Why is this a thing?

[frosti 2165]

If most countries require owning a safe.....

How do they enforce that? I ask because I agree with the idea. I keep my ww2 pistols in a safe and wish all gun owners did too. Less kids would get hurt.

But how do countries encourage or enforce owning a safe?

 

In Poland for example:

 

You will not get gun license that allows you to buy the gun before you show certificates that you own the safes.

Also police may do random inspection to check if you own the safes and use them at any time.

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

In Poland for example:

 

You will not get gun license that allows you to buy the gun before you show certificates that you own the safes.

Also police may do random inspection to check if you own the safes and use them at any time.

In America for example: 

 

You cannot get a gun license so you head on down to your local shady neighborhood and talk to the local thugs.  You then take said gun home where your child can get a hold of it and take it to school..

[Max Planck 7174]

Lets get back to the topic of Mags.

 

 

Let's.

 

No more 'your country sucks' talk, okay?

It's just nicer that way.

[terra_young@hotmail.com 12]

Yes, imagine this scenario:

 

"Honey, there are a bunch of zombies at the door, can you talk to them?"

"Will do darling."

gets gun from safe, walks to other secure area and gets clip.

walks to other area and gets ammo.

walks outside and shoots zombies.

walks back in and places ammo back into storage.

walks back to other room and places clip in storage.

walks back to safe and places gun in storage.

"There honey, I spoke with them, it's all good now"

"okay, thanks dear"

 

Yes, its such a realistic system they have there. I see it happening just like I described. Bash us poor cowboys all you want, but we won't be stupid enough to leave clips and ammo away from our guns in a ZA.

 

The developers putting an artificial control onto something to try and compensate for failures elsewhere. They should make it as realistic as possible. It would require them to spawn the guns with clips and possible chance at some ammo too, but just reduce the overall number of guns. Not hard. and it eliminates the stupid problem we have now.

 

.....really? You really think someone would keep there gun stored if zombies hit the world? They would get the gun first sign of a zed, thats the smart ones, stupid ones would openm there door and let them in...>_>

[mercules 1290]

You can't find any jeeps anywhere in Chenarus. Jeep is an American off-road vehicle brand.

The cars that you call jeeps are UAZ-469, Soviet and later Russian made off-road vehicles.

 

The UAZ replaced Soviet GAZ and the Jeeps that the Soviets had and were using. The design is similar and it fills the same role as the American Jeep and British Landrover. The design is remarkably similar to Jeeps as well.

UAZ:

http://data3.primeportal.net/trucks/egor_kalmykov/uaz-469_1/images/uaz-469_1_04_of_93.jpg

Jeep:

http://cj3b.info/Photos/Netherlands/RNLAFCJ3BAmbulanceVanderveen.jpg

So back on topic, you can find mags for pistols in the Jeep looking UAZ wrecks that are everywhere. One could make a joke that those actually are Jeep wrecks and the more easily maintained UAZ are still on the road driving around. 

I can very easily see many scenarios where a gun and clip are not together. For one thing typically they are not stored together. My friends don't keep a full mag in the gun but have it filled and separate so that when they need it they can simply slap it in. It's likely that people who got their mag into their guns and had extras made it out of the area while those who dropped it, didn't reach it, or had too few are now wandering around. It's possible they had an empty gun in one hand and the mag in the other when attacked and they went in two different directions. 

So if you are finding stored guns, the mags are not typically in them. If you are finding dropped guns, it may have been dropped because the person using it ran out of mags or was attacked while reloading. Not all of us practice speed loading on a regular basis. 

[blowurselfup 54]

I wouldn't expect EVERY gun to have a full clip in it...but I think most of them should have AT LEAST an empty clip in it or near it

 

since this is a post apocalyptic world..laws of the community that did exist would be widely ignored

[DeatHTaX 1217]

You can't find any jeeps anywhere in Chenarus. Jeep is an American off-road vehicle brand.

The cars that you call jeeps are UAZ-469, Soviet and later Russian made off-road vehicles.

 

Oh for the love of...

 

We all knew what he meant by jeeps. Thank you for the history lesson lol xD

[mercules 1290]

.....really? You really think someone would keep there gun stored if zombies hit the world? They would get the gun first sign of a zed, thats the smart ones, stupid ones would openm there door and let them in...>_>

 

Two problems with that. 

1. You are assuming that people had warning.

2. You are assuming that the situation was clear as to what was happening and that they believed it.

As to #1. In another thread we are discussing the logical evolution of the zeds and apocalypse. Most of us agree it was probably very fast spreading and thus likely airborn. If it was then that person or someone more susceptible in their household fell ill and turned before they knew they would need the gun and it was simply never taken out. 

 

[aasand 92]

It doesn't make sense that most pistols don't have mags in them. Limit ammunition, not mags i would say. And in my country mags in themselves area't banned for being kept with the gun but the ammo and firing pin and so on. For gameplay i would say make mags more common, but bullets less.

Edited July 31, 2014 by aasand

[foxdie_01 121]

Its a way of balancing weapons, by making them slightly less accessible, and if they didn't do that with mags, they'd do it with ammo. Where the same topic would appear saying "why does this gun and mag have no ammo. Isn't obvious that you'd have ammo right next to the gun?"

[randomspawn 215]

.....really? You really think someone would keep there gun stored if zombies hit the world? They would get the gun first sign of a zed, thats the smart ones, stupid ones would openm there door and let them in...>_>

Well, I was responding to someone who said their gun laws were so much better than those in the US. I would assume that having an infection in their country would not make the citizens lawless, would it? Would they really start breaking the law and keep ammo and guns together? I doubt it... ;)

 

Its a way of balancing weapons, by making them slightly less accessible, and if they didn't do that with mags, they'd do it with ammo. Where the same topic would appear saying "why does this gun and mag have no ammo. Isn't obvious that you'd have ammo right next to the gun?"

If the problem is weapons accessibility, just limit the weapons. What is wrong with that? Why create artificial scenarios where people never have ammo and guns together during a ZA? Just make the gun spawns a set percentage less likely to occur, but give most of them the needed magazines, and occasionally ammo too.

[EvilTigerAce 131]

Yes. In most of Europe that I know you must keep your gun in the special safe and ammunition in other safe.

 

No such freedom like in the USA to keep your gun in the drawer under the socks or in empty shoe box on top of the wardrobe.

 

That's true. (I live in The Netherlands, oh gosh, the rules are extremely strict about fire-arms but you can actually buy them in 'trunks of cars at parking lots' if you know what I mean, but-

 

Why are bullets not scarce but mags are?

[pillock 850]

That's true. (I live in The Netherlands, oh gosh, the rules are extremely strict about fire-arms but you can actually buy them in 'trunks of cars at parking lots' if you know what I mean, but-

 

Why are bullets not scarce but mags are?

 

It's quite obvious to me. The gun laws in Chernarus stipulate that you must keep firearms in the local barn, ammo in your house, and magazines in the military barracks. Therefore, nobody had the chance to use up their ammo, hence why there is so much of it lying about.

[Elvis 22222222 31]

 

:( This game would be more fun in Texas

 

 

 

 

I don't really want it to be a COD. I want it to be like the Last of Us. Little ammo, but MAGS. 1 MAG, that comes WITH THE GUN (In them) cause it's a ZA and they died WITH one or NEXT to them. 

 

They should spawn on military zombies & police officers

 

My apologies if the pictures are inappropriate,I don't read the the user agreement thing, ever. 

[Elvis 22222222 31]

Its a way of balancing weapons, by making them slightly less accessible, and if they didn't do that with mags, they'd do it with ammo. Where the same topic would appear saying "why does this gun and mag have no ammo. Isn't obvious that you'd have ammo right next to the gun?"

 

List of strongest arguments in order 

 

1. Why are there no guns in a ZA? It is a ZA they should be in farm houses, Military bases, Civilian housing, and Police stations. 

2. Why are there no mags for guns? They should come empty or with little ammo in them next to a dead civilian, cop, military, hunter etc... You NEED a MAG for your GUN

3. Why are there no bullets? 

-I'll tell you why

 

You need to survive! You keep the guns so that you can protect yourself! You need them to be in working order so you need mags to hold bullets to shoot. Bullets are the things you fire to protect yourself. The more zombies the less bullets you have, the longer you live the less bullets you have. But you still KEEP the gun & mags so that you have THE best chance of surviving because the defense weapon has the highest efficiency with all the attachments. When you run out of bullets you die and leave that empty gun of yours with that empty mag. You don't throw it in a field and laugh as your ate alive. 

 

You almost should NEVER have a FULL two clips of ammo capability in the first two minutes into you spawn after looting a Fire station.

 

-God that grammer

Edited August 1, 2014 by Elvis 22222222

[a_ruttle 199]

DayZ is not set in Texas but in cummunistic Chernorus.

 

Also in case of zombie apocalypse all food, medical suplies and guns (including ammo and magazine) would be first to be cleared and people with guns would fled out of the country away from zombies.

 

Like for zombie apocalypse guns are too easy to find everywhere. Also considering this that DayZ doesn't take place in USA but in cummunistic part of Europe.

Chernarus wasn't Communist, unless your ArmA2 campaign had the bad ending

[terra_young@hotmail.com 12]

Two problems with that. 

1. You are assuming that people had warning.

2. You are assuming that the situation was clear as to what was happening and that they believed it.

As to #1. In another thread we are discussing the logical evolution of the zeds and apocalypse. Most of us agree it was probably very fast spreading and thus likely airborn. If it was then that person or someone more susceptible in their household fell ill and turned before they knew they would need the gun and it was simply never taken out. 

 

 

 

1. I didn't assume, this is based on the ones that are still alive to come to this point of thinking.

 

2. Sorry but if you seen/heard crazy people running around eatting other people don't you think they would be alarmed?

 

3. Also the airborne thing, you can't really assume that, since alot of viruses act in different ways, the most commen is from surfaces/phyical contact, airborne vriuses are prosumed the most common one due to movies/games/novels/books using it alot, e.g. resident evil.

[terra_young@hotmail.com 12]

Well, I was responding to someone who said their gun laws were so much better than those in the US. I would assume that having an infection in their country would not make the citizens lawless, would it? Would they really start breaking the law and keep ammo and guns together? I doubt it... ;)

 

If you seen crazy people running around eatting other people, I don't think breaking the law would matter at that point.

[JT111 23]

I agree with the OP, I think all guns should spawn with an EMPTY mag in it and ammo should be harder to find than it currently is.

[JT111 23]

In fact, that right there is the reason ammo is so plentiful is because not only do we find the occasional box of ammo but most mags come full of ammo, I found three 75 round drums for my AKM once...talk about an overabundance of ammo.

Edited August 1, 2014 by JT111

[Katana67 2907]

Some magazines need their spawn locations and frequencies tweaked.

 

That's all.

Edited August 1, 2014 by Katana67

[doctorbadsign 645]

I hope magazines and bullets become rare enough to develop into an economy in DayZ... Kinda like how they are in Metro 2033. 

[Max Planck 7174]

Topic cleaned.

 

Stay on topic, please. Long discussions about your own country's gun laws is not the topic.

[omgwtfbbq (DayZ) 1069]

It should be more common for a gun to spawn with a magazine than without. More likely it has no bullets than it does (previous owner ran out of ammo and dropped it).

[mercules 1290]

1. I didn't assume, this is based on the ones that are still alive to come to this point of thinking.

 

2. Sorry but if you seen/heard crazy people running around eatting other people don't you think they would be alarmed?

 

3. Also the airborne thing, you can't really assume that, since alot of viruses act in different ways, the most commen is from surfaces/phyical contact, airborne vriuses are prosumed the most common one due to movies/games/novels/books using it alot, e.g. resident evil.

 

You did assume. You are assuming some people survived because they had noticed something going on and had time to arm themselves and thus survived. You are not realizing how much dumb luck might have come into play. Also from the "background" of DayZ the survivors are both immune to the virus and not from Chernarus itself. So looking around, do you see anyone still left who is not infected? No, they all left. So anyone who was alive and as you assume had a weapon with mag in it, left before we got there.

To address the next point, there are a lot of people who would attribute reports of riots and civil unrest to being just that and NOT the zombie apocalypse. Many rational people would scoff at the idea of zeds and eating people and chalk it up to sensationalism. So then if it is airborne they might go to sleep with their doors locked and wake up with their loved one choking the life out of them

Most movies do NOT have airborne sources.

28 Days Later - Body Fluid transfer even a single drop of blood into a cut can infect you

Romero movies - bite transfer

Quarantine - Body Fluids again

Resident Evil - although the initial "release" of it was airborne once it dispersed it could only be spread by bites/Body Fluids after that. 

World War Z - Bite/Scratches mostly bites. 

The Walking Dead - Apparently Airborne which is dangerous as any "dead" person may come back to life.

Typically viral zombies mean bloodborne and body fluid vectors.