Well maybe it's just because I like RPGs, put in work to get a reward, not work on a character for 10 days to get sniped and have to start over. I think starting on the coast with nothing is enough of a setback. Anyway, rocket already said he wants to focus more on setting up and crafting, and I'd definitely like to see that too. There's no reason we can't all get what we want. The ability to have a hardcore char and a regular or something (that way you couldnt gear up in normal then swap to HC, etc.) It's not like I rage over losing all my gear, but it'd be nice to be able to get set up, and not lose it all over something stupid.

[bazbake 456]

@WorkingOnIt

Or you could just, I don't know...try not to die. Permadeath is harsh, that's why it was put in the game. You're dodging the fundamental basis upon which this game was designed and then saying, "Well, go play your way. I've designed a game that I found fun which allows me to get as much gear as I want and keep it forever."

Seriously? You don't see why this is an issue?

[Wiley 49]

The difference is, (once they solve the storage flakiness) that tent is available for anybody to loot. Passersby can take what they like from your tent if they find it. You're not guaranteed to come back and find your stash intact.

Rocket has pretty much said, 'We provide the tools. It's up to you to do what you like with them.' It seems to me that includes tents.

What I wouldn't mind seeing done with tents is, if the person who placed it (and only that person) doesn't save it every 7 days, it vanishes. Further to this, once you die, you lose the ability to save that tent and it goes away 7 days after its last save.

[Nalyid 28]

Bad Idea is bad. Good suggestion though, hope it never happens.

Does this mean, that nobody can loot your body, or just you? That would not work in my opinion, if others can find and loot the body why not you?

[Yatagan 62]

Much simpler solution, when you die you're banned from the server for 24-72 hours. That way a bunch of other people have a fair go at your stuff.

Of course clans can always just move and resupply you, that will be far harder to solve.

[ZedsDeadBaby 2287]

You'd have to get rid of tents and vehicle storage.

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Actually, that would be really easy.

And completely retarded, and a total undermining of cooperative play, long-term goals, player structure building, squad mechanics and a host of other things as I have explained to you in gruesome detail in countless other threads though it seems to have no effect on you showing up in every one of these fucking discussions spouting the same garbage.

You're dodging the fundamental basis upon which this game was designed

No. The acquisition of gear is not "fundamental" to the game. It's loss is not "fundamental" to death and maintaining it through lives does not violate anything "fundamental" about the game.

You are the one who misunderstands what this game is about. Not those who utilize storage. You.

Edited August 21, 2012 by ZedsDeadBaby

[SkrooLoose (DayZ) 143]

Why should i not be able to loot me, everyone else can loot my damn old char, why not me?

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Sure i know were i got killed, but well what does that change? Nothing!

Yes, you got killed and it should change EVERYTHING. DayZ is meant to be a sim and death should be PERMANENT.

How can it be permanent if you spawn a new character and that new character "magically" knows right where to run to for the dead character's body or tent? In real life, you wouldn't know right where to run and re-gear, so it shouldn't be that way in this sim, either.

My vote is if you die, then your tents and/or vehicles die with you. As for the gear on your dead body, it SHOULD be available for others to loot, but not you yourself.

[bazbake 456]

And completely retarded, and a total undermining of cooperative play, long-term goals, player structure building, squad mechanics and a host of other things as I have explained to you in gruesome detail in countless other threads though it seems to have no effect on you showing up in every one of these fucking discussions spouting the same garbage.

This doesn't have to get personal, but you are obviously someone who is afraid to play the game. There is nothing stopping you from cooperating with other players. There is nothing stopping your medic from carrying a rifle, 30 healing supplies, and 10 cans of food and soda. And he'll probably never use all of it. There is nothing stopping your mechanic from carrying two primary weapons, three wheels, and a jerry can just in case. There is nothing stopping a squad of players from dividing their loadout and traveling the world as a team with everything that team needs to survive and stay alive.

And don't get me started on vehicles. How would removing vehicle storage hinder your ability to repair vehicles? I'm absolutely curious.

The reason I haven't been convinced by you yet and generally try to ignore you is because your biggest complaint is, "But then if I die I have to start all over again!"

What do you think permadeath means!? Hey, here's an idea -- don't die. What game do you think you're playing? This isn't World of Warcraft. There's no purple gear. There's nothing you can't find in 8 hours of gametime and no max-damage weapon you can't find in 4. And if you desperately need to stay heavily geared, then shoot someone and wear your bandit face because it's obvious you're afraid to handle the type of gameplay that 100,000 new players deal with every week stumbling blindly and cluelessly through a world they can barely comprehend.

Of course, according to the numerous polls on this forum, most people find your position to be unmoving. Not many people will take you seriously. Probably because they knew what they signed up for.

No. The acquisition of gear is not "fundamental" to the game. It's loss is not "fundamental" to death and maintaining it through lives does not violate anything "fundamental" about the game.

You are the one who misunderstands what this game is about. Not those who utilize storage. You.

LOL, yeah. I just finished watching a gamescom interview where Rocket pointed out that starting on the beach alone and disoriented is "fundamental" to the gameplay. You found a way around the point of the game, but that doesn't mean you're entitled to keep things the way they are.

If you die you should be totally fucked. That's how the game was designed. That's the point of permadeath. That's what the word means -- you're dead, sucks to be you.

If you take out the "you're dead, sucks to be you" then what you have is Planetside with zombies.

Hopefully, you take what I said to heart and cease begging me to tear into you again for being someone so afraid of playing a game that involves permadeath that you have to exploit storage to get around it wrapping yourself in the comfort of safe, easily accessible loot.

That's really what this comes down to. You can't handle permadeath. You will scream and rant every time someone even mentions imposing it upon you. You hyperventilate and use words like "retarded" and "insane" when someone merely suggests it because it is the one change to the game that you find unfathomable and unbearable...even though you signed up for it.