Sturmgewehr 44

[Geckofrog7 1168]

So far haven't seen anyone suggest it yet..the MP43/MP44/StG44. This, like other weapons left behind by Nazi Germany, was spread around the edges of the earth as surplus, and is still occasionally seen among insurgents today.

"The Sturmgewehr remained in use with the East German Nationale Volksarmee with the designation MPi.44 until it was eventually replaced with variants of the AK-47 assault rifle. The Volkspolizei used it until approximately 1962 when it was replaced by the PPSh-41. Other countries to use the StG 44 after World War II included the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic^[23] and the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia,^[24] where units as the 63rd Paratroop Battalion were equipped with it until the 1980s,^[25] when the rifles were ultimately transferred to Territorial Defense reserves or sold to friendly regimes in the Middle East and Africa."

 

I'd bet a good amount of money that they can still be found in reasonable numbers in post soviet states where the Wehrmacht once tread. The thing I do find troublesome is that if the K98k is added, which I find fairly likely, that's 7.92x57 they're gonna add to the game, whereas the STG 44 takes 7.92x33. This would create 2 very close ammo types only used by 1 weapon, an enormous waste of the dev's resources and a very streamlined and incompatible round for in-game. They devs could just use artistic license and have them both take the same round, though I could see how this would frustrate those of us who want to the game to adhere to stricter realism.

 

What do you think? Could this realistically work in game, or is it too far fetched?

Edited November 12, 2014 by Geckofrog7

[Officer25 54]

man we have enough guns :(

 

purpose of an alpha is to introduce new items not keep adding weapons, we have assured that the weapon system currently used is fine and the devs should start looking into other things such as aerial or naval transportation...

 

maybe in the beta we could come back and suggest guns but for an alpha we surely have enough and have tested that gun features (mostly) work correctly

Edited November 12, 2014 by Officer25

[stielhandgranate 480]

Even though that particular weapon is more common than one would think (Several examples have popped up recently with the recent conflicts in Ukraine and Syria) it wouldn't make a good addition as it uses ammunition is properitary.

[Evil Minion 943]

man we have enough guns :(

In terms of quantity: Definitely!

In terms of variety: Not at all!

 

Though I think there are tons of weapons thats would fit the game much better than the StG 44. It is an outdated assault rifle - nothing you keep around for hunting, it would require a new ammo type to be added (that doesn't allow for many other types of gun), it only marginally fits the setting and its not really that special. If you want a German assault rifle go with the G36 and its variants.

[liquidcactus 719]

I would prefer to see that semi auto german rifle from ww2 that was designed to rival the firepower of the garand.. I know what its called but cant quite remember right this second... the something 43' ? .. WAIT I REMEMBERED THE GEWEHR 43.. I believe the earlier version was clip fed through the top and later a detachable mag variety was available 

[Evil Minion 943]

I would prefer to see that semi auto german rifle from ww2 that was designed to rival the firepower of the garand..

Designed to rival the firepower of the SVT-40 you mean. ;) At this time the Germans did not care too much about the Garand. And the SVT-40 also happens to be the one of the bunch fitting the game most.

[agentstaple 29]

I would prefer to see that semi auto german rifle from ww2 that was designed to rival the firepower of the garand.. I know what its called but cant quite remember right this second... the something 43' ? .. WAIT I REMEMBERED THE GEWEHR 43.. I believe the earlier version was clip fed through the top and later a detachable mag variety was available 

Yeah, that thing feels like your firing a damn cannon in red orchestra 2, sounds like it too.

 

I think a few clip fed guns would be great, cause the don't need mags to be used, you can just put the bullets straight in. But that would also take time so you can't just keep firing (unless you find clips).

[alexeistukov 272]

Going to go ahead and add this to the list next update.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

It'd be a cool and not unrealistic firearm... but impractical on terms of ammunition; the 7.92x33mm Kurz round is used almost exclusively in it.

 

We'd honestly get more out of 7.92x57mm Mauser (the full sized version of the cartridge), and even then I'd still prefer to see "7.62mm" ammo separated into .308 and 7.62x54mmR before they think about adding another full-sized cartridge (and I'd still pick .30-06 before 7.92mm)

 

If I do recall there are some re-chambers and modern reproductions in .22LR, but they're quite different from the actual gun, so it's not a great alternative.

[liquidcactus 719]

Designed to rival the firepower of the SVT-40 you mean. ;) At this time the Germans did not care too much about the Garand. And the SVT-40 also happens to be the one of the bunch fitting the game most.

hahaa yes thats very true.. i just had a flashback to the description of it in day of defeat and typed that in.. which is made by americans and they love crappn on about crap like that.. I remember the garand description in dod said " the rifle that won the war"  pfffff 

[Chaingunfighter 917]

hahaa yes thats very true.. i just had a flashback to the description of it in day of defeat and typed that in.. which is made by americans and they love crappn on about crap like that.. I remember the garand description in dod said " the rifle that won the war"  pfffff 

It wasn't really due to the SVT-40, but moreso because of the Soviet's vehement use of submachine-guns (ala PPSh-41s, PPS-43s, and PPD-40s) that drove the Germans to develop guns like the MP44.

SVTs were pretty limited in service and by the time production went large scale, cheaper and more reliable rifles like the SKS were entering service, and even the AK-47 was on early development trials.

It was basically because the German's doctrine mainly relied on slow-firing and low-capacity KAR-98s that drove them to look for alternatives, simply because practically every allied power was diversifying its arsenals; NOT because of any one specific gun.

 

The statement that the "M1 Garand is the rifle that won the war" obviously isn't true (it wasn't the US alone that won, either), but it was definitely a crucial battle implement in the Pacific and Western half of the European campaign.

 

 

But it seems to me nowadays Americans love old soviet guns, especially because they're reliable and readily available (for a rather low price.) No one's "crapping on" the SVT.

[AP_Norris 1018]

I think, as one of the first few assault rifles I would like to see it in the game, my hope is that once we start picking up a few older guns we can start getting nice damaged textures and having guns degrade, needing to be cleaned and all that sort of stuff.

Having guns that jam, guns that work everytime, guns that you have to take care of will add a nice element to the game. I imagine older military weapons being more easily accesable because they are in civilian and farm areas occasionally, meaning you don't have to go into the hopefully one day zombie festering military bases.

But from more modern hunting weapons the main trade off for full auto is ammo rarity, condition and reliability.

[Jhunt7507 29]

You have any idea how rare those are? They can cost up to 30,000 dollars.

[Troll_Hunter 54]

I believe I like the idea of oiling and cleaning guns, (laying down and rolling over makes the gun dirty faster) and having solvable gun jams, like in Farcry 2.

 

But then again we need to consider the economy of development time..

 

I think cool game mechanics are windows to more varied fun, then say a huge arsenal of guns which cover nearly the same function.

Guns are important, but unlike other games, not the only thing to play with.

Edited November 17, 2014 by Troll_Hunter

[gibonez 3633]

You have any idea how rare those are? They can cost up to 30,000 dollars.

Pretty much this.

It would be just as weird to see this gun in the game as it would be to see a scar or as50

[thedogfoodyayho 295]

It would add a lot to the game, Since it would be a civilian weapon, with a lower fire rate than the AKM. And I wouldn't say it would really be that rare. The Soviets liked to stockpile captured arms and give them to friendly dictatorships decades later. (Hence the claimed 4,000 MP-43's and 44's found by insurgents in Syria) Granted, Chernarus wasn't a friendly country, it was (In amraverse) part of the Soviet Union, But where it's supposed to be located is not far from Stalingrad and some of the hardest fighting of the war, (But granted MP-43s never made it to Stalingrad) And i'm sure arms made they're way to areas hundreds of miles from where they were lost.

 

But, like you said, there's the ammo problem.

 

 

Also, i'll just put this out there. I saw on some Metal Detecting forum where some Russian guy posted some stories his uncle, living in Leningrad at the time, told him about finding working weapons in the woods, And firing MP-40's he found, During the 1970's. (Not sure if credible) So it possible that Criminals and Souvenir hunters went to battlegrounds after (Or even during) the war and brought MP-44's home. This means a lot of weapons could be around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X4XXXg37uU

If they had ammo that hadn't been sitting under rocks for years (And actually knew how to use it) I bet that TT would fire.