Leaning screws the gunplay

[LennyS-cbe65eb8a29b70ab 11]

Leaning around corners is a fundamental part of the gunplay.

However, more and more people abuse leaning in CloseQuarterCombat. They use it to quickly "wiggle" left and right while spraying their gun, to make themselves a harder target to hit. The rest of the Gunplay is fine if you ask me... its not perfect and a little bit too easy.... but overall it works. The main offender for me is the leaning. it just looks SOOO DUMB and unrealistic... but at the same time it gives you a huge advantage.

 

 

 

2 Suggestion:

A) Add a 1 second timer to leaning.  After your done leaning, there is a 1 second decaytimer until you can lean in the other direction.

B) After 2 consecutive Leanings, the animation slows down significantly.

 

How do you feel about this topic? Does anyone have a better idea on how to solve the problem?

Edited April 6, 2023 by LennyS-cbe65eb8a29b70ab

[lemmac 101]

2 hours ago, LennyS-cbe65eb8a29b70ab said:

How do you feel about this topic? Does anyone have a better idea on how to solve the problem?

I think it's a non problem and thus doesn't need 'solving'. Especially so when Bohemia's usual approach to solving any one non problem is to break two other things.

[SleeperZ 52]

2 hours ago, LennyS-cbe65eb8a29b70ab said:

Leaning around corners is a fundamental part of the gunplay.

However, more and more people abuse leaning in CloseQuarterCombat. They use it to quickly "wiggle" left and right while spraying their gun, to make themselves a harder target to hit. The rest of the Gunplay is fine if you ask me... its not perfect and a little bit too easy.... but overall it works. The main offender for me is the leaning. it just looks SOOO DUMB and unrealistic... but at the same time it gives you a huge advantage.

 

 

 

2 Suggestion:

A) Add a 1 second timer to leaning.  After your done leaning, there is a 1 second decaytimer until you can lean in the other direction.

B) After 2 consecutive Leanings, the animation slows down significantly.

 

How do you feel about this topic? Does anyone have a better idea on how to solve the problem?

Agreed. Plus walking and lean spammning is dumb, you can also lean while looting which is stupid

[LennyS-cbe65eb8a29b70ab 11]

49 minutes ago, lemmac said:

I think it's a non problem and thus doesn't need 'solving'. Especially so when Bohemia's usual approach to solving any one non problem is to break two other things.

apparently you dont encounter it alot... which is good for you.

But on the servers that i play on, its a very common practice... and its definitely a problem.

[Parazight 1599]

Great post. Personally, I’d rather have the accuracy of the shots reduced instead of seeing restrictions on actions. However, the 2 OP suggestions aren’t bad. 

[lemmac 101]

I encounter it a lot... but being used to express friendliness rather than dodge bullets matrix style while shooting with less accuracy than a gangster holding their gun sideways trying to appear cool.

[LennyS-cbe65eb8a29b70ab 11]

27 minutes ago, lemmac said:

I encounter it a lot... but being used to express friendliness rather than dodge bullets matrix style while shooting with less accuracy than a gangster holding their gun sideways trying to appear cool.

okey so you are NOT encoutering the issue then.

the issue is not the "friendly dance" as we call it....  the issue is people wobbling left and right at lightningspeed in combat to make themselves a harder target. It doesnt even come with accuracy penatlys or anything. You can just hipfire while spamming Q and E.... that is literally the pvp meta right now. (atleast on PC.. idk about consoles)

Thanks for your input, but apparently you dont fully understand what we are talking about. its NOT about the "friendly dance"...

Edited April 6, 2023 by LennyS-cbe65eb8a29b70ab

[LennyS-cbe65eb8a29b70ab 11]

31 minutes ago, Parazight said:

Great post. Personally, I’d rather have the accuracy of the shots reduced instead of seeing restrictions on actions. However, the 2 OP suggestions aren’t bad. 

That was my first idea.... but after thinking about it for a few seconds i realized.... that its not even a remotely good idea.  Let me try to explain. (sry for bad english)

Imagine you lean around a corner to engage in combat. You begin shooting and slowly move out of your cover, around the corner.  At some point you can/will stop to lean, as its no longer needed, because you have moved away from the corner.

When you now let go off the leaning.... you loose accuracy for that half second where you traverse from leaning to standing straight.     what would that lead to?    -> if you have started shooting while leaned.... you HAVE TO STAY LEANED, otherwise you loose accuracy and might miss the one shot that will safe your life.

A accuracy penatly isnt really great as it forces you to stay leaned during fire.

 

i hope you understand what i mean xD

 

Edited April 6, 2023 by LennyS-cbe65eb8a29b70ab

[lemmac 101]

If Q and E are so troublesome A and D must be 10 times worse... and a mechanic that is available to everyone can hardly be an advantage to anyone. There's lots about this game that looks 'dumb and unrealistic' but it is just a dumb, unrealistic game that just happens to be a lot of fun at times.

[LennyS-cbe65eb8a29b70ab 11]

36 minutes ago, lemmac said:

If Q and E are so troublesome A and D must be 10 times worse... and a mechanic that is available to everyone can hardly be an advantage to anyone. There's lots about this game that looks 'dumb and unrealistic' but it is just a dumb, unrealistic game that just happens to be a lot of fun at times.

again showing that you havent encountered it atleast once..... 

okey okey... so you atleast know what i am talking about here:  https://youtu.be/O-wbywBq3SY?t=19  Take a look at this and pay close attention. Thats what PC PvP is degenerating too.... ITS LITERALLY COD ON STEROIDS.

he is spamming Q and E nonstop to make himself a harder target. And the enemys are doing it too... everyone is doing it.... that right there is your average experience on alot of PC servers.

They fixed leaning while running, but everyone is now simply standing still and still doing it, because the animation plays so ridicilously fast, that getting a clean headshot is near impossible. Its not about a unfair advantage... because your right with one thing here.... everyone can do it.    But its sad that you HAVE to do it to be competetive. It sucks out every form of realism if every second enemy is wiggling....  Alot of people are literally Macroing it at this point...

On his screen the wiggling is minimal, but from the other persons POV this guy is literally breakdancing.

This advantage leads to more and more people doing it. 

 

[WOLVERlNES 135]

I play on Xbox and I only lean to slice the pie around corners or to enter a doorway. But I also don’t go out of the way to PvP either, I play to survive cause… it’s a survival game. So, if I hear or see a firefight between survivors, I’ll stay clear of it unless they engage me with shots.

I don’t know if this is abused on console, but will pay attention moving forward to see if I notice.

[lakevu 98]

 

[DefectiveWater 539]

Leaning and A/D spamming (or sharp direction changes in general) should use up stamina. More stamina use the more you spam so that doing it once doesn't hurt gameplay - peeking a corner with lean uses next to no stamina, spamming Q/E exponentially scales stamina use.

On 4/6/2023 at 10:27 AM, LennyS-cbe65eb8a29b70ab said:

A) Add a 1 second timer to leaning.  After your done leaning, there is a 1 second decaytimer until you can lean in the other direction.

B) After 2 consecutive Leanings, the animation slows down significantly.

Great suggestions. Spamming movement should cause you to get "tired" and slow it down.

Even CSGO has anti-spam measures for crouching I think.

Edited April 8, 2023 by DefectiveWater

[LennyS-cbe65eb8a29b70ab 11]

On 4/8/2023 at 12:49 AM, lakevu said:

 

understandable that you post this, because this post mentions leaning aswell.

But i want to put the focus on just the leaning. As i am pretty okay with how the gunplay currently is. Just this abusive "lean-wiggling" is getting out of hand. Thats why i wanted to make a seperate topic with 2 very clear suggestions.

On 4/8/2023 at 2:56 PM, DefectiveWater said:

Even CSGO has anti-spam measures for crouching I think

YUP. After 2 crouches, the crouching animation slows down significantly. Because back in the day crouchspamming to avoid headshots was pretty common.

Thats basicly the same problem that DayZ is facing currently.

[lakevu 98]

18 hours ago, LennyS-cbe65eb8a29b70ab said:

understandable that you post this, because this post mentions leaning aswell.

But i want to put the focus on just the leaning. As i am pretty okay with how the gunplay currently is. Just this abusive "lean-wiggling" is getting out of hand. Thats why i wanted to make a seperate topic with 2 very clear suggestions.

YUP. After 2 crouches, the crouching animation slows down significantly. Because back in the day crouchspamming to avoid headshots was pretty common.

Thats basicly the same problem that DayZ is facing currently.

I posted that because you lean wiggling is part of a much bigger issue as a whole. which the leaning mechanics are just a piece of. If you fix the leaning there are many other player controller aspects that will not be congruent with that change. 

If you gonna fix this one you have to fix them all because then it just ends up being stupid and inconsistent

[LennyS-cbe65eb8a29b70ab 11]

9 hours ago, lakevu said:

I posted that because you lean wiggling is part of a much bigger issue as a whole. which the leaning mechanics are just a piece of. If you fix the leaning there are many other player controller aspects that will not be congruent with that change. 

If you gonna fix this one you have to fix them all because then it just ends up being stupid and inconsistent

yeah i understand that.

But as i have also said.... i personally think the gunplay is okay the way it is. It is by no means perfect and a littlebit to.... easy.... But I dont want them to overhaul everything, as it would take a absurd ammount of time.

So i wanted to suggest something.... smaller.....fixxing the wiggling!

Wiggling is becoming the mainstaple of every CQB encounter that you have on PC... and its becoming really really really.... annoying to say the least.

Edited April 12, 2023 by LennyS-cbe65eb8a29b70ab

[lakevu 98]

On 4/12/2023 at 6:53 AM, LennyS-cbe65eb8a29b70ab said:

yeah i understand that.

But as i have also said.... i personally think the gunplay is okay the way it is. It is by no means perfect and a littlebit to.... easy.... But I dont want them to overhaul everything, as it would take a absurd ammount of time.

So i wanted to suggest something.... smaller.....fixxing the wiggling!

Wiggling is becoming the mainstaple of every CQB encounter that you have on PC... and its becoming really really really.... annoying to say the least.

lack of integrity is how we got here to begin with. lack of integrity is not going to get us out of it

[Matthew Bower 10]

Just make us hurt our hips 😁 Pull a muscle 

Edited April 22, 2023 by Matthew Bower