New Temperature System

[Cpanther 221]

Like I said. Can't read. If it rained pigs and we all got our necks broken because of it, it would also be "the same for everyone" but it would just be laughably unrealistic.

 

The difference here is that most people aren't having a problem with it, in fact a lot of people is "enjoying" the temperature system.. so...maybe you should evaluate the possibility that YOU are doing something wrong, and "maybe" this game is not for you.

[DeepEuphoria 69]

From the sounds of some people on this forum and Reddit, we should all spawn with fully kitted M4's with unlimited ammo, a dozen grenades, full pristine Military gear, high-caps, hunter backpacks, MP5's of course with unlimited ammo or a Mosin+LRS, all player conditions removed so you never get hungry or cold, everyone has 10x health and everyone spawns near each other and the map is only tiny, about the size of the NWAF so you don't have to run........ There we go, all fixed. And it doessn't resemble Call of Duty at all.

 

Would That Make It Easier For You Little Whiners!

Edited September 24, 2014 by euphoria4949

[CJFlint 357]

I think the temp system took me a little time to figure out to be honest, but really its just common since. Your cold find a jacket, dress for the cold. If it starts raining stay out of it for the most part unless you have a jacket that can keep you dry or you plan on starting a fire to warm back up, once you get to were you need to go. Pretty simple. Although I will say being a fresh spawn with nothing, your in a more cridical situation then before. Thats when its the hardest to deal with. Once you have the proper gear the temp is a none issue. 

 

I do think the rain is a little heavy handed though, I did get hypothermic after really only playing for 15 minutes, when I 1st started on the new patch. But I adapted and learned just stay out of it, until it stops If I dont have a way of staying dry. Or want to have to resort to starting a fire. In theory a gas stove could warm you back up too. Although I have not tried it yet. But the reality it take much more time then that to become hypothermic just from rain exposer. I mean it would have to be a complete down pour of freezing rain of freezing rain to even come close. Really that the only issue I saw with it, and it really isn't that big if one.

 

Over all its a good add to the game, but I think needs some minor tweaking mainly with the rain.

Edited September 24, 2014 by CJFlint

[Whyherro123 2283]

Thirty minutes in average eastern European sub-zero temperatures causing hypothermia is OP, my friend. Like I said. Try it out. Put on the gear like I have on this winter and spend thirty minutes outside.

 

 

It ISN'T sub-zero in Chernarus. 

 

Most likely, it is mid-October in-game (based upon the colors of the foliage, availability of crops, etc). Now, Chernarus and where I live (new England) are on a similar latitude, with similar environments (ocean right next door to moderate temp). Want to know what I wear during the day in October? 

 

A long-sleeved shirt (think the "Green Checked Shirt" in-game) a pair of pants, and a sweatshirt if it is particularly windy. And even this can get a little warm if the sun is directly on me.

 

Now, I enjoy the fact that there is hypothermia in-game, but the level of clothing you need to wear is pretty ridiculous. Again, similar environments and temperatures to wear I live, and I don't have to wear down-insulated jackets until JANUARY, AKA deep into winter. Until then, I can rather comfortably get by with wool coats, gloves, scarves and a hat, even if there is snow on the ground.

 

I am of the personal opinion that your "degree of healthiness" should have a severe effect on how warm you are, and how fast the weather affects you. IRL, if you are well-fed, rested and hydrated, it is relatively easy to maintain homeostasis (AKA wear a sweatshirt and a hat). If you are tired, sick, hungry, etc, it becomes progressively more difficult to maintain homeostasis ( AKA need more and more clothing)

 

But this current level of "go outside and die" is rather stupid. Ask someone with actual pertinent survival knowledge next time. This is on the same level of foolishness as making the RL "good" berries poisonous, and the RL "toxic" berries good to eat.

[TwinSpire 49]

I think its  a good addition to the game for survival.  Though I think balancing of clothing might be needed, or at least more thought given current systems and even roughing out future.

 

Seems like most new items now require military spawns/gear, this bias if you will seems to be getting worse.  There doesn't seem to be the trade off one would expect.  This holds more gear, but gets soaked.  This raincoat keeps soaked status but only has 2 slots etc.

 

Right now, Gorka reigns supreme.  You have Gorka gear, no worries about rain/cold, camo and good storage.  There is very little downside to Gorka.  The same was true before weather system with TTKSO gear, but in that case you could give up a few slots and use hoodies and hunter/cargo pants to have a civie equivalent.   With current weather, especially rain/soaked, the only civie even close is the raincoat and while easier to find then in the past, it seems much less frequent then Gorka.

 

I would also agree that starting players should have a hoodie or something.  If this is USSR why would someone have just a t shirt while hanging out outside?

[CJFlint 357]

Artic weather would be cool to see. Would be pretty harsh for a new spawn though.You got 5 mintues to find a warm close and start a fire.......or you DIE LOL.

 

The bitching on the forums would reach truely epic levels!

Edited September 24, 2014 by CJFlint

[Cpanther 221]

It ISN'T sub-zero in Chernarus. 

 

Most likely, it is mid-October in-game (based upon the colors of the foliage, availability of crops, etc). Now, Chernarus and where I live (new England) are on a similar latitude, with similar environments (ocean right next door to moderate temp). Want to know what I wear during the day in October? 

 

A long-sleeved shirt (think the "Green Checked Shirt" in-game) a pair of pants, and a sweatshirt if it is particularly windy. And even this can get a little warm if the sun is directly on me.

 

Now, I enjoy the fact that there is hypothermia in-game, but the level of clothing you need to wear is pretty ridiculous. Again, similar environments and temperatures to wear I live, and I don't have to wear down-insulated jackets until JANUARY, AKA deep into winter. Until then, I can rather comfortably get by with wool coats, gloves, scarves and a hat, even if there is snow on the ground.

 

I am of the personal opinion that your "degree of healthiness" should have a severe effect on how warm you are, and how fast the weather affects you. IRL, if you are well-fed, rested and hydrated, it is relatively easy to maintain homeostasis (AKA wear a sweatshirt and a hat). If you are tired, sick, hungry, etc, it becomes progressively more difficult to maintain homeostasis ( AKA need more and more clothing)

 

But this current level of "go outside and die" is rather stupid. Ask someone with actual pertinent survival knowledge next time. This is on the same level of foolishness as making the RL "good" berries poisonous, and the RL "toxic" berries good to eat.

 

Chernarus is a "fictional" place... so any real life connection isn't valid, secondly.. the "game-mechanics" are to add difficulty levels to the game, which is what the temperature system is, a "layer of difficulty"..and finally, you got the berries fact a bit wrong.. ... 

[Whyherro123 2283]

Chernarus is a "fictional" place... so any real life connection isn't valid, secondly.. the "game-mechanics" are to add difficulty levels to the game, which is what the temperature system is, a "layer of difficulty"..and finally, you got the berries fact a bit wrong.. ... 

How so?

 

The fact that the deciduous trees are dropping foliage suggests that it is Autumn. The types of trees growing suggests a "specific ecoclime" of deciduous forest, and the types of crops growing (pumpkins, apples, potatoes, and wheat) cements its latitude. Isn't Chernarus supposed to be located on the Black Sea? Take a look at a map sometime, and you will notice that New England and the Black Sea are essentially on the same latitude. 

 

See, there is adding difficulty, then there is just foolishness. It is in Alpha, so I expect the current idiocy that is temperature to be changed into something that is more realistic. Isn't "realism" supposed to be what the Devs are striving for? Because this currently is not realistic.

 

Finally, if you eat the blue berries in Day Z, you get sick and die. The blue berries are GODDAMN BLUEBERRIES, AKA the few berries that are perfectly safe to eat! If you look at the model, the berries have a "crown" on the bottom, which is a real-life indicator of their edibility. They are called "King Berries" because of this. ( The Day Z wiki labels them "sambucus" AKA elderberries, but that is not what an eldeberry looks like...) If you eat the red berries, you are fine. The red berries are HOLLY BERRIES, AKA toxic. If you eat them, you will get truly horrendous diarrhea and vomiting episodes.

[CJFlint 357]

To add abit more, from what I noticed its def more something to contend with when your a fresh spawn. It makes it seem like your situation is seem more credical. This is cool. I found it added a bit more challenge to being a fresh spawn.

 

Once I geared up properly, its really not that big of a deal. In fact its just something kind of in the back ground.

Edited September 24, 2014 by CJFlint

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

Wow people, cry some more.  If you can't handle the testing, stay out of the alpha.  We are in a development build where things are going to change drastically and even break/get broken.  Also, as was pointed out, Chernarus is a fictional place in a "video game".  Environmental effects are there to add to the difficulty of surviving.  We don't know what the ambient temperature is outside but as we can see our breath at pretty much any time of day, I can guarantee it is a tad chilly outside to be running around in a t-shirt,

[Cpanther 221]

How so?

 

The fact that the deciduous trees are dropping foliage suggests that it is Autumn. The types of trees growing suggests a "specific ecoclime" of deciduous forest, and the types of crops growing (pumpkins, apples, potatoes, and wheat) cements its latitude. Isn't Chernarus supposed to be located on the Black Sea? Take a look at a map sometime, and you will notice that New England and the Black Sea are essentially on the same latitude. 

 

See, there is adding difficulty, then there is just foolishness. It is in Alpha, so I expect the current idiocy that is temperature to be changed into something that is more realistic. Isn't "realism" supposed to be what the Devs are striving for? Because this currently is not realistic.

 

Finally, if you eat the blue berries in Day Z, you get sick and die. The blue berries are GODDAMN BLUEBERRIES, AKA the few berries that are perfectly safe to eat! If you look at the model, the berries have a "crown" on the bottom, which is a real-life indicator of their edibility. They are called "King Berries" because of this. ( The Day Z wiki labels them "sambucus" AKA elderberries, but that is not what an eldeberry looks like...) If you eat the red berries, you are fine. The red berries are HOLLY BERRIES, AKA toxic. If you eat them, you will get truly horrendous diarrhea and vomiting episodes.

 

Isn't realistic that we respawn every time we die.. you want to complain about that too ? What about fixing you broken leg with a couple of sticks.. realistic, yes ? Running none stop for 6 hours with a backpack full with guns and ammo.. yeah, that is realistic..what about finding cans of food everywhere ? yeah, that sounds about right...oh... and getting shoot and "just" bandaging yourself and is all good like nothing happen... that is super realistic ..

 

and by the way... you still have the berries fact wrong. 

Edited September 24, 2014 by Cpanther

[Whyherro123 2283]

Isn't realistic that we respawn every time we die.. you want to complain about that too ? What about fixing you broken leg with a couple of sticks.. realistic, yes ? Running none stop for 6 hours with a backpack full with guns and ammo.. yeah, that is realistic..what about finding cans of food everywhere ? yeah, that sounds about right...oh... and getting shoot and "just" bandaging yourself and is all good like nothing happen... that is super realistic ..

 

and by the way... you still have the berries fact wrong. 

All of that will be fixed. I do believe that there is a Stamina system being worked on.

 

http://dayz-standalone.wikia.com/wiki/Berries

 

How am I wrong? That I said "Holly" instead of "mistletoe"?  I apologize, oh great and worthy one.

Edited September 24, 2014 by Whyherro123

[Cpanther 221]

All of that will be fixed. I do believe that there is a Stamina system being worked on.

 

http://dayz-standalone.wikia.com/wiki/Berries

 

How am I wrong? That I said "Holly" instead of "mistletoe"?  I apologize, oh great and worthy one.

 

Nah.. i just saying.. not all red berries are poisonous.. and...Canina berries don't exist..well.. they do.. but only in DayZ.

[Whyherro123 2283]

Nah.. i just saying.. not all red berries are poisonous.. and...Canina berries don't exist..well.. they do.. but only in DayZ.

Yes, good job, not all red berries are poisonous. There are strawberries, raspberries, bearberries, cranberries...... All of which are perfectly edible.

 

However, my issue with this is that the devs didn't use any of those berries for the "edible" berry. They went with something that is likely going to kill you if eaten in a RL survival situation. As well as making one of the more edible (and common, where I live) berries in the wild toxic, in the form of the blueberry (apparently, they are supposed to be elderberries, but again, elderberries do not look like blueberries, not by a long shot)

 

It would be nice if they switched this around, as I died earlier in the alpha because I relied on my real-world survival knowledge. 

[Cpanther 221]

Yes, good job, not all red berries are poisonous. There are strawberries, raspberries, bearberries, cranberries...... All of which are perfectly edible.

 

However, my issue with this is that the devs didn't use any of those berries for the "edible" berry. They went with something that is likely going to kill you if eaten in a RL survival situation. As well as making one of the more edible (and common, where I live) berries in the wild toxic, in the form of the blueberry (apparently, they are supposed to be elderberries, but again, elderberries do not look like blueberries, not by a long shot)

 

It would be nice if they switched this around, as I died earlier in the alpha because I relied on my real-world survival knowledge. 

 

Well..it is more edible red berries than it is blue berries..in fact most blue/dark berries aren't good for you. Considering that DayZ is fictional, most people will assume that "red" is something you can eat...also.. what you can or can't eat will be different depending on where you are in the world, so the survival knowledge you have from "you" country, may kill you in another country.

Edited September 24, 2014 by Cpanther

[CJFlint 357]

Yes, good job, not all red berries are poisonous. There are strawberries, raspberries, bearberries, cranberries...... All of which are perfectly edible.

 

However, my issue with this is that the devs didn't use any of those berries for the "edible" berry. They went with something that is likely going to kill you if eaten in a RL survival situation. As well as making one of the more edible (and common, where I live) berries in the wild toxic, in the form of the blueberry (apparently, they are supposed to be elderberries, but again, elderberries do not look like blueberries, not by a long shot)

 

It would be nice if they switched this around, as I died earlier in the alpha because I relied on my real-world survival knowledge. 

You died from eating a berry.......cough cough :thumbsup:  :beans:  :beans:  :thumbsup: .my goodness....1st time I ever heard of that LOL

 

Your all serous and pist off about it too which makes it more funny at your expence. LOL

 

Serously the download over wolf overlay. You can look stuff up while your playing and even use the dayZ tv map. I would have just went to the wiki and found out wether I could eat it or not.

Edited September 24, 2014 by CJFlint

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

I died earlier in the alpha because I relied on my real-world survival knowledge. 

Damn, I hope you don't try applying video game knowledge to real life  :o

[Whyherro123 2283]

You died from eating a berry.......cough cough :thumbsup:  :beans:  :beans:  :thumbsup: .my goodness....1st time I ever heard of that LOL

 

Your all serous and pist off about it too which makes it more funny at your expence. LOL

 

Serously the download over wolf overlay. You can look stuff up while your playing and even use the dayZ tv map. I would have just went to the wiki and found out wether I could eat it or not.

I am not going to sacrifice my precious FPS when I can just alt-tab.

 

Also, best hope you never do anything wrong in the wilds, because the real world is much less forgiving than Day Z. All berries in high amounts are a diuretic, so even if they are safe to eat you STILL could end up sick. Also, if you eat something your body isn't used to, you will throw it up. Finally, I hope you don't plan on subsiding on those cans of peaches and beans for longer than a week, because 1) your stomach will get tired of it after a while and get rid of it (AKA throw it up) and 2) enjoy your nutritional deficiencies! ( AKA hair and teeth falling out, depressed immune system, wounds take longer to heal, etc etc)

 

PS. At least I can spell. LOL

[Whyherro123 2283]

Damn, I hope you don't try applying video game knowledge to real life  :o

Oh no. It was just that the in-game "toxic" berry has the model of a blueberry, AKA a very edible and rather tasty berry. I assumed (using my real-world knowledge) that it would be safe to eat. You all know what happens when you assume....

 

You die in the woods and people laugh at you for not metagaming!

[pillock 850]

There are both poisonous blue berries and edible red berries that resemble the ones in DayZ. But in general, there are more poisonous red types than blue ones. What I find strange about the berries in DayZ is that the former inhabitants seemed to enjoy deliberately filling their gardens with neat rows of the poisonous berries, while the edible red ones are more usually found growing wild.

 

Anyway.

 

The thermia conditions are a welcome addition, as far as I'm concerned - but I'd like to see side effects introduced (narrowing/blurring of vision, shivering affecting weapon aim, etc) and a lengthening of the time it takes you pass out/die from cold, so that you have to put up with said side effects over a period of time.

[Cpanther 221]

I am not going to sacrifice my precious FPS when I can just alt-tab.

 

Also, best hope you never do anything wrong in the wilds, because the real world is much less forgiving than Day Z. All berries in high amounts are a diuretic, so even if they are safe to eat you STILL could end up sick. Also, if you eat something your body isn't used to, you will throw it up. Finally, I hope you don't plan on subsiding on those cans of peaches and beans for longer than a week, because 1) your stomach will get tired of it after a while and get rid of it (AKA throw it up) and 2) enjoy your nutritional deficiencies! ( AKA hair and teeth falling out, depressed immune system, wounds take longer to heal, etc etc)

 

PS. At least I can spell. LOL

 

Yeah, well... DayZ still is only game, and real life survival will be a pain in the ass to add into a game. The best they can do is try to get as close as possible.  ;)

[Whyherro123 2283]

There are both poisonous blue berries and edible red berries that resemble the ones in DayZ. But in general, there are more poisonous red types than blue ones. What I find strange about the berries in DayZ is that the former inhabitants seemed to enjoy deliberately filling their gardens with neat rows of the poisonous berries, while the edible red ones are more usually found growing wild.

 

Anyway.

 

The thermia conditions are a welcome addition, as far as I'm concerned - but I'd like to see side effects introduced (narrowing/blurring of vision, shivering affecting weapon aim, etc) and a lengthening of the time it takes you pass out/die from cold, so that you have to put up with said side effects over a period of time.

Pretty much. 

 

The only real rationale I can think of is the fact that the toxic berries are used as an ornamental bush? I dunno.

[CJFlint 357]

I am not going to sacrifice my precious FPS when I can just alt-tab.

 

Also, best hope you never do anything wrong in the wilds, because the real world is much less forgiving than Day Z. All berries in high amounts are a diuretic, so even if they are safe to eat you STILL could end up sick. Also, if you eat something your body isn't used to, you will throw it up. Finally, I hope you don't plan on subsiding on those cans of peaches and beans for longer than a week, because 1) your stomach will get tired of it after a while and get rid of it (AKA throw it up) and 2) enjoy your nutritional deficiencies! ( AKA hair and teeth falling out, depressed immune system, wounds take longer to heal, etc etc)

 

PS. At least I can spell. LOL

You died from eating a berry......just laugh about it....its funny. I have died as well.....from being shot by other players....falling off ladders...ect. You seriously didn't look that up? I would have. Whats with all this throwing up this and that you speak of? You throw up in the game? LOL I never get sick in game or die of sickness in the game LOL I have to look for trouble pvping to die....just because I'm bored, its almost deliberate. What is the wilds? What are you talking about? God dam one of your posts you saying you poop pants from eating berrys....WTF are you speaking of!?! I didn't know you could that in DayZ SA LOLOL Jesus Christ all mighty! I'm almost in tears reading this stuff you post.

 

Look man....this game is 50% survival common since...50% knowing how the game works....emk..Seriously all joking aside. Pay a visit to the wiki and read up on the game mechanics. Its not 100% realistic, but is fairly realistic.

Edited September 24, 2014 by CJFlint

[Cpanther 221]

There are both poisonous blue berries and edible red berries that resemble the ones in DayZ. But in general, there are more poisonous red types than blue ones. What I find strange about the berries in DayZ is that the former inhabitants seemed to enjoy deliberately filling their gardens with neat rows of the poisonous berries, while the edible red ones are more usually found growing wild.

 

Anyway.

 

The thermia conditions are a welcome addition, as far as I'm concerned - but I'd like to see side effects introduced (narrowing/blurring of vision, shivering affecting weapon aim, etc) and a lengthening of the time it takes you pass out/die from cold, so that you have to put up with said side effects over a period of time.

 

Most edible berries are either Red or Black, just saying, the majority of blue berries are a big NO,NO.

 

Strawberries

Tomatoes

redcurrant

raspberries 

grapes

 

just to say few...

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

Most edible berries are either Red or Black, just saying, the majority of blue berries are a big NO,NO.

 

Strawberries

Tomatoes

redcurrant

raspberries 

grapes

 

just to say few...

White and yellow, kill a fellow.

Purple and blue, good for you.

Red... could be good, could be dead.

 

Also, if you find red berries in clusters chances are they are not good for you but single ones for the most part are ok

Edited September 24, 2014 by Caboose187