I'm Freezing, wait, why?!

[Zombie Milkman 167]

No Girth, apparently they had to move resources from climate & zombie physics to work on the new "Poop on the hostage you took" mod.

 

Hey man, priorities.

 

Instead of DayZ, they may want to rename the game DayD, as in "the big D."

[hombrecz 832]

Would be nice if fireplace made inside buildings provided warmth, this bug needs to go fast.

 

I also can't wait for when canned food become scarce, BUT our players will stay energised somehow longer.

Not fun eating 4-5 cans of food, some veggies before you are fully energized only to lose that status minutes later.

 

Same goes for Gorka clothing. Those could be the best protection against weather, but they should be somehow rare.

But I'm getting silly again, game lacks balance in alpha stage, so here is me hoping for all of this in beta.

 

Overall I'm glad that weather will play big role, it just needs to be tweaked.

[Mookie (original) 799]

I has Gorka Gear..

Umm How do you warmth log.? :)

 

Log out of the arctic server you're on and onto a Vilayer one :P . It's like combat logging but less dodgy.

[Destructo_Brat 45]

IMO this is great, have all the mill spec gear you want, but without basic survival tools your screwed anyway. Don't get me wrong things need fixing and balancing, but I hope that survival requirements always come first. I only started actively playing it again when I heard about all the deaths to the weather system :)

 

Dont get me wrong i LOVE the weather system and im sure when its perfected it will rock..

Guys will be hunkered down and working out how far they can go without survival supplies.

Or balancing where they can loot or what to carry to goto the next location.

 

It will stop idiots filling thier packs with ammo and bandages then running across cherno.

I agree they need fixing and a fine tuning though.

But the only way they will know this is by testing it on us and listening to feedback right. :)

Edited October 2, 2014 by Destructo_Brat

[ld-airgrafix 403]

I had a woollen jacket which got ruined by a super zed, anyway I came across a same type jacket in pristine condition, so an obvious choice is to swap them. Well now I'm freezing, but it's alpha and all that.

[smoq2 221]

lol I know, funny ain't it? Of course though, like any other newly-implemented system, bugs are to be expected. & in order to fix these bugs, they first need to properly diagnosed by us, the testers, as you've already said. I've personally not once succumbed to hypothermia (not bragging, just shedding light on my personal experience).

 

That being said, as a fresh spawn, I first look for warm/water-resistant clothing. Preferably a pristine rain coat, & water-resistant head gear such as a boonie hat, helmet, etc. Once I've obtained these, rain is no longer a threat, & I then need to focus on food & staying warm. Food can be found in abundance, so really that doesn't take long.

 

I then try to find myself an axe & matches. I typically tear any loose t-shirts into rags that I find along the way. Once I've obtained these things, I can build a fire at a moments notice if necessary. I generally go about my business even when I'm in the "cold" state. It's only when I'm in the "freezing" state that I begin to build a fire. & to my understanding the fire is bugged at the moment, & only works either outside or on the first floor of buildings. So if the fire doesn't warm you up, move it to a different location & try again.

 

If you find that these methods don't work & you're still freezing to death, I would suggest that maybe the server you're playing on is bugged?

 

It's hard for me to determine whether or not players are legitimately dying from harsh weather conditions, or a bugged system, but the system is still very new & as I'm sure you already know, will be improved with time.

 

I just personally feel that upping the temperature isn't the solution at the moment.

 

 

Yes, I very much agree that they didn't intend for the system to be irritating. But what might irritate you, may not irritate others. It's very subjective.

 

I've never personally died within 15 minutes of running with a t-shirt, but then again I don't think it's taken me more than 15 minutes to find warmer clothing? Not sure, can't really comment there.

 

 

Seems like there's a lot of grey area there. Would it not be cold > freezing > sick > hypothermic > dead? & even so, what sickness would you be prone to from the weather conditions other than a cold/flu (I'm no medical expert)? Being cold could obviously contribute to falling ill, but you wouldn't be guaranteed to fall ill every time you started to freeze to death. I'm not sure what you mean. Could you provide a link?

 

 

Yes I agree that this is generally the only way you could become hypothermic in such little time. But in all fairness, fresh spawns aren't considered perfectly healthy upon spawing anyway. Who know's what you've been exposed to before allegedly washing up on the shoreline of Chernaraus?

 

To my understanding, pneumonia is a bacterial infection. Coldness could weaken your immune system, making you more prone to the virus, but again, it's not guaranteed.

 

 

Yes, but that's a given. It's to be expected. We're still in alpha.

 

Yeah, I know we're in alpha. Hence I wrote the whole temperature system is bound to change. The only thing that bugs me are opinions that the system is ok as it is now, since it's working illogically to a degree.

 

As for the "sick" scenario I wrote, I meant that in a logical system you hypothermia would be a rare occurrence - a one you would really have to ask for. Normally you would just get an infection, like you said, from a hindered immune system, which in turn would be lethal.

 

I don't think anyone said it's a server owner setting, it's a setting preset with the Server provider. all Vilayer servers are warmer than Gamestream or whatever the servers are called.

 

I have done some checking the last few days. Any Vilayer server I enter I don't get cold. Any other server I enter I do get cold. Simple as that.

 

It's not a setting preset. It's a bug that is a side effect of some other setting which probably shouldn't even be related to weather.

 

I'm pretty sure they DID intend it to be both irritating and quickly lethal.  They are testing a new system and I doubt realism is a care at the moment - they can tweak it back at any time.  Rather devs could very easily be wanting to test the mechanics of freezing rather than the realism of a balanced temperature system.  More feedback quicker.  

 

Also, don't you find it odd that it is very difficult to get overheated (without roasting yourself on an open fire)?  To me that is a hallmark of a biased system, one biased toward a particular testing scenario.

 

It seems common among posters to assume that balanced play is a short-term goal of the devs.  I have never assumed nor expected that being in such an early stage of development.

 

And to the second point, yes swimming for 15 minutes in ice cold water would indeed bring you to a state of hypothermia.  I can't think of a more effective way to do it actually.  Consider that doctors will use ice baths to quickly lower a body's temperature to either counteract a high fever or to slow the body's processes and metabolism.  Hypothermia as a definition is merely the lowering of a person's body temperature to below 35 degrees Celsius (from a normal 37 degrees). It's quite easy to do.

 

If we're talking about now, then yes - it's suppose to be putting you through all the stages (cold>freezing>hypothermia) very fast in order to allow for gathering the data quickly.

 

Yes, the system is biased and I assume it's either for testing or bugged, or both. No matter the reason, one should not advocate for it to stay that way forever.

 

I did not rant about the devs not fixing the system. I rant about people saying that the system is great as it is, which is just the first iteration.

 

I know it's easy to bring someone into a state of hypothermia, if intended. However, you can't do that by making him stand in the rain for 5 minutes though, unless you're playing DayZ.

 

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To sum it up again...

 

I know it's alpha, I don't think anything should be changed to the system now.

 

I just don't like people defending a buggy/incomplete system just because it's something new - it's basically giving false feedback.

 

IMO, temperature should be lethal, but not directly as we have now. It should indirectly lead to illnesses, which in turn would be lethal in an environment where no adequate treatment is possible. I hope the design goes this way and not stay as it is.

[Judopunch 523]

Being privileged to be a part of an alpha test you are being tested. You are testing how much cold is to much. Personaly I find the levels of 'cold' manageable. 

[Scott61 93]

I have dies once from Hypothermia ,I was in that condition for a long time running around trying to figure out how to get warm.

Hypothermia doesnot create an ilness or bacteria but drops the body core temperature.Uusually ends up with the victim becoming disorientated,which this system does not do.

Hypothermia is known to have people take there hats and jackets off,wander around in a somwhat drunken type state and eventually they lie down and go to sleep and die.

 

I on the other hand,had the Hypothermia icon come on,kept running around searching fora way to warm up and eventually just fell unconsious and died a few moments later.

I now have a coalman stove and propane bottle,matches and an axe but I have yet to figure out how to use the matches,the stove or the axe to cut wood for a fire.

I right click on everything and no use becomes of it just allowing me to Inspect the items ?

 

Any tips on staying warm,and using the implemented ways of trying to stay warm ?

 

Running should warm a person up,although you should get sweaty thus wet then and when stopping get cold faster then sitting idle after running.

[DocWolf 146]

I have dies once from Hypothermia ,I was in that condition for a long time running around trying to figure out how to get warm.

Hypothermia doesnot create an ilness or bacteria but drops the body core temperature.Uusually ends up with the victim becoming disorientated,which this system does not do.

Hypothermia is known to have people take there hats and jackets off,wander around in a somwhat drunken type state and eventually they lie down and go to sleep and die.

 

I on the other hand,had the Hypothermia icon come on,kept running around searching fora way to warm up and eventually just fell unconsious and died a few moments later.

I now have a coalman stove and propane bottle,matches and an axe but I have yet to figure out how to use the matches,the stove or the axe to cut wood for a fire.

I right click on everything and no use becomes of it just allowing me to Inspect the items ?

 

Any tips on staying warm,and using the implemented ways of trying to stay warm ?

 

Running should warm a person up,although you should get sweaty thus wet then and when stopping get cold faster then sitting idle after running.

 

 

As said countless times before and, more importantly, as noted on the DayZ bug tracker system ANYONE playing this alpha should at least read (God forbid contribute to it), there's a nasty bug with non-Vilayer hosted servers. Basically, any server hosted by other companies seems to have a bugged temperature system: even if you're covered in warm clothes your temperature will drop regardless of activity (running produce warmth) or weather. It will not stop until you hit hypotermia status and then die.

 

In order to avoid temperature-related death on non-Vilayer servers you have to start a fire:

 

* pick up any kind of axe, or a machete

* find a bush and go near it with the weapon in your hands

* there should now be a note on your screen (chop kindling or similar)

* press F and pick up the sticks you have created felling the bush

* tale a bandage or a rag

* combine one stick with one bandage/rag  to create a fireplace kit

* drop fireplace kit on the ground where you want to start the fire (avoid buildings, as the fire in them seems to not produce heath)

* pick up any kind of axe

* find a tree and go near it with the weapon in your hands

* there should be a note on your screen (chop logs or similar)

* press F and pick up the log you have created felling the tree

* combine fireplace kit and log

* pick up matches

* approach fireplace kit with matches in your hands

* there should be a note on your screen (start fire or similar)

 

The fire should be started at this point. Stay near it and you will be warmed. Go away and the temperature bug will start cooling you again, bringing you gradually towards hypotermia and death...be advised, portable gas stoves DOES NOT warm characters in-game. I don't tink it's a bug, simply the only way to warm up is starting a proper fire. To light up gas stoves you have to combine the stove with a gas canister...at this point you start them with matches exactly like fires. You can use stoves to cook meat, but you'll need a cooking pan or frying pan and combine it with the burning stove.

Edited October 5, 2014 by DocWolf

[Tactical Nuke 47]

I had been playing on the same server I normally do and hadn't been able to get my character to get any heat into them. I was always fully clothed, pristine condition (or at minimum worn), raincoat or Gorka to keep dry. I was always shaking. Earlier today I decided to try a different server just to see if I'd have any luck and one of the first messages I got when I joined was "You are slowly warming up." My advice is to try a different server untill you find one that works for you and stay on that one.

[Scott61 93]

I appreciate the advice,I try to search and read but I find the forum difficult to navigate

thanks again for the informative post!

[pigman 7]

i barely play on vilayer servers, maybe 1/3 of the time and cold is never an issue no matter what im doing

[chironhr 0]

I have to agree with the poster on this one, I am relatively new to dayz and in no means an expert, however I loaded into a relatively un looted town and it was raining, I ran to the first house and found quite a lot of food etc now 40 minutes after last being in the rain and 35 minutes since wringing out all my clothes only to be told I was still soaked and 25 minutes since changing both my pants and my jacket, and taking of my damp bandanna. I have consumed 5 vegetables 3 cans of tactical bacon 3 tins of sardines and a whole bag of rice, several sodas and ran about 2 in game kms with my dry clothes on, my character at one stage said he was damp but is now back to soaked and has had "i am freezing" messages pop up every couple of seconds.
 

I understand the idea of lighting a fire but do feel that being full and in dry clothes running a couple of kilometers would at least warm you up to I am cold not freezing, in fear of hypothermia I am considering not logging on again until the weather is re tweaked.

 

Also it is day time.

 

If I am being a total noob and missing something obvious feel free to point it out because at this stage it seems the only way to get dry is to dye and respawn

[McWendy 675]

I just ran from Zelen to grishno with full pack and pristine gear. And im Freezing. Explain THAT if you can. Im now panicking trying to find an Axe (The one i have for axing zombies questions is ruined and wont cut trees....) Prefferably before i develop hypothermia. PLEASE FiX the thermostat. Ty Ty Ty Ty

Or just make a fire by using kindling?

You can find those by looking in bushes or use a stoneknife for it.

[cobaas@live.ie 62]

I personally like it as it currently is - otherwise going for a run and you start overheating - especially in ghillie's - and you have to go lay in a pond to cool off quickly - just means that you can't stay still for too long - but if you put you're tinned food into a fire it will warm up and actually keeps you warm for a while!

[BadAsh (DayZ) 1513]

Or just make a fire by using kindling?

You can find those by looking in bushes or use a stoneknife for it.

You couldn't do any of those things back in October.

[McWendy 675]

You couldn't do any of those things back in October.

You are right..... damn gravediggers. I forgot to look at posting date. *facepalm* (2014 its still allowed to palm) ;)