For the love of god please remove the knock out mechanic

[Izziee 128]

Some girl with a pistol just knocked me out in a couple shots even though I out geared her badly. I still had like 10,000 blood but I had to wait there for 30 seconds while she took my own gun and shot me with it. Other times I have got into big fire fights where I went down to 800 blood but never got knocked out. This is game breaking and makes me want to quit the game because I know I'm always only a couple lucky shots away from getting knocked out and losing all my hard earned stuff. It takes the skill out of the game in my opinion I just want some consistency.

Let's say I had a glock and you had a chaingun IRL and I shot you in the face, you're saying you wouldn't get knocked out because your gun is better?

You speak about skill, but is it skillful to out gun someone and win? Is it skillful to be a bush wookie hiding in the tree's picking off undergeared, fresh spawns? Is it skillful to team up against a loner? Would you have felt skilled beating this undergeared person?

Skill doesn't come into it. Life isn't fair, that's far more realistic. Besides, if she only had a pistol then her range would have only been 50/75m yet you let her get close to you while you had the better equipment. Nothing wrong with the game here.

Not to mention, we only got your word on what ACTUALLY happened and no real proof. People always seem to miss out important little details or forget to mention them.

[grindstone50k 208]

No

But a pistol shouldn't give you superior fighting capabilities over say an assault rifle just because one bullet happened to be a random KO hit

Pistols vs. rifles is all fine and dandy on paper, but as for 'superior fighting capabilities', that is totally dependent on the user. Give a noob an M249, and you have a noob with an M249, not a superior fighting machine. Give an experienced veteran a pistol, and you have a real threat.

Yes, bullets can knock you out. As you said, this is MilSim, not an MMO. A random .22LR can kill IRL. It's part of the randomness of life.

[alan.dougherty@ntlworld.com 24]

That's more about the optic on the gun than the gun itself.

Would you rather have a Makarov or an M1014? How about Makarov vs M14?

Again, I'd rather have a pistol or an mp5 inside a bullding.. the point was that the OP gave NO details on the situation.. he got owned buy a girl with a pistol while 'better geared'...

I'd be 'better geared' inside a building with an axe than the OP with a 50 cal.. see where this is going? The flames are coming because the OP is incapable of giving details of the incident, but still finds it accepctable to bitch on the forums about being owned, while he was 'better geared'...

Oxymoron at it's finest.. the emphasis being on the moron part, in this case.

Have a nice day..

[orb917@hotmail.com 117]

i'm not sure people are accounting for how easy it is to get one hit ko'ed in real life. all it takes is one good shot to the right spot (the vagus nerve, aka the button for example) and out you go. the random chance seems pretty reasonable, and should keep the fear of death in you at all times. also, someone with a pistol who applies superior tactics or aim should be able to take out someone who has better gear.

[LastShenanigan 8]

Solid WoW attitude there, "I had better stuff, I should've won that! Now I've lost my hard earned loot!" Part of the reason I like Dayz is because anyone with a gun can bring down anyone else. You say collapsing from being shot by a gun takes the skill out of the game? Shoot first next time? Everyone on an even playing field encourages skill. Getting knocked out and losing your gear are both part of the gameplay and more something to expect rather then fear. If they ever implimented a system where the better geared player always wins I'd be done with Dayz.

[cainhawk 1]

Alot of people are missing the point the op was commenting on consistancy.

Of course guns irl would kill you this isnt real life your not just going to build a helicopter from a tool shed either or break your leg 6x and keep on trucking forever with morphine.

Instead something like a chance to pass for out if your bleeding or not being able to run or sprint when bleeding would still give someone with the jump an edge but not completly take away all chances to fight back. This would also make being swarmed by zombies more of a threat not being able to just sprint to a building to ditch them or bandage if they proc a bleed on you.

[Falcrist 119]

Again, I'd rather have a pistol or an mp5 inside a bullding.

In this game? I'd take a rifle every time over a pistol. The game treats your character model the same regardless of weather you're holding a 1911 or a M107.

In real life, you're going to have extra deployment time and maneuverability issues with a long gun vs a pistol, but in DayZ there is no such disadvantage.

[TheLoneRanger (DayZ) 22]

from DayZ wiki:

Causes of being Unconscious:

• A very large amount of lethal damage. (most rifles, sniper rifles, and high military-graded weapons)
  
• Dropping below 3000 blood will cause the player to drift in and out of consciousness (there is a 1 in 100 chance for this, and it is rolled once every second in the game).
  
• Logging in with the Shock condition.
  
• Being hit by a zombie with less than 9000 blood.
  

Someone's telling tall tales

Something changed, whether intended or not. Me and my friends have been knocked out today with more than 9000 blood, and its occurring more often. Zombies have definitely been buffed.

As a side note, I was knocked out by an Enfield in the back at the NE Airfield, and I guess he thought i was dead. When I came to I unloaded everything I had into him and won :)

[thievery 7]

I didn't like it when I was axe murdered while I had and M16, and was almost ALMOST able to turn around and blow the other player away. I was very, very angry. But I didn't blame the mechanics of the game. After every death I ask what I did wrong (after the ranting and raving of course) and what the other player did right. Sometimes I chalk it up to dumb luck and in that case I just needed to be more careful, but every time I've kept my player alive longer than I did the last time. Just learn from the death from your death op and remember it's just a game. And if they just got lucky then shit happens.

As far as getting knocked unconscious is concerned, yes I hate it but I don't want it to go just for the sake of realism. And no I'm not a realism freak who thinks there needs to be a piss, shit, and masturbation meter, but some games need more realism than others and I think DayZ has struck a perfect chord for this type of game. I'm not sure about the whole 9,000 12,000 blood dilemma but I don't see a reason any perfectly healthy person (a person with 12,000 blood in this case) wouldn't be knocked out by a well placed bullet or punch. If it's zombie you can usually recover in time before dying anyways so I don't see why getting knocked out at 12,000 blood would be a big deal. Personally, I think the pistols are wayyyyy too weak as far as this instance is concerned.

[infi 62]

Shit, sorry for the necro.

But anyways, I'm quitting because of this bs. This has been happening a lot to me lately. When in a fair fire fight, where I out gun the opponent, I get knocked out 90%(No bullshit) of the time by every single weapon, from Makarov to AS-50. Just had my last straw fighting in Boye on Taviana map, with ping of about 32 most of the time. This happened to be 4 times in a row today even though I had the element of surprise, first shot etc. I shot a guy in the neck about 5 times, 10 meters away with an M4A1 CCO, the guy just stands there, does one to two shots at me with a Makarov, I fall down unconscious with about 9,000 blood left, while he is squirting blood from multiple upper body wounds. He just calmly walks over, shoots me in the head and trolls away.

I began playing this game in May, when it first release when there was only like 5-10 servers. For some reason this desync, bs or w/e is happening started about 2 months ago. Anyways. here is to waiting for Dayz standalone, where I hope this idiocy won't happen. Because wtf is the point to keep playing if you're doing everything right and by the numbers and still get your ass killed in the stupidest of ways. Most of my deaths occur from this now, hackers, and stupid bugs where you break your legs and die like you stepped on a floor made of AIDS.

Anyone else having this problem?

Edited March 3, 2013 by infi

[Siberian (DayZ) 527]

so u mad bro, dieing to someone who you out-geared ??

WoW is that way--->

theres nothing wrong with the mechanic AT ALL...

LOL didnt even notice this was a necro.. ohwell point still stands.

Edited March 3, 2013 by Siberian

[infi 62]

so u mad bro, dieing to someone who you out-geared ??

WoW is that way--->

theres nothing wrong with the mechanic AT ALL...

Yeah, I kinda am.

Like I said, it doesn't matter what weapon I have, or what advantage I have(element of surprise, first shot), I still get knocked out 90% of the time. This started happening recently, for some reason. Right now it's just retarded. If you think it's fair after you read my previous post then you probably have a chromosome missing.

[rocky46 16]

If they won't remove the knock out mechanic then the only other solution is to join the other snipers in the trees I suppose. I would rather not play like a coward but I will if it's the only real option.

So fricken melodramatic jeez you gonna camp like a sniper troll coward noob and spoil your own gameplay experience just because you went Unconscious, its just bad luck, it happens. its harsh, theres no saftey net game mechanics here....for f**k sake read this and shut your whining

What DayZ

really

is about:

Here

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here

[rocky46 16]

Yeah, I kinda am.

Like I said, it doesn't matter what weapon I have, or what advantage I have(element of surprise, first shot), I still get knocked out 90% of the time. This started happening recently, for some reason. Right now it's just retarded. If you think it's fair after you read my previous post then you probably have a chromosome missing.

Gear != Win ...... Skill/tactic = Win

[DubPlate 38]

Dont get popped in the head with a makey then.

[infi 62]

Gear != Win ...... Skill/tactic = Win

Like I implied, this bullshit trumps skill/tactics. I already pointed out that I get knocked out even when I have the tactical advantage. And it wasn't so bad before, I kicked ass all the time. Now, even when I make 10 shots on them, they just stand there, shoot me once with the most shitty weapon possible, I fall down, the run over and finish me off. And 80% of the time my legs are broken after these shots. I just don't get it. It's like all of a sudden my computer make the probability to get knocked out and my legs broken to shit by 2 out of 3 times. It's so frustrating now. I move correctly, I attack correctly, but when the engagements comes, the game is like "lol fuck you bro".

Here is a video I made a month ago. Tell me this isn't bullshit. This has happened to me like 10 times since then.

Raging Russian incoming lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCchbieGa2A

Edited March 4, 2013 by infi

[DazTroyer 227]

At OP, oh how I laughed... :P

[Pandema 352]

tl;dr I got outplayed and want the mechanic taken out.

Lemme ask you, if I shot you three times in the chest with a 9mm at close range would you get right back up and shoot me? No, you'd be on the ground dead/dieing because I shot you three times in the chest with a 9mm at close range.

Yeah, I kinda am.

Like I said, it doesn't matter what weapon I have, or what advantage I have(element of surprise, first shot), I still get knocked out 90% of the time. This started happening recently, for some reason. Right now it's just retarded. If you think it's fair after you read my previous post then you probably have a chromosome missing.

You get the element of surprise and still get knocked on your ass? What exactly counts as "geared" to you?

Edited March 4, 2013 by Pandema

[Hetstaine 10852]

and die like you stepped on a floor made of AIDS.

Anyone else having this problem?

I knew a girl at school who made a hadbag out of chuppa chupp wrappers once.

[Bribase 251]

Infi, your posts are making it sound like the game is giving everyone else the advantage over you. Do you see how unreasonable that sounds? Do you understand that the weapons in game are just as effective for you as they are for everyone else?

You could also try to be constructive and give us a realistic idea of how many times you think a person could be shot in the chest without being incapacitated. My guess is twice with any calibre weapon. The fact that you were holding military spec assault rifle wouldn't make much difference don't you think?

Edited March 4, 2013 by Bribase

[Hetstaine 10852]

I would think once in my chest and i would be pretty well fucked :)

[Siberian (DayZ) 527]

Like I implied, this bullshit trumps skill/tactics. I already pointed out that I get knocked out even when I have the tactical advantage. And it wasn't so bad before, I kicked ass all the time. Now, even when I make 10 shots on them, they just stand there, shoot me once with the most shitty weapon possible, I fall down, the run over and finish me off. And 80% of the time my legs are broken after these shots. I just don't get it. It's like all of a sudden my computer make the probability to get knocked out and my legs broken to shit by 2 out of 3 times. It's so frustrating now. I move correctly, I attack correctly, but when the engagements comes, the game is like "lol fuck you bro".

Here is a video I made a month ago. Tell me this isn't bullshit. This has happened to me like 10 times since then.

Raging Russian incoming lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCchbieGa2A

WTF ? u got shot the fuck up, cuz u had no idea were it was coming from..

and ur crying..

hahahaah....

[Django-x 9]

I've been knocked at many times, especially at crucial times where I would be yelling at my character to "get up!", but even though it can be annoying, its the way the game is. If I have to eat, drink, stay warm, fix broken legs, get blood transfusions, then I'm going to expect to get knocked out and to bleed out, which is why I love this game.

I rarely get knocked out due to a bug of sorts, when I do its because I did something stupid; i.e running around cherno with a trail of zombies checking loot. I deserve to die and get knocked out for doing that, these mechanics teach me valuable lessons whilst playing.

[infi 62]

WTF ? u got shot the fuck up, cuz u had no idea were it was coming from..

and ur crying..

hahahaah....

Are you fucking blind? Watch the beginning. What is it with retards on dayz forums these days?

[floogy (DayZ) 25]

Are you fucking blind? Watch the beginning. What is it with retards on dayz forums these days?

No, we're not blind. You missed someone because you were switching views like you were having a seizure instead of following up on your shots. You ran out from cover into the MIDDLE of an empty lot and were shot and killed because you didn't check your corners or stay behind cover. You suck bro, but it's ok, I suck at PVP too. But I don't post youtube videos of my epic fails and cry into my milk about it.

As to the OP, same thing. Maybe you don't suck but made a mistake and someone got the drop on you. Oh well.

It's a free mod, feel 'free' (pun intended) to stop playing anytime. If I ever get sick of this game that's what I'll do.