New weapon confirmed? VSS Vintorez

[thedogfoodyayho 295]

Just saw this on the DayZ Facebook page.

 

It's an unofficial page, and I don't watch the twitter or reddit, So i'm not sure if it's true. Looks legit enough though. 

For those that don't know, the VSS is a Soviet Full Automatic Silent Sniper rifle. It fires a special 9x39mm subsonic round only used in a few other guns, and is only used by Russian special forces and a few other nations. You could say it's the Soviet's De Lisle carbine - An internally suppressed sniper rifle firing a small round, intended for special forces and useless past 300m.

It can take the PSO-1 and uses 10, 20, or 30 round magazines.

This will probably lead to several new weapons - the SR-3 or AS VAL, (Submacineguns based on the VSS and using the same magzines) and the OTs-14 Groza, Bullpup AK chambered in 9x39mm.

Although I must admit that i'm a bit disappointed that such a rare weapon and round was added instead of the very common 7.62x25 Tokarev. 

 

 

[Elle 562]

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/223176-trello-chris-vss-vintorez-wip/#entry2242042 seems legit to me.

[McWendy 675]

Oh no not the VSS.

Although they did pay for my private server. :)

[Chaingunfighter 917]

It's at the top of the dev posts on this very forum, so... yes, it's real.

 

 

And what's with the "I'm a bit disappointed that such a rare weapon and round was added instead of the very common 7.62x25 Tokarev." ??? What makes you think this has anything to do with whether or not we'll have the Tok round in the future? The caliber disparity issue might still be a factor but considering the fact that they've been leaning towards a wider base, now with 5.45, .308, and 9x39 which weren't "originally intended", I wouldn't be surprised if the 7.62x25 round was added for a TT-33 and PPSh (and more) in the future. (Including the essentially confirmed Mauser C96, which could very well also use a Tokarev round.) Just take it one step at a time; we've seen a lot of new guns recently and there's no reason to believe there won't be more.

[gibonez 3633]

Looks good to me.

 

New ammo type + doors open to a bunch of other cool guns in that caliber. Unique short distance hard hitting round.

[Sirwarriant12 94]

Oh sweet jebus I will use nothing else now. Now just let us go to Pripyat and my life will be complete.

[Heatofbattle 49]

At first I read it as "New Weapon, V3S"

Best weapon for suicide, that's for certain.

[Tiger205 48]

So a wider weapon and caliber variety is bad exactly how?

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Looks good to me.

 

New ammo type + doors open to a bunch of other cool guns in that caliber. Unique short distance hard hitting round.

Yep...

 

SR-3 Vikhr

AK-9

9A-91

OTs-14

 

It's obviously a more uncommon round but the unique ballistic effects, as well as the fact that it allows for several Eastern endgame weapons, will make it fun. Plus, the round's number of guns make a well-rounded category of endgame level weapons anyway; The VSS as a marksman rifle, the SR-3 or 9A-91 as an SMG, the AK-9 as a carbine, and OTs-14 as a bullpup AR (AS VAL and VSK-94 would be fun, but they're both very similar to the VSS so not inherently necessary.) It's not a whole lot of guns but because this is all high-end level weaponry it makes sense to have few guns chambering it, and it just happens to round out well on weapon variety.

[Katana67 2907]

Maybe now people will shut the hell up about it.

 

I love the VSS, but by god, I never understood why people bled 9x39. It's not that cool of a weapon people!

 

And I will disagree with 9x39 somehow "opening up" a whole family of weapons. The SR-3, the 9A-91, and VSS/VAL are all pretty much the same gun. Both functionally and aesthetically.

 

They're all AK-looking SBRs that fire 9x39. You could add an AS VAL or SR-3 in, just make it modular, and you'd be equally as flexible. In fact, I'd rather they do that than limit it to the marginally less-modular VSS. It would be like if I put in a Mk 18, an LWRC PSD, and a PWS Diablo. They're all SBR, AR-15 lookin' things that fire the same round.

 

Again, I love the VSS. I don't discriminate. I'm glad it's in, and hope 9x39 makes an appearance. But it's still a very niche weapon, that's probably rarer than a lot of NATO/European weapons in service in former-Soviet countries now.

Edited March 31, 2015 by Katana67

[gibonez 3633]

Although I must admit that i'm a bit disappointed that such a rare weapon and round was added instead of the very common 7.62x25 Tokarev. 

 

I have a feeling 7.62x25 will be added eventually and more importantly because of its addition we will get to see some awesome immersion inducing weapons.

 

Hopefully we do see it and we get to see the tt-31. pps 43. ppsh 41 along with the caliber addition.

[stielhandgranate 480]

Maybe now people will shut the hell up about it.

 

I love the VSS, but by god, I never understood why people bled 9x39. It's not that cool of a weapon people!

 

And I will disagree with 9x39 somehow "opening up" a whole family of weapons. The SR-3, the 9A-91, and VSS/VAL are all pretty much the same gun. Both functionally and aesthetically.

 

They're all AK-looking SBRs that fire 9x39. You could add an AS VAL or SR-3 in, just make it modular, and you'd be equally as flexible. In fact, I'd rather they do that than limit it to the marginally less-modular VSS. It would be like if I put in a Mk 18, an LWRC PSD, and a PWS Diablo. They're all SBR, AR-15 lookin' things that fire the same round.

 

Again, I love the VSS. I don't discriminate. I'm glad it's in, and hope 9x39 makes an appearance. But it's still a very niche weapon, that's probably rarer than a lot of NATO/European weapons in service in former-Soviet countries now.

 

If they add in the VAL, it might be a gun you can stow in a bag like the AKS-74u seeing how it has a short profile and a folding stock.

 

People like the weapon from the cult game, STALKER. Nothing wrong with that, I like the game and have a fondness for the weapon. As for AR pattern rifles I'm sure they'll be in, expect people to whine about how they shouldn't be in "Russia", that is many people still think the game is set in Russia.

[gibonez 3633]

Is there an unsuppressed 9.39 weapon ?

[stielhandgranate 480]

Is there an unsuppressed 9.39 weapon ?

 

SR-3 "Vikhr" and OTs-12 "Tiss"

 

[Katana67 2907]

If they add in the VAL, it might be a gun you can stow in a bag like the AKS-74u seeing how it has a short profile and a folding stock.

 

People like the weapon from the cult game, STALKER. Nothing wrong with that, I like the game and have a fondness for the weapon. As for AR pattern rifles I'm sure they'll be in, expect people to whine about how they shouldn't be in "Russia", that is many people still think the game is set in Russia.

 

Oh I sure do expect that to happen. Though I haven't heard that kind of vitriol (because I haven't been here for four-five months) in a while.

 

I love the VAL/VSS, just never understood why people pee their pants over it being in DayZ or not. It's a gun, just as interesting as the next in my opinion. But I digress.

 

And yeah, to Gibonez, I think the AS VAL/VSS is the odd one out being integrally suppressed. The rest, as far as I know, have detachable suppressors. Which is why I'd rather an SR-3. Because it's a bit more modular and one can "make" it into a VSS essentially by finding a suppressor and PSO.

[trev186 389]

Huge fan of that gun

[David375 34]

I really would enjoy the VSS as a gun in this game. Although it is a bit out of place, being a SpecOps-only weapon, it would be a great "proving ground" for various spawning mechanics in the game. For example, the VSS was shipped by default with a PSO-1 telescopic sight, but could also use a special night-vision sight (the 1PN51, as it is called), as well as feed from 10 or 20rnd magazines. Given that the gun not only can but SHOULD spawn with attachments, it would be a good way to test spawning pre-attached goodies to a gun, and in different conditions.

 

Also, I remember reading somewhere that the VSS, although it COULD fire in fully automatic at around 600rpm, was never designed to (added as an emergency feature). The weapon's internal systems (striker system, internal baffles of suppressor, even the frame of the gun) were really beat beat up when fired this way, drastically reducing accuracy or causing malfunctions after extreme misuse this way. It would be interesting to see two different systems of degradation based on usage (say, the gun could fire 1000 rounds automatic before ruined, but 3000 if only fired semiautomatic)

[trev186 389]

Oh I sure do expect that to happen. Though I haven't heard that kind of vitriol (because I haven't been here for four-five months) in a while.

 

I love the VAL/VSS, just never understood why people pee their pants over it being in DayZ or not. It's a gun, just as interesting as the next in my opinion. But I digress.

 

And yeah, to Gibonez, I think the AS VAL/VSS is the odd one out being integrally suppressed. The rest, as far as I know, have detachable suppressors. Which is why I'd rather an SR-3. Because it's a bit more modular and one can "make" it into a VSS essentially by finding a suppressor and PSO.

Suppressors degrade now pretty quick no fuss with this

[Katana67 2907]

Suppressors degrade now pretty quick no fuss with this

 

Not worried about the degradation, was talking about the modularity and subsequent lackthereof with the VSS over something like the SR-3 (which would've been a better inclusion because you can kit it out to essentially be a VSS anyhow, and a variety of other configurations).

 

However, that is a potential problem, because there's currently no degredation for integrally suppressed weapons (i.e. the Amphibia S and the VSS). So, that would be a problem. Because as of now, those weapons with integral suppressors don't degrade at all.

 

Edited March 31, 2015 by Katana67

[gibonez 3633]

Not worried about the degradation, was talking about the modularity and subsequent lackthereof

 

I don't think Modularity is as big of a focus now as it was when Dayz first came out. The weapon selections and the new randomized weapon spawns leads me to believe they have or are planning on cutting back on adding super modular guns and a ton of accessories.

 

The way it appears now is that those select few guns in game that are highly modular thus really versatile will be highly sought after. Things like m4s and fully tricked out ak rifles will be rare maybe.

[rybec 339]

OTs-14

I've always found the Groza to be such an ugly and pretty firearm at the same time.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

I've always found the Groza to be such an ugly and pretty firearm at the same time.

It's very... intriguing, to say the least.

 

Regardless, it's one of few Eastern bullpup rifles they could implement and seeing how there aren't a whole lot of other options for 9x39mm weapons I'd hope it would be added.

 

 

And I will disagree with 9x39 somehow "opening up" a whole family of weapons. The SR-3, the 9A-91, and VSS/VAL are all pretty much the same gun. Both functionally and aesthetically.

 

They're all AK-looking SBRs that fire 9x39. You could add an AS VAL or SR-3 in, just make it modular, and you'd be equally as flexible. In fact, I'd rather they do that than limit it to the marginally less-modular VSS. It would be like if I put in a Mk 18, an LWRC PSD, and a PWS Diablo. They're all SBR, AR-15 lookin' things that fire the same round.

 

They're similar, but most certainly not the same. They're all built on the same base but the SR-3 and VSS have widely different applications, just having compatible magazines. The SR-3 as I showed it would be more of a pistol carbine than anything. The 9A-91 would basically end up being the middle ground between the two.

 

So, yeah, they're all similar, but they do serve a purpose. I'd say it's more akin to having an MK18, Colt M933, and M4A1 all at the same time, rather than three guns all exactly the same performance wise.

 

However, in the end it's probably necessary just because there aren't a whole lot of weapons that will use the 9x39mm round. It doesn't inherently need a lot but honestly if they can't get at least four guns out of it including the VSS, then it's not worth it (Which doesn't matter at this point because it's going to be added.) Ultimately though they just need the VSS, either the SR-3 or 9A-91, and then the OTs14 and AK-9 as the other two and it'd work out okay.

[gibonez 3633]

I really am just hoping they get the ballistic profile of the round right.

 

The ballistics on the 9x39 are super unique and the guns in game tend to be too flat shooting it would be a shame if the 9x39 weapons did that too.

[thedogfoodyayho 295]

It's very... intriguing, to say the least.

 

Regardless, it's one of few Eastern bullpup rifles they could implement and seeing how there aren't a whole lot of other options for 9x39mm weapons I'd hope it would be added.

 

 

They're similar, but most certainly not the same. They're all built on the same base but the SR-3 and VSS have widely different applications, just having compatible magazines. The SR-3 as I showed it would be more of a pistol carbine than anything. The 9A-91 would basically end up being the middle ground between the two.

 

So, yeah, they're all similar, but they do serve a purpose. I'd say it's more akin to having an MK18, Colt M933, and M4A1 all at the same time, rather than three guns all exactly the same performance wise.

 

However, in the end it's probably necessary just because there aren't a whole lot of weapons that will use the 9x39mm round. It doesn't inherently need a lot but honestly if they can't get at least four guns out of it including the VSS, then it's not worth it (Which doesn't matter at this point because it's going to be added.) Ultimately though they just need the VSS, either the SR-3 or 9A-91, and then the OTs14 and AK-9 as the other two and it'd work out okay.

Why the AK-9? The barrel length on the SR-3 is only a little bit shorter, and the overall length (With stocks folded and no suppresor) is about the same. Ingame differences would be minimal, (Besides the slightly more accurate AK9) and it uses a different magazine than the VSS, detractiing from it's usefullness. I think the VSS, SR-3 or maybe AS VAL (Folding stock, hence ability to fit in packs) and the OTs would be enough for this family of guns.

[McWendy 675]

I love all weapons and want them to even add more. But the suppresed vss will generate a lot of unexplainable deaths which in turn will make people rage and whine on the forum.

Person walks into city; gets hit, doesnt know where from, doesnt hear where from dies goes complaining about hackers.

Ive seen it before. If you build the vss they will come.