There is no such thing as a random kill.

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

Warning, this is my personal belief, it's not going to please everyone, feel free to disagree but at least explain why.

 

Every kill is motivated by "something" so claiming that you have been killed for no reason is irrelevant. Beyond the simple idea of killing someone to acquire his loot, there is also the idea to kill another to prevent a future threat.

 

Now there is another possibility, it's that the player who killed you doesn't see you as another player with a right to enjoy the game. In essence, you are not his equal, you are an animal or an insect that simply doesn't get to live.

 

A player may very well make his DayZ about hunting other players, if possible stacking the odds in his favor, because why would a hunter take risks? (that's exactly what we do with animals that have a hunting season, feed them and park them into an area that puts us to an advantage.)

 

Feeling insecure about a random stranger buzzing around you, IS a reason. Sport killing IS a reason. There is always a motivation behind and DayZ is a very "open" game in this regard, there might not be a reason directly tied to the game mechanics, but there is always a reason.

 

This is a game where you do not exist in a vacuum, the actions of other players play a very important role in how the game will be for you, and in every firefight there has to be someone alive and someone dead, assume that you will be on the losing side at least half the time.

 

We have been cuddled for too long in games that drown our ears in tales of heroic adventures and heroism. You are not a hero in this story.

Edited June 18, 2014 by Lady Kyrah

[Slyguy65 499]

Most deaths are without purpose, if you consider "eh i was bored" or "for the lulz". If those are reasons then that is the same as a psychopath saying the same to a real life murder, the only true reason is because they wanted to, aside from selfish (usually trollish) intent, there are very few justified reasons people kill, i would say the selfish drive to kill is 50% and the other 50% of people killing, are the ones killing the selfish ones out of defense.

 

Don't try and fantasize the game, its not as hardcore or in depth as people like to think. Its a game, where it takes a lot of time to do and get stuff, a lot of people know this and take enjoyment from shafting everyone else from doing this. Or they have collected whatever they wanted and decided to play the open world CoD part of the game.

 

Until a game comes out that truly encourages survival and not simply rewarding those who troll the ones trying to survive i doubt anything philosophical and deep along the lines of this thread will be needed. I honestly don't see how you can make an open ended game with actual consequence without it being too restricting. Dayz is just, a virtual kill space, no consequence for the ones without a care other than to kill people (which is most at this point). The only ones punished in this game are the ones who actually try and survive. And to me that is fucked up.

 

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"But, sly,not everyone is a dick their are heros and bandits, not just bandits."

 

Oh ya, totally, waiting for karma's swift judgment to come and...oh look he died, good yes g....oh look he respawned and is back to camping and killing....ya its a game, the bad guys respawn and the good guys are so few and far its a ripple in the ocean. Lets not forget the fact almost every neutral goes bandit because of how fed up he/she is with trying to be good. Its like real life in that regard i think, there is more bad than good because people get tired of the bad winning.

 

Also, that is the other thing, this game, because its just an open kill space people naturally created sides, in this case its hero and bandits. And with all the people wanting more ways to kill, well idk. I just dont understand why people don't just play arma 3 if they want an open kill space TDM...oh right, I forgot. Its not as enjoyable to grief in that game.

Edited June 18, 2014 by Slyguy65

[Chroma 61]

But, But, But murderous ba***rd staircases!

Those are entirely random and heartbreaking :D

Till you realize you don't own anything in game, merely rent for a time.

[Estevacio 62]

lol, like the point of view as it is true, but you cannot silence the rage of someone who just KOS'd

 

as things would be in real life, there are guys who would shoot you on sight and those that would try to interact!!

 

it is life, as you said, pheraps one is out of instinct, other to prevent a gun fight and solve the situation right there, another because he is a hunter!

 

millions of players, millions of moods, millions of possible encounters and outcomes! it's just a question of where you are in it!

 

if on the bad side, you rage against KOS!!

 

it is exactly the same as the 3pp and 1pp, never ending battle and it would only need to say "Each get their own server, you want 1pp you play 1pp, you want 3pp you get 3pp, what's so hard about that????"

[eleventhavenue 204]

I think when people say ´´no reason´´ they actually mean ´´a stupid reason which i can not indentify with and which I find also ruins the experience for the community as a whole in one or more ways´´.

I think when people get killed because of FPS instinct, fear on one part of communication, or because ´´everyone else KOS´´, they would actually refer to those reasons as ´´no reason´´ when discussing it.

[UltimateGentleman 355]

lol, like the point of view as it is true, but you cannot silence the rage of someone who just KOS'd

 

as things would be in real life, there are guys who would shoot you on sight and those that would try to interact!!

 

it is life, as you said, pheraps one is out of instinct, other to prevent a gun fight and solve the situation right there, another because he is a hunter!

 

millions of players, millions of moods, millions of possible encounters and outcomes! it's just a question of where you are in it!

 

if on the bad side, you rage against KOS!!

 

it is exactly the same as the 3pp and 1pp, never ending battle and it would only need to say "Each get their own server, you want 1pp you play 1pp, you want 3pp you get 3pp, what's so hard about that????"

 

 

I like the part where you act as though there's an equal chance to find someone nice or bad, it's not bad luck or anything I'm sure the community will agree that like 90% of the people they find, at least try to kill them.

 

Don't try and fantasize the game, its not as hardcore or in depth as people like to think. Its a game, where it takes a lot of time to do and get stuff, a lot of people know this and take enjoyment from shafting everyone else from doing this. Or they have collected whatever they wanted and decided to play the open world CoD part of the game.

 

Until a game comes out that truly encourages survival and not simply rewarding those who troll the ones trying to survive i doubt anything philosophical and deep along the lines of this thread will be needed. I honestly don't see how you can make an open ended game with actual consequence without it being too restricting. Dayz is just, a virtual kill space, no consequence for the ones without a care other than to kill people (which is most at this point). The only ones punished in this game are the ones who actually try and survive. And to me that is fucked up.

 

Exactly what is wrong with this game, well no there's nothing wrong with the game(except all the bugs) but the way people treat it. Sure in an apocalypse people would kill each other from time to time but there would be a reason unless they'd full on went insane.

 

People in this game don't kill because of greed they kill for fun, how many times have you seen people camping on rooftops go down and get the loot? Probably never because they just wait for the next poor sucker and shoot them too, they have all they need anyway.

I always love seeing people try to say there's a good reason for killing people, especially noobs other than "for the lolz"

 

Although it makes it enjoyable meeting people who have nothing and not shooting them because you get so much praise for not being an annoying dickbag so hey bandits and general assholes make friendly encounters all that more special.

Then again they slowly kill the population of nice people.

 

Unless it somehow becomes hard to KOS like if zombies can climb ladders this game will just be a deathmatch within a few months after the release.

All you "hardcore" people will be welcome to it.

[pilgrim* 3514]

yes

good game, yes yes !

"you joined the game to die, and DayZ will take you where you can die"

 

 

 

( for example, see http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/199646-diary-of-a-happy-camper/#entry2008426

"can there be a sweeter sound to the camper than the footsteps of an clueless imbecile" )

hope I'm not offending anyone, falling off a ladder can kill you just as bad

Edited June 18, 2014 by pilgrim

[Sooden 301]

I know why I have killed, 2 kills after my friend where shot  dead and i ran away, then popped the bandit as they looted my friends (in bobble hat stories). and 2 time in a bobble hat KOS experiment (4 kills in 300 hours) - Player killing just not an interest for me (tried it, didnt like it)

 

game is just a Death match atm, cant say what it will be in time, but have a feeling that, when private servers happen, only death matches and  'no reasons' will be the on public hive. Some of use came to this DayZ for survival game, and its not (at lest right now), and we feel left down :(

 

But I do here so many post with excuses for killing, that are not true. Rather than saying they are afraid, or, they just wanna Death match, and fraging feels fun. They try to pass it off as survival, that grinds my gears!

[shadowjack 254]

Yes of course there is a reason. Even if it be "cuz I can"

 

Random killing is an illusion created by the victim because we have a need to explain the unexplainable. Truth is I don't know WHY he/she killed me. I only know my avatar is dead. I lost my shit and I need to rage because its just not fair.  BOO HOO. Reminds me of the guys at the poker table that cry over a bad beat.

 

Suck it up and get back in the game.

[Estevacio 62]

"I like the part where you act as though there's an equal chance to find someone nice or bad, it's not bad luck or anything I'm sure the community will agree that like 90% of the people they find, at least try to kill them."

Well, half the people i found were friendly and the other half tried to kill me, simple as that

Armed, unarmed,whatever, the only ones that always try to kill me are the zombies...