Remove LRS from Mosin?

[Mjones (DayZ) 48]

Please keep the offtopic bantering out of this Forum. There is no need for it and you should settle down before posting.

 

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Duly note, was merely returning fire.

[pale1776 375]

http://www.brownells.com/optics-mounting/scope-bases/rifle-bases/moisin-nagant-scope-mounting-system-prod78.aspx fortunately we already use the 9130 so the bolt handle is already bent. unfortunately the 9130 in the real world is horribly rare and expensive.

Actually, bent bolts are pretty rare on Mosins. In World War II, straight bolts were easier and cheaper to mass produce, so millions of 91/30s had straight bolts.

Oh, and OP? Youve never seen a Mosin have you? The LRS would be easier, its a simple rail that you replace the rear sight with. The PU scope however, is a side mounted sight. That means that you need to modify the stock itself, and line and level it perfectly so you dont just see the end of your barrel. The LRS is the most sensible for this game, seeing as how we dont have the precision tools and skill required to mount a PU scope, I believe that something you pop the pin out the rear sight, replace and mount is realistic. And dont tell me that I cant read, Ive mounted both variations on several different Mosins.

And yes, I own a Mosin. 91/30 model built in 1944 at the Ishvek Arsenal.

Edited July 23, 2014 by Owen.

[Mjones (DayZ) 48]

Actually, bent bolts are pretty rare on Mosins. In World War II, straight bolts were easier and cheaper to mass produce, so millions of 91/30s had straight bolts.

Oh, and OP? Youve never seen a Mosin have you? The LRS would be easier, its a simple rail that you replace the rear sight with. The PU scope however, is a side mounted sight. That means that you need to modify the stock itself, and line and level it perfectly so you dont just see the end of your barrel. The LRS is the most sensible for this game, seeing as how we dont have the precision tools and skill required to mount a PU scope, I believe that something you pop the pin out the rear sight, replace and mount is realistic. And dont tell me that I cant read, Ive mounted both variations on several different Mosins.

And yes, I own a Mosin. 91/30 model built in 1944 at the Ishvek Arsenal.

 I own two of these sniper variant rifles, actual pu snipers(matching serials). The dev's said the ones represented in game are the sniper variant. No need for bubba the gun smith to tie the rifle and the scope together. That being said, the LRS would not be easier to mount as it requires extra tools and a kit.

Edited July 23, 2014 by Mjones

[pale1776 375]

I own two of these sniper variant rifles, actual pu snipers(matching serials). The dev's said the ones represented in game are the sniper variant. No need for bubba the gun smith to tie the rifle and the scope together. That being said, the LRS would not be easier to mount as it requires extra tools and a kit.

LRS requires only common sense and a 8 dollar rail from Amazon. You know that rear sight? You know the metal rod holding it on? Pop it out, put the rail in place, pop the rod back in. BOOM. No tools, other than a screwdriver. I do believe since Ive mounted one on my own Mosin, then it is realistic and simple. Lets take out the zombies, those arent realistic. And stop signs as well, theyre the only English signs in a Cyrilic country.

[emigrates 261]

I've seen certain people say "yeah I've got a Mosin" all over this sight, but until now I've never really too much notice. Is it actually that simple to get a Mosin for like $200, pick up some 7.62 and go shoot something?

[King Raptor 191]

Judging from the  amount of people who own a Mosin in this thread ,I'm going to have to stop by a few houses when a zombie outbreak starts.

[emigrates 261]

Judging from the  amount of people who own a Mosin in this thread ,I'm going to have to stop by a few houses when a zombie outbreak starts.

7 and a half years of military experience suggests is asking for shares!

[SFRGaming 718]

Mosin 91/30's are INCREDIBLY cheap. Hell, people buy them and use the stock for furniture. Old sporting store here sells 54R as well for a cheap price.

Edited July 23, 2014 by SFRGaming

[Mjones (DayZ) 48]

LRS requires only common sense and a 8 dollar rail from Amazon. You know that rear sight? You know the metal rod holding it on? Pop it out, put the rail in place, pop the rod back in. BOOM. No tools, other than a screwdriver. I do believe since Ive mounted one on my own Mosin, then it is realistic and simple. Lets take out the zombies, those arent realistic. And stop signs as well, theyre the only English signs in a Cyrilic country.

well, you proved my point. requires a rail kit and tools. 

 

[emigrates 261]

Mosin 91/30's are INCREDIBLY cheap. Hell, people buy them and use the stock for furniture. Old sporting store here sells 54R as well for a cheap price.

That's concerning, not to get into the whole 'what should be legal what shouldn't be legal' thing that's going on in the US, but I can't see 7.62 used for self defence or even the biggest of game.

 

Edit: Read as self defence in a civilian situation.

Edited July 23, 2014 by emigrates

[Mjones (DayZ) 48]

That's concerning, not to get into the whole 'what should be legal what shouldn't be legal' thing that's going on in the US, but I can't see 7.62 used for self defence or even the biggest of game.

 

Edit: Read as self defence in a civilian situation.

 No sane person would use a gun that utilizes that cartridge for home defence. It would go through your walls and through your neighbours house as well.

Edited July 23, 2014 by Mjones

[Evaris 61]

That's concerning, not to get into the whole 'what should be legal what shouldn't be legal' thing that's going on in the US, but I can't see 7.62 used for self defence or even the biggest of game.

 

Edit: Read as self defence in a civilian situation.

1.  In self defense, not a good cartridge.  No sane person is going to use them for this purpose since they penetrate so well. 

 

2.  Against large game, actually it's quite a good option and has been used for over 100 years as a hunting cartridge.  The 7.62x51mm NATO round and the 7.62x54mmR  are quite similar to .30-06 Springfield and .308 Winchester hunting cartridges.  The main thing they're  good at is putting down deer and the like with a single shot to the torso - meaning it's a faster (and thus arguably more merciful) kill to the hunted animal in question.  To boot, most of the rounds of this category are exceptionally accurate, meaning they can be used to hunt game at long distances.  Generally speaking, long 7.62mm class rounds are what are suggested to hunt "medium" category game (CXP2) - In which goats, deer, elk, antelope, and black bears are all a part of, ranging from the low to the high area of the spectrum.  If humans were considered "Game", we'd be on that list - hence why this category of rounds have historically been the most popular category for anti-personnel sniper rifles. 

Edited July 23, 2014 by Evaris

[pale1776 375]

well, you proved my point. requires a rail kit and tools.

A screwdriver, which is available ingame, and a rail, which Im pretty sure will be added. Chill out dude, its a game not real life. Even though in real life a LRS goes on Mosins. Not our fault you get sniped.

[emigrates 261]

 No sane person would use a gun that utilizes that cartridge for home defence. It would go through your walls and through your neighbours house as well.

good point.

 

1.  In self defense, not a good cartridge.  No sane person is going to use them for this purpose since they penetrate so well. 

 

2.  Against large game, actually it's quite a good option and has been used for over 100 years as a hunting cartridge.  The 7.62x51mm NATO round and the 7.62x54mmR  are quite similar to .30-06 Springfield and .308 Winchester hunting cartridges.  The main thing they're  good at is putting down deer and the like with a single shot to the torso - meaning it's a faster (and thus arguably more merciful) kill to the hunted animal in question.  To boot, most of the rounds of this category are exceptionally accurate, meaning they can be used to hunt game at long distances.  Generally speaking, long 7.62mm class rounds are what are suggested to hunt "medium" category game (CXP2) - In which goats, deer, elk, antelope, and black bears are all a part of, ranging from the low to the high area of the spectrum.  If humans were considered "Game", we'd be on that list - hence why this category of rounds have historically been the most popular category for anti-personnel sniper rifles. 

Only ever pulled a trigger at the head of an animal, seeing an animal bleed out on the ground it stood or run off wounded is something I never wish to see. Just can't get my British head around the idea of that kind of round being used by civilians. Out of curiosity, what's considered "high"?

[solodude23 649]

Listen. You're asking for realism in a game that has zombies.

Replace "realism" with "authentic" and then remove self from high horse. People that use this argument are the reason that they decided to go with the word "authentic" rather than "realistic". People take "realistic" way too seriously considering we're all talking about a GAME. Would "realistically influenced" be better for you? Perhaps "realism based"?

 

I'm seriously sick of the "anti-realism" argument. Sure, the game has zombies, but that doesn't mean all other realism has to go out of the window. Zombies are part of the DayZ universe - that doesn't mean other things can't be realistic within the game. It's already more realistic than many other games out there - even ones without zombies. The fact is that it's a game, so there will always be limits to the extent at which realism is pursued, but the inclusion of the many mechanics that DayZ already has are what makes it more realistic - even if the implementation of such mechanics falls short of real life.

Edited July 23, 2014 by solodude23

[Evaris 61]

Only ever pulled a trigger at the head of an animal, seeing an animal bleed out on the ground it stood or run off wounded is something I never wish to see. Just can't get my British head around the idea of that kind of round being used by civilians. Out of curiosity, what's considered "high"?

1. Kinda the point to the larger rounds, as they tend to kill the animal via shock and immense internal bleeding in seconds instead of watching the animal bleed out in pain for several minutes (if not hours, depending on animal and round in question.) 

 

2.  Well at least you're complaining about the power of a round and it's killing potential, and not the illogical anti-gun groups here in the states which try to ban AR-15's based solely on that they have pistol grips and modular components like rail guards and collapsible stocks.  While you have M1A's firing 7.62 NATO just as fast as an AR-15 fires, and pistols kill 10x the number of people that rifles do.

 

3. Black bears are considered the high end of use for this round category.

[CJFlint 357]

Look if we want to remove the LRS from being able to be mounted to the mosin, then there god dam well better be a another sniper rifle in the game with the ability to mount a LRS before they do it. Like the CZ or SVD. IF they do it. Then I could care less.

Edited July 23, 2014 by CJFlint

[rybec 339]

Judging from the  amount of people who own a Mosin in this thread ,I'm going to have to stop by a few houses when a zombie outbreak starts.

There's more woods and fields where I am than there is in Chernarus.

[SFRGaming 718]

There's more woods and fields where I am than there is in Chernarus.

You lucky bastard

[CJFlint 357]

There's more woods and fields where I am than there is in Chernarus.

M14 next to the mosin there?

[Evaris 61]

M14 next to the mosin there?

I'ma guess it's a M1A and not an M14, seeing how hard it is to get the latter.

[rybec 339]

I'ma guess it's a M1A and not an M14, seeing how hard it is to get the latter.

Close. It's a Norinco M305, so it's a clone. So much fun.

[emigrates 261]

1. Kinda the point to the larger rounds, as they tend to kill the animal via shock and immense internal bleeding in seconds instead of watching the animal bleed out in pain for several minutes (if not hours, depending on animal and round in question.) 

 

2.  Well at least you're complaining about the power of a round and it's killing potential, and not the illogical anti-gun groups here in the states which try to ban AR-15's based solely on that they have pistol grips and modular components like rail guards and collapsible stocks.  While you have M1A's firing 7.62 NATO just as fast as an AR-15 fires, and pistols kill 10x the number of people that rifles do.

 

3. Black bears are considered the high end of use for this round category.

 I gathered the first one haha. Yeah, I try to stay out others countries business, although I think it's completely crazy to possess an automatic rifle as a civilian (for hunting or otherwise) it is pretty much written into your way of life, so I'm not in any position to argue - but why argue over that fact it has pistol grips and mod components? That's everything that makes the AR-15 look awesome and the ability to use various optics/torches/IR/grips.

Look if we want to remove the LRS from being able to be mounted to the mosin, then there god dam well better be a another sniper rifle in the game with the ability to mount a LRS before they do it. Like the CZ or SVD. IF they do it. Then I could care less.

I like this argument. Remove the LRS from the Mosin as long you add the ability to use it on another bolt action rifle.

Replace "realism" with "authentic" and then remove self from high horse. People that use this argument are the reason that they decided to go with the word "authentic" rather than "realistic". People take "realistic" way too seriously considering we're all talking about a GAME. Would "realistically influenced" be better for you? Perhaps "realism based"?

 

I'm seriously sick of the "anti-realism" argument. Sure, the game has zombies, but that doesn't mean all other realism has to go out of the window. Zombies are part of the DayZ universe - that doesn't mean other things can't be realistic within the game. It's already more realistic than many other games out there - even ones without zombies. The fact is that it's a game, so there will always be limits to the extent at which realism is pursued, but the inclusion of the many mechanics that DayZ already has are what makes it more realistic - even if the implementation of such mechanics falls short of real life.

Welcome to the debate!

 

I posted something just a minute ago actually, how I think DayZ is currently in fine line between a zombie survival game and a game of EA's Sims with a Zombie expansion DLC.

I like the idea that I can pop a LRS onto a Mosin and take a 600m shot on the map, it's been said elsewhere - replace it with another bolt action rifle and you've got yourself a deal. Otherwise, leave it. It's only broken to you, let someone else have their break of realism for a moment or two.

[Evaris 61]

 I gathered the first one haha. Yeah, I try to stay out others countries business, although I think it's completely crazy to possess an automatic rifle as a civilian (for hunting or otherwise) it is pretty much written into your way of life, so I'm not in any position to argue - but why argue over that fact it has pistol grips and mod components? That's everything that makes the AR-15 look awesome and the ability to use various optics/torches/IR/grips.

1.  The AR-15 is semi-automatic, not a fully automatic rifle.  In general a lever action can fire as fast, although not prone, and you have to remember semi-auto technology is more than 100 years old, so... yeah.  It's not exactly out there, it's pretty much just a convenience / comfort thing over bolt / lever action rifles.  Also, you can get bolt-action AR-15's.  

 

2.  Fully automatic guns are illegal for civilians in the USA unless you have a firearms licence to manufacture them (when you're a manufacturer) or if you have a firearms licence for collecting historical firearms, in which case the only legal guns are those manufactured pre-1980's.  Given the depth of the background checks, and the cost of just applying, and the fact you have to re-apply every couple years... yeah.  

 

3.  It's because of the fact that the media portrays such as making a gun more dangerous in comparison to "grandpaw's ol' wooden hunting rifle", despite "granpa's" rifle was also quite possibly semi-auto, but instead chambered in a more powerful long 7.62 class cartridge.   Just media pushing anti-gun stances based on fear and propaganda instead of logic, since it's easier to ban something which looks like a modern military weapon, rather than something that looks like a WWII military weapon.  Go figure.  Oh and there are those who say that guns designed for military use have no places in civilian hands, yet don't mind carrying around a Mosin or M1A.  Just a lot of misinformation going around the USA.

 

4.  Would you be opposed to a rail kit being added to the game, which would be needed to be added to a weapon as a mod before an LRS can be attached to a mosin?

Edited July 23, 2014 by Evaris

[emigrates 261]

1.  The AR-15 is semi-automatic, not a fully automatic rifle.  In general a lever action can fire as fast, although not prone, and you have to remember semi-auto technology is more than 100 years old, so... yeah.  It's not exactly out there, it's pretty much just a convenience / comfort thing over bolt / lever action rifles.  Also, you can get bolt-action AR-15's.  

 

2.  Fully automatic guns are illegal for civilians in the USA unless you have a firearms licence to manufacture them (when you're a manufacturer) or if you have a firearms licence for collecting historical firearms, in which case the only legal guns are those manufactured pre-1980's.  Given the depth of the background checks, and the cost of just applying, and the fact you have to re-apply every couple years... yeah.  

 

3.  It's because of the fact that the media portrays such as making a gun more dangerous in comparison to "grandpaw's ol' wooden hunting rifle", despite "granpa's" rifle was also quite possibly semi-auto, but instead chambered in a more powerful long 7.62 class cartridge.   Just media pushing anti-gun stances based on fear and propaganda instead of logic, since it's easier to ban something which looks like a modern military weapon, rather than something that looks like a WWII military weapon.  Go figure.  Oh and there are those who say that guns designed for military use have no places in civilian hands, yet don't mind carrying around a Mosin or M1A.  Just a lot of misinformation going around the USA.

 

4.  Would you be opposed to a rail kit being added to the game, which would be needed to be added to a weapon as a mod before an LRS can be attached to a mosin?

Thanks for all the information, haha. Just had a short brief of US gun laws on a post.

 

In regards to your question.. it would be dependant on it's rarety I guess. If it's going to be as common as the LRS itself, no problem - I'd be fine with that. However if it means I'll be finding a Mosin, finding a LRS and then getting shot every time I go to a military placement to find a rail kit - that doesn't sound fun. 

Part of the reason I'm fond of the Mosin is that it gives me and fellow friends a unit. It allows two of us to stay over-watch, even if it means never pulling a trigger we can provide complete oversight of the area while the rest of our team can enter the area, clear it and take what we want. The difference between using a pair of binos or a LRS is that we can engage that target before he gets too close.