M4 spawns and New Weapons

[darkrider400 76]

So, first off Im gonna say I love how the M4 now spawns in the Officer's Barracks. I found one yesterday about 30 seconds before I got killed on a server filled with 40 players, turns out about 30 of them were having a firefight at the tents at NWAF. Only problem is that I haven't seen a STANAG mag for them yet, do they spawn in Regular Military as well or can they only be found at heli crashs? If the M4 spawns in Regular Military the mags should as well.

 

On second point, how hyped are you guys for the new weapons? I can't wait for the Red 9 and the Skorpion, since I don't think the FN FAL is coming out with .59

[Mookie (original) 799]

Mags spawn at the Nissen Huts. So does just about anything else you can put on an M4 (apart from the bayonets, which are not currently in game).

 

I think I've recently realised why people aren't very good at finding M4s in the huts, but won't say why. I've found four in the past 72 hours.

[Herkyl Puuro 52]

Found few STANAG mags, and mainly from crash sites, seen only one or two in an officer barracks. 5.56 boxes are really rare too. It's like with other guns, sure they are more or less available, but it's much harder to find ammunition for them. Well, SKS being the exception, plenty of ammo for it in tents and barracks.

 

To your second point, I find the Red 9 as a real museum piece, so I don't know about that yet, can be a cool addition nevertheless. BUT! The Skorpion I've definitely waited since I started to play. It could eliminate need for both pistol and heavier short distance weapon like SMG/shotgun, so it could save some inventory space to have it. Also I really loved the Skorpion when tried in rl, it handled well even I shot bursts with one hand. It's like Ford Focus, you don't expect much y seeing one, but after driving it you realize it's really a good car. So I'm pretty fuken hyped to have the Skorpion in Dayz :D

[odin_lowe 3686]

All types of 5.56 STANAG and CMAGS spawn at the "officer's tents". (10 rnd, 20 rnd, 30 rnd, 40 rnd CMAGS, and 30 rnd STANAG, 30x2 coupled mag.)

 

Eventually I really hope they remove the 30x2 STANAG coupled mag, as it makes no sense that the bullets from one the mags teleport themselves into the chamber prior to being shot, instead of a quicker reload animation. Either they change the animation, or simply remove the mag. 

 

As we know, this could easily be replaced by the 100rnd double drum c-mag that was announced and shown about 8-9 months ago...

 

Lastly, better enjoy those spawns right now, as with 0.59 the M4, Ak101, and other rare military spawns including attachments, clothes and weapons will be back exclusively at NATO crash sites (UH-1Y Bell "Venom" chopper, the smoking ones.) and Russian (Mi-8) crash sites.

 

P.S. : As for new weapons, it's cool, but I already have a favorite right now (The engraved 1911) so unless they eventually add an FN P90, I'll be happy with all the weapons already in the game... It's all a matter of taste! Like Herkyl loves his Skorpion! 

[Mookie (original) 799]

 

Lastly, better enjoy those spawns right now, as with 0.59 the M4, Ak101, and other rare military spawns including attachments, clothes and weapons will be back exclusively at NATO crash sites (UH-1Y Bell "Venom" chopper, the smoking ones.) and Russian (Mi-8) crash sites.

 

 

This is very good news. The loot farming and total focus on those huts is not healthy.

 

I'm really looking forward to the FN-FAL, depending on what attachments it will take. I think the artwork confirms that it has a rail. I also hope they don't make it auto.

[holyoak 126]

found 1,  2 days ago in a heli crash

[darkrider400 76]

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Lastly, better enjoy those spawns right now, as with 0.59 the M4, Ak101, and other rare military spawns including attachments, clothes and weapons will be back exclusively at NATO crash sites (UH-1Y Bell "Venom" chopper, the smoking ones.) and Russian (Mi-8) crash sites.

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That's a pretty controversial issue in my head. I like the availability of those guns because it forces a player to make a decision based on the current weapon they have, and what they want. Many players I've asked prefer the AK over the M4 and AUG, just because of ammo availability and common use, and because of the trouble of finding at least one of the three heli wrecks that have like 70 different areas to spawn at, it just isn't worth the trouble. Personally, I like my UMP and SVD setup, however, considering that the PM-73 is the only Russian SMG ingame (not including AKS-74U) right now, and it's Less than Like-able status (ugly, clips aren't common in residential areas, unmoddable), the current setup allows us to hunt for the more favorable guns, which are already rare in comparison to other guns such as AK's.

 

Or were you not being serious?

Edited October 15, 2015 by Darkrider400

[odin_lowe 3686]

That's a pretty controversial issue in my head. I like the availability of those guns because it forces a player to make a decision based on the current weapon they have, and what they want. Many players I've asked prefer the AK over the M4 and AUG, just because of ammo availability and common use, and because of the trouble of finding at least one of the three heli wrecks that have like 70 different areas to spawn at, it just isn't worth the trouble. Personally, I like my UMP and SVD setup, however, considering that the PM-73 is the only Russian SMG ingame (not including AKS-74U) right now, and it's Less than Like-able status (ugly, clips aren't common in residential areas, unmoddable), the current setup allows us to hunt for the more favorable guns, which are already rare in comparison to other guns such as AK's.

 

Or were you not being serious?

Well, that's simply a personal opinion there.

 

Right now the CLE isn't properly working, so as the loot distribution and the current despawn/respawn mechanic. It's all a work in progress.

 

That being said, I personally love crash site hunting, and found more than 200 crash sites since they've been added in 0.45, when the model itself for smoking crash site wasn't the UH-1Y, but the Blackhawk helicopter.

 

It's also less risky than the airfield for those lone wolves, more "hermit" play style players since the loot farming, and server hopping issues on public hive servers.

 

Powerful military grade weapons should be rare, and crash sites spawns should remain restricted to them. It's part of DayZ, and makes the whole experience a lot better and more balanced than abusing the current item spawn system.

 

Like I said, enjoy it while you can, as it will come back to normal in 0.59. As in fact, it's more of a bug/exploit than a proper working mechanic.

 

"Issues with duplication, and magazine quantity manipulation have been identified and are being resolved, and NATO military gear will be moving out of the Quonset Hut Barracks and back to their proper NATO chopper crash spawns."

 

https://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/229152-status-report-23-sept-2015/

[Chaingunfighter 917]

This is very good news. The loot farming and total focus on those huts is not healthy.

 

I'm really looking forward to the FN-FAL, depending on what attachments it will take. I think the artwork confirms that it has a rail. I also hope they don't make it auto.

It has your standard FN LAR/FN FAL 50.00 selector switch on it, so there's really no reason it shouldn't have auto fire as an option they way they modeled it.

[Mookie (original) 799]

That's a pretty controversial issue in my head. I like the availability of those guns because it forces a player to make a decision based on the current weapon they have, and what they want. Many players I've asked prefer the AK over the M4 and AUG, just because of ammo availability and common use, and because of the trouble of finding at least one of the three heli wrecks that have like 70 different areas to spawn at, it just isn't worth the trouble. Personally, I like my UMP and SVD setup, however, considering that the PM-73 is the only Russian SMG ingame (not including AKS-74U) right now, and it's Less than Like-able status (ugly, clips aren't common in residential areas, unmoddable), the current setup allows us to hunt for the more favorable guns, which are already rare in comparison to other guns such as AK's.

 

Or were you not being serious?

 

I don't quite understand the logic here. You 'like the availability of those guns' (meaning M4s, etc, I assume). But 'the current setup allows us to hunt for the more favourable guns' (well, no, people just farm the huts for them). Hunting for the rarest guns is what crash site running is all about...

[Mookie (original) 799]

It has your standard FN LAR/FN FAL 50.00 selector switch on it, so there's really no reason it shouldn't have auto fire as an option they way they modeled it.

 

British army FN-FALs (ahem, L1A1 SLRs) were fixed to semi auto only because the auto was almost impossible to control. And most AKs have selectable semi/auto IRL. Not in game though...

[darkrider400 76]

I don't quite understand the logic here. You 'like the availability of those guns' (meaning M4s, etc, I assume). But 'the current setup allows us to hunt for the more favourable guns' (well, no, people just farm the huts for them). Hunting for the rarest guns is what crash site running is all about...

The favorable guns part only included the UMP and MP5, because they're better than the PM-73. M4 isn't a favorable gun to some people, some prefer the AK's. I wouldn't mind if the M4's and AUG's returned to their Heli Crash sites, but I'd like to see the UMP or the MP5 (not both) spawn in regular military.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

British army FN-FALs (ahem, L1A1 SLRs) were fixed to semi auto only because the auto was almost impossible to control. And most AKs have selectable semi/auto IRL. Not in game though...

Well, yeah, but I mean the actual model of the FN FAL they showed off has a select-fire receiver unlike the L1A1 and its derivatives, so it being semi-auto only wouldn't make sense. Select-fire functions are still being ironed out but I imagine in the end they'll have it work on the weapons it should.

[Dagwood 680]

Well, yeah, but I mean the actual model of the FN FAL they showed off has a select-fire receiver unlike the L1A1 and its derivatives, so it being semi-auto only wouldn't make sense. Select-fire functions are still being ironed out but I imagine in the end they'll have it work on the weapons it should.

I would be ok with a full auto setting on the FAL only if the recoil when doing so is uncontrollable, as it is with most mid 20th century 7.62 NATO rifles (looking at you M14). If the FAL had recoil similar to other assault rifles in game, it would be the best weapon by a long shot. I know it will already be my favorite because of the round it is chambered in and it's semi auto capabilities. Add to that it's sheer sex appeal, and you have another "M4 status" weapon in the dayz armory.

If it's recoil is manageable and it can fire full auto, we will have another DMR infestation like the MOD that will flatten the skill curve.

[Bororm 1156]

British army FN-FALs (ahem, L1A1 SLRs) were fixed to semi auto only because the auto was almost impossible to control. And most AKs have selectable semi/auto IRL. Not in game though...

 

I think I read some where that during the Falkland islands war the British were swapping out their semi auto FN-FALs for the Argentinian full auto ones when they could.  I think there's something to be said for volume of fire, regardless of accuracy.

 

Of course, when it comes to DayZ, it's probably a matter of just sprinting up to some one and hip fire spraying them like every other gun.  Considering winchestor ammo is not terribly hard to come by, I'd say if the FAL is full auto and not totally rare it is definitely going to be the go to OP weapon.  So I am also in the boat that really hopes it isn't full auto, though if the model is already that way I suppose it's likely it is.  Still, hopefully enough changes happen to actual gameplay to diminish that technique of just spraying people close up.  It's one thing to round a corner and do that, but when it's the go to pvp tactic things get really dull.

Edited October 17, 2015 by Bororm

[Chaingunfighter 917]

I would be ok with a full auto setting on the FAL only if the recoil when doing so is uncontrollable, as it is with most mid 20th century 7.62 NATO rifles (looking at you M14). If the FAL had recoil similar to other assault rifles in game, it would be the best weapon by a long shot. I know it will already be my favorite because of the round it is chambered in and it's semi auto capabilities. Add to that it's sheer sex appeal, and you have another "M4 status" weapon in the dayz armory.

If it's recoil is manageable and it can fire full auto, we will have another DMR infestation like the MOD that will flatten the skill curve.

I'd rather weapons behave realistically than "be balanced" so they're "not overpowered." This FN FAL has a full-auto selector switch so there's zero reason for it to be semi-auto only. However, yeah, it's a .308 automatic battle rifle so obviously the recoil is going to be pretty up there. The 20 round capacity and relative scarcity of full-sized rifle cartridges (as opposed to smaller rounds) are also major limiting factors. Still, the FAL is very close to being an end-game level weapon, so it's going to be powerful.

 

Also, as it stands the longest range optic it'll be able to accept with its rails is the ACOG scope, so you're not going to have anyone doing DMR sniping with this - I presume it will have a longer delay between shots in semi-auto as well. This isn't a DMR, it's a mid-ranged battle rifle. Powerful, yes, but not meant for extreme ranges. The SVD is a lot closer to how the DMR was than this will be.

[PongoZ 127]

Just model it with the semi auto switch, its silly to add it as the very rare auto versions.

[KenoSkir88 181]

Tbh i use M4 almost religiously, but that doesn't mean it's the best gun there is. It's more that i'm used to it and like the Red Dot and Acog combo that is available with it. M4 lacks stopping power and relies more on getting several shots landed to bring down a geared target. If i want someone to drop in the first couple of rounds i'd go with a 7.62 AK. There have been plenty of times i've died with an M4 where i would have lived had i had a bigger round to throw.

 

Very much looking forward to the FAL, might even take over from my friend the M4 even if it is semi-auto. To be fair the SKS warriors can get near full auto fire rates out of it just by firing.. well... quickly.