Logical suggestion - Remove NVG?

[Areoss 4]

Disclaimer.

THIS IS NOT A CRY TO REMOVE NVGs. THIS IS ABOUT TRYING SOMETHING NEW TO INCREASE PEOPLES INTEREST IN A GAMEPLAY MECHANIC - NIGHT TIME GAME PLAY

Now before the flame of fire instantly comes in from those who own NVG's... hear me out...

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Night time servers are mostly(not all of them) pretty low in population. Why is this? Because you can't see where you are going. To see where you are going you have to light yourself up like a lighthouse to see.

But there is a way around this. There are the NVG's which in all fairness is a brilliant investment to those who are trying to travel around at night without being seen. Fair enough.

But the NVG's haven't really come into play as they were presumed. They have basically been given to the first person who can get to the NW Airfield(if they are lucky enough for the spawn) and then camp high in any location they wish with a sniper rifle, to take out anyone who doesn't have NVG's.

Thus night time servers have turned into a NVG sniper camping dream. This is why people don't play Night time servers as much.

Unless you have NVG's. You are at a massive disadvantage. So there is no point in you attempting to do anything as you'll be lit up like a christmas tree, to someone who can already see very well anyway as it is.

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I think that NVG's should be taken out for a patch or 2. To see if that encourages people to move to night time servers.

Since no one will have a huge advantage, you will be a bit safer running around at night. Plus you will also have the darkness on your side as well just as equally as anyone else.

You could ofcourse walk around with a flare or your torch on, but this also means you will be visable to anyone in the 1km area of you within line of sight. True enough this can be a little bit concerning. But then again They would have had to have lights on as well, to reach the point that your at would they have not?

Unless for example its a sniper camping ofcourse, but if it was, you would have the safety of the darkness to attempt to get away if you can.

Now if the sniper was smart he could predict your movements and look for specific things to finish you off.

But if he also had a friend, or was in range him self. He could throw a flare to try to draw your attention so he could move un seen.... or illuminate you, or many other things.

I believe this would add more tactics to night time gameplay than having super vision and a massive advantage.

Now I know people will scream at this idea saying things like...

"Well whats the point in going on a night server if I cant see everything as clear as day with my NVG's"

"Why should I bother going to the Airfield if there isnt NVG's there at all"

"What colour socks are you wearing?"

and so on...

My point of this, is yes I understand that those who are using them have earned them due to their low spawn rate or managed to kill a billion people and got lucky enough to take them.

No, this isnt about me crying that im dying to NVG users.

This is about trying new things, trying to get night time servers from a camp fest of the all seeing gods... to a more active, suspense-full game at night. It will encourage people to jump onto night time servers for their increased survival rates. As at the moment, trying to stay alive at night is a far more unlikely than day time.

I personally enjoy running around at night time with my friends, and I don't want to be constantly in fear of someone with NVG's. (even though that adds another depth to the game. I personally see it as someone with an unfair advantage).

I would like to hear anyone elses feedback on this. No flames please. Intelligent and thought out posts only.

If you respond in such a manner of "LOLNOOB GO BACK TO SKOOL" or some form of that. It will be disregarded as null and void with no value and I will put socks on your ears.

TL;DR

Remove NVG for a patch or 2, to try to increase interest for more people to play night time servers. So people don't have a massive advantage, like a rediculous one over someone who doesn't have NVGs.

No rage, no flame. Serious and well thought out comments please.

Socks on the ears.

Go.

[LumberBack 43]

nvgs and thermal, they both destroy the gamebalance in this game.

[Dreamseller 0]

If you take them out for a couple of patches, things will be even worse. Those who are alive already with them won't even have to worry about new spawns getting them.

If you remove the spawns + from player inventory's, you will have a whole new level of rage from people with NVG's crying that they were removed after they spent time getting them.

If you want to play daytime, play on a daytime server. It's as easy as that. (I don't have NVG)

[leo235 2]

NO

All things are a matter of perspective.

What you might see as rage or unthoughtful posts I might see as thoughtful posts with a grain of opinion.

What you see as not whining I might see as whining.

These parts of your post are really useless. Nobody is not going to insult you because you politely asked them not to, whilst your trying to take away their fun.

You might say thats not what youre doing but thats perspective and you can surely imagine how it would be fun to sit near cherno with a NVG and panic people.

Also how is this suggestion LOGICAL? Because NVGs are rare in real life? So are military grade weapons. The ratio of weapons to NVGs would be more realistic if there were MORE NVGs.

Anyways:

NO

NVGs are in the game and are rare. Maybe we could make them a little more rare even, or better yet, add batteries for these kinds of things or a solar charger or whatever but the real problem is that rarity is no problem when you can server-hop.

[Areoss 4]

I can agree that people will rage and kick and scream if you take it from them.

But that was what I was looking for, taking it from them. Not for the reason of making them kick and scream, but to add a new level of gameplay for night time.

Those who have NVG's are more than likely snipers that camp waiting for anyone at night. There are some that aren't but I think it is safe to say that the vast majority are.

I'm more so thinking of increasing the reason to play night time server for those who are at a massive disadvantage.

NO

All things are a matter of perspective.

What you might see as rage or unthoughtful posts I might see as thoughtful posts with a grain of opinion.

What you see as not whining I might see as whining.

These parts of your post are really useless. Nobody is not going to insult you because you politely asked them not to' date=' whilst your trying to take away their fun.

You might say thats not what youre doing but thats perspective and you can surely imagine how it would be fun to sit near cherno with a NVG and panic people.

Also how is this suggestion LOGICAL? Because NVGs are rare in real life? So are military grade weapons. The ratio of weapons to NVGs would be more realistic if there were MORE NVGs.

Anyways:

NO

NVGs are in the game and are rare. Maybe we could make them a little more rare even, or better yet, add batteries for these kinds of things or a solar charger or whatever but the real problem is that rarity is no problem when you can server-hop.

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I repeat this isnt about taking away peoples fun, which in fall fairness people may choose to find camping disadvantaged people as fun. Thats fair enough.

This is more about trying new things to try to increase the incentive to playing at night.

Sure one mans view of good is one mans view of evil. I understand that.

Its not logical to try to make them rare just like in IRL as you have suggested. That wasnt my point of "logical", which you could pick up a cheap set from amazon anyway ;)

Its more so for gameplay. To encourage people to play more on night servers.

Would you honestly dare go into Cherno, or the NW Airfield without NVG at night? No because that would be idiotic as the odds are, there is someone camping already waiting for the poor hapless person to crawl in.

I like the batteries idea, but that would be nullified by the server hopping there already is currently, that you have mentioned.

I repeat my intentions, this is trial and error essentially. See if it does actually improve or hinder.

My views are different to yours. But I also assume you are an avid fan of the NVG's you already own? Or am I mistaken?

[Deviationist 5]

I can see where your coming from. However I think you have it backwards.

NVG should become much more common.

This would not punish the old schoolers that already have NVG, however it would even the playing field (somewhat) for newbies.

Either way taking alot out or putting alot in for a few patches to see what would happen is a very viable idea. Anyone that is adverse to the notion is probably to caught up in what they want instead of experimenting to see what would be best for the game overall.

[Areoss 4]

I can see where your coming from. However I think you have it backwards.

NVG should become much more common.

This would not punish the old schoolers that already have NVG' date=' however it would even the playing field (somewhat) for newbies.

Either way taking alot out or putting alot in for a few patches to see what would happen is a very viable idea. Anyone that is adverse to the notion is probably to caught up in what they want instead of experimenting to see what would be best for the game overall.

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Exactly my point. Trying new things.

Adding more NVGs to everyone is an interesting idea, but from my view it kinda destroys the idea of there being a night at all.

I can see what you mean though :)

[creepymoto 16]

Noooooo

[Areoss 4]

Noooooo

Care to elaborate?

Keep in mind your response of "Noooooo" is to the idea of trialing an idea, a temporary idea at that.

[humbleuk 76]

I think nvg's are fair, i don't own any anymore since i was killed by some twat in debug spawn.

Anyways, it's be nice if they spawned a little more frequently at different locations to even things out somewhere down the line.

[leo235 2]

I repeat this isnt about taking away peoples fun, which in fall fairness people may choose to find camping disadvantaged people as fun. Thats fair enough.

-So you acknowledge it IS about taking away peoples fun. Really the first part of that sentence doesnt make much sense then.

This is more about trying new things to try to increase the incentive to playing at night.

-Imo its one of the strenghts of this game not to give equal incentives for everything. Rocket says he doesnt want to give advantages to any playstyle and what youre proposing is giving an advantage to the "come unequipped" playstyle. the next logical thing would be to take out sniper-rifles. Arguably that could increase overall fun, but its still stupid.

Its not logical to try to make them rare just like in IRL as you have suggested. That wasnt my point of "logical", which you could pick up a cheap set from amazon anyway ;)

-then what makes it logical?

Its more so for gameplay. To encourage people to play more on night servers.

-so really you just used logical, because you thought that would make your idea seem more valid? And what youre proposing could be detrimental to gameplay to me as it could take out the imbalances that make me so nervous while playing.

Would you honestly dare go into Cherno, or the NW Airfield without NVG at night? No because that would be idiotic as the odds are, there is someone camping already waiting for the poor hapless person to crawl in.

-would you do it in real life?

I like the batteries idea, but that would be nullified by the server hopping there already is currently, that you have mentioned.

I repeat my intentions, this is trial and error essentially. See if it does actually improve or hinder.

-We could try lots of things. For your idea to work we would have to take away loot from people who might have invested hours to get that loot (hours of server-hopping that is). thats not a trial, but might very well be an error

My views are different to yours. But I also assume you are an avid fan of the NVG's you already own? Or am I mistaken?

-You would be mistaken. i dont have an NVG. I am a fan of them though, because I like the imbalance.

[nobody 31]

NOO.. dont remove it!

[goblinshark 5]

NVG's offer an advantage to players, but not necessarily a an unfair one. The circumstances that some people use to get NVG's *e.g. server hopping* make the advantage unfairly attained. However, the advantage itself isn't completely unfair.

NVG's look like a lot of fun, and while I have not been fortunate enough to find any yet, I love playing on night servers even so. I haven't run into any sniper, and I play on 50+ person servers that are full. I know that they are out there, I just don't think they are in such abundance that you will be feeling their presence every single time you log on to a night server.

But I do agree in that night play is extremely fun, and extremely rewarding. It's scary, it's immersive, it's new. I can't wait for Arma III's night combat and gameplay, it looks beautiful.

[katulobotomia 26]

Make NVG's and thermal to consume battery, and batteries rare.

[Isnogood 0]

Make NVG's and thermal to consume battery' date=' and batteries rare.

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THIS

As i first heard of nvg i thought they would need batteries already...

Hope this could be introduced. Would balance them and contribute to the realism!

[Shanks (DayZ) 0]

I do think taking them out completely or having them use batteries etc would encourage more people to play at night, but ofcourse, people will still complain about how dark it is, so the servers still won't be full.

Night time on the game is pretty scary, and the NVG takes away the fear because you can see everything, so really, its just day time with less players equaling more loot. At night zombies become less of a nuisance like day time for vet players, and become what they should be, terrifying

[duddbudda 33]

stripped down, the argument OP and his supporters rely on runs thus:

> Nights make for a different, more challenging game

> In the blind dark the most forbidding opponent is the man who can see

> That man is scary

> He is so scary that my tactical considerations and risk assessments cannot account for his goggles

> I refuse to adapt and grow my gameplay to contain such a scary man

> Therefore Rocket must remove the scary man from my game

this is the same logic that spawns PvE-only servers, creates threads demanding all scoped weapons be removed, and will one day reduce DayZ to WoW4Dead

stamp it out

gamebalance

there isn't meant to be any; DayZ's systems are intended to be organic - it's only natural that men with nightvision become the top predators in darkness

decide how you want to deal with such a threat (my advice: when it's dark and you can't see, don't go to busy areas you suspect may harbour or attract NVG bandits)

[Lyhome 0]

Thermal would destroy the game, however night time servers are completely unplayable unless they have that nice black and white old school effect on them. Night Vision goggles are fantastic, and I'm saying this without ever finding a pair.

[Strategos (DayZ) 190]

I agree actually, Ive had a thermal / nvg recently and seen the advantage they give first hand. My first thought was, "im only playing at night now its going to be amazing"

I think night-time game play would just be more all round fun for everyone, the light vision / danger trade off is a good mechanic.

Its alpha, theres no concern with people losing stuff. Give it a try for a while and maybe we will see an increase of night-time play again. After all Alpha is the time for trying stuff.

[warrenbeitz 0]

I agree with OP. I'd like a week or so with no NVG. The clan I'm in for sure would start playing night.

Everyone arguing for NVG probably has a pair already. And whats the point of them?? You have them, you see like day. Go play a day server if you wont play night without NVG.

Night time without NVG is awesome, super intense and adds an entire new dynamic to the game. Open fields are now viable, allowing new approaches to places, PVP changes into cat and mouse of trying to light up/mislead the other player with flares. NVG just turns it back into a daytime server, rendering nighttime moot.

[nacrom 82]

No

Stop with the f'n "please remove NVG" threads ffs. If you want a "fair" or "even" playing field go play COD or join a girls under 14 hockey team.

[warrenbeitz 0]

No

Stop with the f'n "please remove NVG" threads ffs. If you want a "fair" or "even" playing field go play COD or join a girls under 14 hockey team.

It doesn't make the game "fair" by any means. You still have different weapons, different group sizes. It adds a new playstyle to the game, one that is removed by NVG. Besides, NVG is more COD noobmode then not having them, so please drop that argument.

[nacrom 82]

No

Stop with the f'n "please remove NVG" threads ffs. If you want a "fair" or "even" playing field go play COD or join a girls under 14 hockey team.

It doesn't make the game "fair" by any means. You still have different weapons' date=' different group sizes. It adds a new playstyle to the game, one that is removed by NVG. Besides, NVG is more COD noobmode then not having them, so please drop that argument.

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It's ironic and humorous that you think REMOVING NVG's will add a play style.

[Capercaillie 16]

Also how is this suggestion LOGICAL? Because NVGs are rare in real life? So are military grade weapons. The ratio of weapons to NVGs would be more realistic if there were MORE NVGs.

Talk about realism again, on a computer game forum..

"the game would be more realistic if xxx, yyy, zzz etc"

Have you used many NVG's irl, so you know for sure how "rare" they are?

How about military grade weapons, you have much experience, and know the ratio of weapons/NVG's in real life?

[warrenbeitz 0]

How is that Ironic or humorous?? I play totally different at night then I do during the day. I think everyone does. I can cross open spaces, use flares to lure zombies, while avoiding the light myself to not be seen.

This is the Alpha, its for testing. Why not try a week of no NVG to see if it changes things?

If it doesn't, put them back in no harm done. If there's a rise in players playing night time,

people are happy about it, then that's good.

Why are people so against trying something new? Rocket took guns away from spawn, and people bitched about that, but I think it was a good thing and now every has adjusted.