Third person vs First person view

[kaylo 11]

when standalone comes out with a slider for fov which stops 99% of the whiners problems, they will still play in 3rd person because it gives an unfair advantage

[mr_chabowski@live.co.uk 2416]

Why do these threads keep coming back from the dead? Nothing new is being added to the discuission.

If the game was FPV only, most of the community wouldn't have a problem with it (I imagine) but there are people out there, who the FPV elitists just enjoy discriminating against, who cannot (or will not) play in first person.

The mistaken belief that playing in first person somehow makes you superior to the next guy, is only making you look like idiots.

And that goes for all of you.

The mantra "everybody is cheating" is REALLY starting to get old. Unless NONE OF YOU use a 3rd party chat (skype/teamspeak etc.) you don't have a leg to stand on.

Let "freedom of choice" mean exactly that, and keep your trap shut.

[dallas 5195]

If you think it's an unfair advantage, why do you join our servers?

[Clumzy (DayZ) 377]

Why do these threads keep coming back from the dead? Nothing new is being added to the discuission.

If the game was FPV only, most of the community wouldn't have a problem with it (I imagine) but there are people out there, who the FPV elitists just enjoy discriminating against, who cannot (or will not) play in first person.

The mistaken belief that playing in first person somehow makes you superior to the next guy, is only making you look like idiots.

And that goes for all of you.

The mantra "everybody is cheating" is REALLY starting to get old. Unless NONE OF YOU use a 3rd party chat (skype/teamspeak etc.) you don't have a leg to stand on.

Let "freedom of choice" mean exactly that, and keep your trap shut.

The abuse of Third-Party chat doesn't justify third person being in the game. And third person can be easily changed, but third party chat can't be. No need to generalize and insult anyone.

And Dallas, it's really not easy to find playable first-person servers.

[mr_chabowski@live.co.uk 2416]

So you'll defend you own cheats, and that's cool?

If you can't get a decent FPV server, it#s because nobody wants them.

[sinkatze 52]

Why so much argument, its clear everyone has their own taste.

I will play only in first person, cause thats how I play ArmA since Operation Flashpoint, as long as there is a server with first person I will be fine. I know most of the people play in 3rd person, just check dayz videos on youtube and 95% use 3rd person. So of course they shouldn't take it out. The only thing I don't want is that the game bases on the 3rd person view, it is an FPS after all.

[dallas 5195]

Why so much argument, its clear everyone has their own taste.

I will play only in first person, cause thats how I play ArmA since Operation Flashpoint, as long as there is a server with first person I will be fine. I know most of the people play in 3rd person, just check dayz videos on youtube and 95% use 3rd person. So of course they shouldn't take it out. The only thing I don't want is that the game bases on the 3rd person view, it is an FPS after all.

I disagree only with the last sentence. I played ArmA and OFP too and it has always been more than a FPS game. Third person view has always been part of the game, both in ArmA, but also in DayZ. Remember ArmA/OFP also had command view, so you could play your favorite first person/third person game as an RTS.

[Masterfocker 103]

The abuse of Third-Party chat doesn't justify third person being in the game. And third person can be easily changed, but third party chat can't be. No need to generalize and insult anyone.

And Dallas, it's really not easy to find playable first-person servers.

http://bmrf.me/

These guys are awesome. One of their servers I think has no crosshairs and no 3P, and it's usually ~20 people online at a time, it reaches maximum capacity at peak times.

And if you like Wasteland, they have an awesome server for that too. Almost always full. And they fixed tents in their DayZ servers :)

You're going to have to whitelist, and the email may go into your SPAM folder. If it takes a while, go into their IRC, the admins are almost always on.

If you need any help, feel free to PM me :)

[Clumzy (DayZ) 377]

So you'll defend you own cheats, and that's cool?

If you can't get a decent FPV server, it#s because nobody wants them.

I generally play alone, and don't use the teamspeak server of the server I play on. If I play with friends, I would be fine with a decent radio system, and if something can be done to prevent third party chat, I'm all for it. The problem is, people won't play at a disadvantage when other people don't. I'm just saying, one 'problem' can be changed, one can't.

Furthermore, I think the reason there are so few FPV servers around is because there is an option for third person. Just look at how widespread the 'Start with gun + 500 vehicles' servers have become with. I would be fine with people having third person as long as you can't see things you shouldn't be able to, but if that were the case I think way less people would bother to use it anyways.

[Masterfocker 103]

I generally play alone, and don't use the teamspeak server of the server I play on. If I play with friends, I would be fine with a decent radio system, and if something can be done to prevent third party chat, I'm all for it. The problem is, people won't play at a disadvantage when other people don't. I'm just saying, one 'problem' can be changed, one can't.

Furthermore, I think the reason there are so few FPV servers around is because there is an option for third person. Just look at how widespread the 'Start with gun + 500 vehicles' servers have become with. I would be fine with people having third person as long as you can't see things you shouldn't be able to, but if that were the case I think way less people would bother to use it anyways.

The link I gave you should help you. Legit server, as in regular amount of vehicles and normal daytime/nighttime cycle. Plus, 3P and crosshairs are off. And it's fairly active as far as I know.

[mr_chabowski@live.co.uk 2416]

I'm just saying, one 'problem' can be changed, one can't.

But the one "problem" you believe you can solve is not seen as a problem by the majority of the community, it's just the way the game has been presented, adopted and played.

Private hive options aren't exactly relevant to this topic either, when you consider 3dp:ON has ALWAYS been the prominent setting for DayZ servers.

[radivmoe 47]

As long as its this mod keep 3rd person around because people cry at the thought of not having the crutch. Then on retail/standalone refine the first person mechanics so that people can't cry about 'ouch head bob hurts' and the truth comes out, "I have terrible situational awareness. I also failed analytical geometry and spatial reasoning."

Seriously, and I WILL be an 'elitist' about it, playing in 3rd person is a crutch. It gives you a better sense of situational awareness that simply wouldn't be present otherwise. You have your right to play like that, and by all means do.

I have my right to call you a girly man and say you suck.

Go back to watching Piranha 3dd

even though i like 3ps, i was going to give you beans. then you started to get rude.

[radivmoe 47]

3rd person needs to go.

You can disable head bob and widen your FOV if you feel the need to have peripheral vision or the current camera makes you feel ill.

Being able to leave your body and hide behind walls and watch people while they have no idea you are there is crap. Every video you watch on you tube shows people exploiting this. Peripheral vision my ass.

it seems that even with minimum headbob people get motionsick. i easily get motionsick, so i have not taken the chance.

[radivmoe 47]

Here's an example.

Player A gets all of his gear on a server that has 3rd person enabled. He abuses the system to get what he needs, including nice weaponry, equipment, etc.

Player B gets his gear on a 1st person server, but has to play longer in order to do so, and is SEVERELY restricted in what servers he can play on, due to server ping, or settings.

Player A moves over to a 1st person server, and murders everyone with his better equipment that he got by more easily avoiding zeds, and other players.

As I said in an earlier post-

One or the other. Not both. Both is unacceptable.

i support the idea if fp is NOT BROKEN ANYMORE.

Edit: oops, clicked quote twice.

Edited February 14, 2013 by radivmoe

[flypp 21]

Imagine that enemy-on-map, map marks, peripherical dots and tagnames were toggleable. What would happen?.

"Enemy on map gives you more awareness of the enviroment".

"Traveling without map marks get me disoriented".

"I don't use peripherical dots as an exploit. It just give me a better perception of the world".

"Tagnames is essential. I don't use it to find other players. I use it because due to the lack of stereoscopic vision, I need a way to recognise how far are the objects".

"Just GTFO and play in another server".

"Servers with these features on represents the 99%, so people like it".

[willey.erd@oundleschool.org.uk 506]

"Servers with these features on represents the 99%, so people like it".

I love how much people on this forum pull statistics out of thin air.

[mr_chabowski@live.co.uk 2416]

Imagine that enemy-on-map, map marks, peripherical dots and tagnames were toggleable. What would happen?.

You would be stupid for putting yourself at a disadvantage out of stubbornness.

Like playing on a 3dp enabled server and complaining that players aren't all using 1st person.

[Shadow Man 142]

I searched dayz commander the other day for 1st person servers. Know what I found? ONE. A single server. So no one can say "Just find 1st person servers", because on a good day there won't be many.

I dont want to hear any crap about it being what the majority wants either. The majority would also like to spawn with a car, an as50, nvg's and a guardian angel. But that is not DayZ. That is an ArmA based open world fps with some zombies getting in the way.

[Positronica 30]

Imagine that enemy-on-map, map marks, peripherical dots and tagnames were toggleable. What would happen?.

"Enemy on map gives you more awareness of the enviroment".

"Traveling without map marks get me disoriented".

"I don't use peripherical dots as an exploit. It just give me a better perception of the world".

"Tagnames is essential. I don't use it to find other players. I use it because due to the lack of stereoscopic vision, I need a way to recognise how far are the objects".

"Just GTFO and play in another server".

"Servers with these features on represents the 99%, so people like it".

That's a BS argument. There are already a bunch of options in the game that servers can enable to make things easier for players, such as crosshairs and tagnames, but guess what, tons of servers CHOOSE to disable those options and have no trouble attracting players. Servers also have the option of putting in way more vehicles than normal, or giving players all kinds of extra starting loot, and while some servers choose to do that, there's still tons that choose not to, and again they have no trouble attracting players. The claim that the FPS-only crowd somehow knows what's better for the game and that everyone else will simply select the easiest, most cheesy options unless those options are removed simply isn't borne out by the facts.

On top of that, the fact that servers that disable 3rd person have such a hard time attracting players, coupled with the fact that the playerbase has clearly demonstrated the ability to selectively weigh the gameplay value of different options, is pretty strong evidence that restricting the game to first person only would negatively impact the enjoyment of the gameplay for a huge segment of the playerbase... and in the end, enjoyment of the gameplay is the ONLY thing that matters. Realism and immersion only matter insofar as they further a player's satisfaction with the overall gameplay, because that's the only reason anyone actually plays DayZ. Anyone who's logged into DayZ has made the conscious, or sub-conscious decision that at that moment in time, playing DayZ is more enjoyable to them then watching TV, or taking a nap, or firing up their XBox. That doesn't mean that things shouldn't be hard, because humans derive a lot of enjoyment out of overcoming challenges, and that doesn't mean things shouldn't be immersive, because humans derive a lot of enjoyment out of virtual escapism, but ultimately, both of those things are only components of the overall gameplay experience, and should never take sole priority.

[svisketyggeren 662]

This is a realistic simulation. Graphics are great, world and environment is great and ever improving... please please remove 3rd person cam entirely so that we can be truly immersed into the world in first person perspective. I'm tired of peeking around corners like a GTA game, or rotating my head 320 degrees when im running in a straight line to scan my surroundings. I never get jumped by zombies..... ever.

So stop using 3rd person u moron mommy

[Clumzy (DayZ) 377]

But the one "problem" you believe you can solve is not seen as a problem by the majority of the community, it's just the way the game has been presented, adopted and played.

Private hive options aren't exactly relevant to this topic either, when you consider 3dp:ON has ALWAYS been the prominent setting for DayZ servers.

I put the word in quotation marks to show that I was quoting others' opinons, and not stating my own. Maybe 'issue' or something would have been a more appropriate word, I was just pointing out that while people will probably always use third person chat, no matter what the devs do, but third-person is a simple design choice. People know there's not really much that can be done about skype and teamspeak (as far as I know), but they know 3dp can be changed easily, so they're asking for it. It's just the more realistic request.

I don't think third person needs to be taken out, but there's so few first person servers, and I would like to see a change to that.

[mr_chabowski@live.co.uk 2416]

I understand what you mean, but that's like saying "it's easier to poke someone's eye out than replace fossil fuels"

From my understanding we're getting different server settings anyway.

It'd be easier to convince people who DO want FPV only to use those settings for their servers than to convince people who DON'T want those settings to change their minds.

From what I've heard, people who prefer FPV will set their servers to 3dp:on to get more players.

THERE'S your problem.

Edited February 15, 2013 by Chabowski

[Clumzy (DayZ) 377]

I understand what you mean, but that's like saying "it's easier to poke someone's eye out than replace fossil fuels"

From my understanding we're getting different server settings anyway.

It'd be easier to convince people who DO want FPV only to use those settings for their servers than to convince people who DON'T want those settings to change their minds.

From what I've heard, people who prefer FPV will set their servers to 3dp:on to get more players.

THERE'S your problem.

Official servers might be the solution.

[dystopeon 46]

the solution is simple.

create 2 official hives, one called a NEWBIE hive 3DP:ON & a REGULAR hive with 3DP:OFF

I'm sure that'll create enough butthurt, that some people will 'forget' they had "motion sickness" and switch.

[Clumzy (DayZ) 377]

the solution is simple.

create 2 official hives, one called a NEWBIE hive 3DP:ON & a REGULAR hive with 3DP:OFF

I'm sure that'll create enough butthurt, that some people will 'forget' they had "motion sickness" and switch.

I think the best solution is making it that people in third person can't see things that would be obstructed in third person, so it's actually balanced and we can all play together, nice and happy.