How is hardcore mode different?

[jubeidok 495]

Here's a good example. This would not have been nearly as intense if I had chose to use 3rd person...

 

[rickyriot 1009]

Simple enough answer to this.

 

Hardcore is different because it's played by people of integrity, ability and valour. Lamecore is inhabited by those who use hacks, are petty bandits and KoS merchants and those who select "easy mode" when asked to choose difficulty from the main menu.

[Mark Darkers 151]

The pasing is allot slower, you are much more on the tips of your toes, mostly because you have to actually look around realy good. You can't look over walls are pre-peak around corners without exposing yourself, it is quite worth the ride to be honest.

[Mark Darkers 151]

You just can't say it, can you? When I go to the Battlefield or CoD forums, I don't see a single person bitching about the first person view. Not a single post about how the game should have a 3rd person view option. The point is you are given the option to use a security blanket or not to. You choose to use the security blanket. Way to go, Linus.

I will even add (I'm with you on this). That first person does learn you more valuable skills, you will have to actualy learn how to look, how to be tactical, you don't have the safeguard of pre-checking everything, playing in a group gives the advantage of overwatch and that person must be your 3rd person view basically.

Also how can 

UltimateGentleman say

Dayz is not setup properly to fit first person view? It is based of the systems used by arma, witch are build around both views.

Edited July 5, 2014 by Mark Darkers

[blunce 991]

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/200355-the-future-of-hardcore-vs-regular/

[rybec 339]

I don't have a cardboard box round my head with a rectangle cut out for me to see through so I don't want that in my game thank you.

There you go on about that "cardboard box" view. Do you use your look button while moving, or do you turn your whole body to look everywhere? I can't say I feel restricted at all when playing.

[UltimateGentleman 355]

You just can't say it, can you? When I go to the Battlefield or CoD forums, I don't see a single person bitching about the first person view. Not a single post about how the game should have a 3rd person view option. The point is you are given the option to use a security blanket or not to. You choose to use the security blanket. Way to go, Linus.

 

Because those are fast paced action games where it doesn't matter and the sound works properly you don't really need to be as aware of your surroundings as in DayZ and soldiers completely stand out in those games there is no working camo in them and not many bushes you can effectively make yourself invisible in like in DayZ, what kind of argument is that? Completely different games.

 

 

There you go on about that "cardboard box" view. Do you use your look button while moving, or do you turn your whole body to look everywhere? I can't say I feel restricted at all when playing.

 

I do but that in that time it takes to press ALT twice in real life I can already have looked round and plus it restricts your movement. Don't act like it's a perfect substitute for the freedom of movement real people have.

Unless running it's better to just turn round anyway since you can move your mouse a couple of inches to the side and have done a complete 180 in an instant 'cause realism. Course that's not something they can easily make realistic but that doesn't change the fact that it's just not.

 

You first person only people can act like you're better or smarter than people who use third person all you want but that's just an opinion, we can just as easily say you're dumb for not using the games features to your advantage.

 

If anything third person makes the game even more dangerous because yes you can stand behind a wall and survey an area safely, but the second you step out from that wall 30 people on the other side could just be doing the same thing and see you, or anyone with a better gun and skill.

I can't wait to see people disagreeing with that.

[hleVqq 139]

yes you can stand behind a wall and survey an area safely, but the second you step out from that wall 30 people on the other side could just be doing the same thing and see you

How is that a good thing? It makes no sense.

Edited July 5, 2014 by Powerhouse

[Grimey Rick 3417]

Regular is for boys, Hardcore is for men.

 

/thread

[UltimateGentleman 355]

Regular is for boys, Hardcore is for men.

 

/thread

Lol.

 

 

How is that a good thing? It makes no sense.

 

It's not, just for people saying first person is better because it makes the game harder, it isn't really. Zombies can come at you from the side in first person and so can people but you can regularly spin round to notice them.

With third person in regular any number of people can be behind walls watching you, plotting your demise. You're only safe when you're watching an area, second you step out to get loot or whatever third person is no advantage to you.

[hleVqq 139]

It's not, just for people saying first person is better because it makes the game harder, it isn't really. Zombies can come at you from the side in first person and so can people but you can regularly spin round to notice them.

With third person in regular any number of people can be behind walls watching you, plotting your demise. You're only safe when you're watching an area, second you step out to get loot or whatever third person is no advantage to you.

But you're pretty much saying yourself that 1PP is harder as long as it's a PVE situation. In both 1PP and 3PP players have the same advantages so the PVP difficulty is somewhat the same (1PP is way less convenient when it comes to gathering information about your surroundings, though), yet PVE is more difficult in 1PP, and that ultimately makes 1PP a harder gamemode.

Edited July 6, 2014 by Powerhouse

[UltimateGentleman 355]

But you're pretty much saying yourself that 1PP is harder as long as it's a PVE situation. In both 1PP and 3PP players have the same advantages so the PVP difficulty is somewhat the same (1PP is way less convenient when it comes to gathering information about your surroundings, though), yet PVE is more difficult in 1PP, and that ultimately makes 1PP a harder gamemode.

 

Only because the game is broken right now, once you can hear zombies or people running up next to you it won't be hard at all in regards to PVE, currently it makes PVE harder but it will only always make gathering info on your surroundings difficult.

[rybec 339]

@UltimateGentleman

I do but that in that time it takes to press ALT twice

But I have it bound to my thumb button on my mouse. It takes no time at all.

 

If anything third person makes the game even more dangerous because yes you can stand behind a wall and survey an area safely, but the second you step out from that wall 30 people on the other side could just be doing the same thing and see you, or anyone with a better gun and skill.

I can't wait to see people disagreeing with that.

But that's the problem, you shouldn't know what's on the other side of a ten foot wall until you actually see around it from your character. You try to make it sound very MLGPRO but all regular is about is watching from absolute safety. In hardcore you will never be seen from someone you cannot see, unless the guy is just barely leaning around the corner. Seeing everything around a corner before actually looking around the corner robs yourself of ALL tension you might get from the game.

It's even worse when someone is prone ontop of a building watching anyone running around, but because there's third person, the guy on the ground literally has no way to see he's being watched, no matter how good he is. First person if he's paying attention he might notice someone above looking at him.

Edited July 6, 2014 by Heav

[qww 287]

what will the differences will be between hardcore and regular in future? i have no idea, although i think we all assume  that first person will not be the only difference between the modes. even there might be a third person enabled hardcore mode.

 

anyway i think they should just change it to easy/hard, or easy/medium/hard however they do it.

not call it hardcore, just 'hard' or even 'difficult' . i think 'hardcore' sounds too stupid, just my view.

Edited July 6, 2014 by qww

[Cap'n (DayZ) 1827]

Aw, just 1st person.

 

And elitists who wish to force 3pp users to play their way, whether they want to or not.

[jubeidok 495]

 

@UltimateGentleman

I do but that in that time it takes to press ALT twice

But I have it bound to my thumb button on my mouse. It takes no time at all.

 

If anything third person makes the game even more dangerous because yes you can stand behind a wall and survey an area safely, but the second you step out from that wall 30 people on the other side could just be doing the same thing and see you, or anyone with a better gun and skill.

I can't wait to see people disagreeing with that.

But that's the problem, you shouldn't know what's on the other side of a ten foot wall until you actually see around it from your character. You try to make it sound very MLGPRO but all regular is about is watching from absolute safety. In hardcore you will never be seen from someone you cannot see, unless the guy is just barely leaning around the corner. Seeing everything around a corner before actually looking around the corner robs yourself of ALL tension you might get from the game.

It's even worse when someone is prone ontop of a building watching anyone running around, but because there's third person, the guy on the ground literally has no way to see he's being watched, no matter how good he is. First person if he's paying attention he might notice someone above looking at him.

 

 

Exactly, on a full 40 player server there is 30 players behind low cover camping in third person while the other 10 are the only ones running around playing the game. What makes it even worse is that those 30 campers all geared up or server hopped on a 5 player sever, got to their fav spot and then logged into a full 40 player server and waited....and waited....and waited.

 

I'd like to see you disagree with that. =P

[rybec 339]

An example being this video, it's an old video of the mod I found in all of 30 seconds of searching but it works the same way. Apart from the one side of the tower, this guy has a 100% safe viewpoint where he can see guys who have NO way of knowing they're being watched no matter how good their eyes are. You really can't say this is fine. It'd be nice for sure if there was some system like Arma3 where there are multiple heights to your crouches and standing positions. Because we don't, you either lay prone or expose a lot of yourself while crouching. That is a problem, but is much better than a magical elevated vision.

[TheGreatPerson 12]

Right now just first person. I tried it once, and never played 3pp again.

I'm not questioning you, but why is 1pp better? I don't play on hardcore so could you please explain why it's better?