Wooden arrows?

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

Isn't firing wooden arrows from a compound crossbow something that isn't advised by archery experts? From what I've learned, they are too flexible and will possibly break under the increased forces of a compound bow or crossbow.

 

Perhaps they could add a chance to break and injure the person firing? It just seems wrong that you can fire wooden arrows with absolutely no risk, when that isn't the way it is in real life.

[Whyherro123 2283]

Isn't firing wooden arrows from a compound crossbow something that isn't advised by archery experts? From what I've learned, they are too flexible and will possibly break under the increased forces of a compound bow or crossbow.

 

Perhaps they could add a chance to break and injure the person firing? It just seems wrong that you can fire wooden arrows with absolutely no risk, when that isn't the way it is in real life.

IIRC correctly, the "improvised arrows" can only be used in the "improvised bow", which makes sense. And, you can totally shoot wooden arrows from a compound bow IRL, so long as you are careful.  There isn't necessarily any more force imparted into an arrow by a compound vs a recurve/selfbow. The "compound" cams just make it easier to draw and hold the string back.

 

Case in point: I own a compound bow that has a 45lbs "draw weight", with the release weight about 65lbs. I've also made a wooden selfbow out of an oaken branch that had a draw-and-release weight of about 80lbs. (Yes, that thing was a beast). I shot the same wooden arrows from both. Granted, the arrows I made were sturdy, heavy-survive-the-apocalypse hunting arrows and not so much for distance, but still.

 

If the devs want to make wooden bolts for the crossbow, that is just asinine.

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

There isn't necessarily any more force imparted into an arrow by a compound vs a recurve/selfbow. The "compound" cams just make it easier to draw and hold the string back.

 

I don't think that's true. When you release a compound bow, it accelerates the arrow in a sudden jolt rather than the consistent pull you get with a conventional bow.

 

I'm just saying in a survival situation you don't want to take risks. If firing wooden arrows is a bigger risk than it should be reflected in the game. I know you can use wooden arrows in a compound bow, but video games aren't like real life, they're consistent unless programmed otherwise. If we have wooden arrows that work 100% of the time, that's unauthentic.

[hombrecz 832]

If the devs want to make wooden bolts for the crossbow, that is just asinine.

 

Come on man! Without any hopes for crossbow bolts/arrows crafting, the crossbow will be next to useless and bow will reign unchalenged!

But maybe industrials could spawn some kind of material, that could be used for xbow bolts crafting? 

 

Also hope devs will add more rare compound bow. Would make no sense to have only craftable bow right?

Edited September 6, 2014 by Hombre

[Whyherro123 2283]

I don't think that's true. When you release a compound bow, it accelerates the arrow in a sudden jolt rather than the consistent pull you get with a conventional bow.

 

I'm just saying in a survival situation you don't want to take risks. If firing wooden arrows is a bigger risk than it should be reflected in the game. I know you can use wooden arrows in a compound bow, but video games aren't like real life, they're consistent unless programmed otherwise. If we have wooden arrows that work 100% of the time, that's unauthentic.

Not quite. The "jolt" you get from a compound bow is the exact same jolt you would get from a selfbow of similar draw weight. Both arrows are going to be "jolted", due to the rapid acceleration of the string, then the arrow.

 

Again, there is little "physical" difference in a compound bow and a selfbow, both fire arrows in exactly the same way. A compound is just easier to draw and hold due to mechanical assistance.

[Whyherro123 2283]

Come on man! Without any hopes for crossbow bolts/arrows crafting, the crossbow will be next to useless and bow will reign unchalenged!

But maybe industrials could spawn some kind of material, that could be used for xbow bolts crafting? 

 

Also hope devs will add more rare compound bow. Would make no sense to have only craftable bow right?

The forces involved in a crossbow are of significantly higher magnitude than a self/compound bow of the same size.

 

Are there wooden crossbow bolts? Yes Are they significantly different (thicker, shorter, heavily reinforced) than arrows? Yes. The forces are different.

[hombrecz 832]

The forces involved in a crossbow are of significantly higher magnitude than a self/compound bow of the same size.

 

Are there wooden crossbow bolts? Yes Are they significantly different (thicker, shorter, heavily reinforced) than arrows? Yes. The forces are different.

 

Ah ok. In that case we can just pretend that those sticks needed for bolts are just thicker and have model of bolts reflect that.

We definitely need the ability to craft them though, since without it crossbow is useless.

Edited September 6, 2014 by Hombre

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

Not quite. The "jolt" you get from a compound bow is the exact same jolt you would get from a selfbow of similar draw weight. Both arrows are going to be "jolted", due to the rapid acceleration of the string, then the arrow.

 

Again, there is little "physical" difference in a compound bow and a selfbow, both fire arrows in exactly the same way. A compound is just easier to draw and hold due to mechanical assistance.

 

Quote from somebody who knows more about this than I do...

 

A compound bow stores a tremendous amount of energy in the limbs, and when the string is released, the limbs and cams propell the string forward in a vastly higher speed than ANY trad bow.

 

From a discussion about wooden arrows from compound bows on an archery forum...

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1250591

Most of the people there say it's possible, but dangerous to fire wooden arrows from a compound bow.

[Whyherro123 2283]

Quote from somebody who knows more about this than I do...

 

 

 

 

From a discussion about wooden arrows from compound bows on an archery forum...

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1250591

Most of the people there say it's possible, but dangerous to fire wooden arrows from a compound bow.

Maybe. All I know is that I use the same wooden arrows in my 80-ish pound selfbow that I used in my 45lb compound. I've never had any problems with it. Maybe a higher weight compound would be correspondingly more dangerous? (Even though you don't really need a higher weight compound. 45lbs is more than enough to kill a deer [or a person] with proper shot placement)

[blackberrygoo 1416]

I've only had wooden arrows made from a guy down the street who gives them out for free.

my long bow after a full draw , can definitely break those bitches on impact , and the tips seem to be made out of some kind of tin or something (weird old man ) but out of my short bow, if I'm hitting a soft target the arrow usually always stays straight and unbroken .. I definitely believe that wooden arrows work but like others said there could be a risk ...

But hell me and my cousin doused one of the arrows in gasoline and wrapped a small gasoline rag around it and lit her up , shooting it is scary and it was a bit weighed down at the tip but it burned the target a little before we put it out , so maybe if the wooden arrows are able to be broken easily in the game , we could add fire and poison to them to make them worth while (and more realistic so there's no super wooden arrows) as the improvised bow almost looks long enough to be a long bow so technically they would break if we had just widdled it out of a small thin stick :0

[bonesnap 75]

Zzz...

 

Bows already suck, stop trying to butcher them more for the sake of "realism".

 

If I had my way with realism, there would be broken down cars and working vehicles with empty fuel tanks everywhere. That's an apocalypse. But then there will be the people qq'ing saying it should be endgame content only. You really can't win it all.

Edited September 8, 2014 by bonesnap

[Death By Crowbar 1213]

I've also made a wooden selfbow out of an oaken branch that had a draw-and-release weight of about 80lbs. (Yes, that thing was a beast).

When the real apocalypse happens I want to be on good terms with the guy who actually knows how to make a bow!

[Whyherro123 2283]

When the real apocalypse happens I want to be on good terms with the guy who actually knows how to make a bow!

It is very fun, and nothing is more satisfying than shooting arrows you've made from a bow you've made.

 

However, it is rather technical, and if you don't know what you are doing, it pretty much isn't worth it. A well-made spear (which I have as well) is worth more than a poorly made bow.

 

A bowshaft is under many different forces, some of them in opposition. If you don't shape it juuuuussssstttttt right, the bow will break, in the very least. I've had a bowshaft explode in my hands when trying to string it, after about 6 hours of shaping. I had microscopic splinters in my forehead, cheeks and neck for weeks (NOTE: wear safety goggles)

 

Plus, it takes a lot of training to use a bow effectively. I "downsized" from the 80lb bow to a 40lb selfbow from birch for that exact reason. The harder the pull, the more training it requires. However, I can now hit a gallon-milk-jug sized target at 20 yards 7/100 times.

[Death By Crowbar 1213]

Plus, it takes a lot of training to use a bow effectively. I "downsized" from the 80lb bow to a 40lb selfbow from birch for that exact reason. The harder the pull, the more training it requires. However, I can now hit a gallon-milk-jug sized target at 20 yards 7/100 times.

I'm assuming you meant 7/10 times... but either way it's about how accurate I feel sometimes in DayZ.  :D