Number of Weapons in Mod versus Standalone

[Katana67 2907]

By my calculation (eyeballing)... there are roughly 30 distinct weapons platforms available in the mod.

 

There are 19 distinct projectile weapons in the Standalone so far, or confirmed to be inbound (FNX, Amphibia S, CZ 75, M1911, P1, Longhorn, Magnum, IZH-43, M4A1, Mosin, SKS, AKM, B95, Sporter, Crossbow, Bow, SVD, 870/MP-133, MP5K). Bear in mind, I left out the AK-74 and Mauser, as we saw them fairly early on and haven't heard of them since.

 

I'm mainly talking about projectile weapons (firearms and bows). However, the mod has a whopping 4 melee weapons whilst the Standalone has at least 20.

 

So, we're getting up there!

Edited May 22, 2014 by Katana67

[Element47 2481]

thats not the calculation i have in my books: because melee.

 

do a comparison of the amount of objects you can use to kill your fellow survivor with. ;)

[Katana67 2907]

thats not the calculation i have in my books: because melee.

 

do a comparison of the amount of objects you can use to kill your fellow survivor with. ;)

 

Perhaps I should clarify that I'm only talking about firearms and bows (which I forgot to add for SA). There's about 20 melee weapons in the SA versus 4 for the Mod.

Edited May 22, 2014 by Katana67

[kichilron 8550]

By my calculation (eyeballing)... there are roughly 30 distinct weapons platforms available in the mod.

 

 

Where did you get that number from? By going through the assets we have in the game there should be roughly 20-23 weapons in the mod.

 

I have obviously not included M9 and M9SD, because they're the same, really - considering the attachment system. Only counted weapons like the M4 once as well, even though there are a few different variants in the mod.

 

If you consider the attachmentsystem there aren't that many weapons in the mod, really.

 

We're working on adding a few more, though.

Edited May 22, 2014 by kichilron

[Katana67 2907]

Where did you get that number from? By going through the assets we have in the game there should be roughly 20-23 weapons in the mod.

 

I have obviously not included M9 and M9SD, because they're the same, really - considering the attachment system. Only counted weapons like the M4 once as well, even though there are a few different variants in the mod.

 

If you consider the attachmentsystem there aren't that many weapons in the mod, really.

 

We're working on adding a few more, though.

 

I did the same! I lumped the AK-74s together, same with the Sa-58s, M4s, M16s, DMR/M14, M24/M40, G36s, SVDs, FALs, and others.

 

Depending on how you group them, there's between 28 and 31 distinct projectile weapon platforms, even if you're counting the AS50 and M107 which are no longer in.

 

http://dayz.wikia.com/wiki/Weapons

Edited May 22, 2014 by Katana67

[-Gews- 7443]

Well guns only there are, I believe...

1. FN FAL

2. FN FAL AN/PVS4

3. M14

4. DMR

5. Mk 48

6. M249

7. L85A2 SUSAT

8. G36C

9. G36C camo

10. G36C SD camo

11. G36K camo

12. G36A camo

13. Double-barrel

14. Lee-Enfield

15. CZ 550

16. Colt 1911

17. Revolver

18. Makarov

19. M9

20. M9 SD

21. Glock

22. Winchester 1866

23. AKM

24. SVD

25. SVD camo

26. Sa 58V RCO

27. Sa 58V CCO

28. M40A3

29. M24

30. M16A2

31. M16A2 M203

32. M4A1 AIM

33. M4A1

34. M4A3

35. M16A4 ACOG

36. AK-74

37. AKS-74U

38. AKS-74 Kobra

39. PDW

40. M4A1 Holo

41. M1014

42. Crossbow

43. Sa 58V

44. Sa 58P

45. MP5A5

46. MP5SD

47. Remington 870

But only 37 of these should actually be separate weapons. Even then quite a few are very similar. And I'm willing to bet the SA devs would cut the number down to 31 by making things into lootable attachments that by strict realism, shouldn't be (example: look at the new AKM's attachable underfolding stock). So 30 weapons is about right.

[Element47 2481]

Perhaps I should clarify that I'm only talking about firearms and bows (which I forgot to add for SA). There's about 20 melee weapons in the SA versus 4 for the Mod.

 

i know, i know, my smartass-post wasnt entirely fair. i just wanted to point out that the fact that melee weapons do add to the diversity of armament in the SA, which wasnt possible in the mod.

[kichilron 8550]

I missed out on the pistols, my bad.  :blush:  :rolleyes:

[xenology 61]

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With regards,

Your lovely cuddly friend, Xenology (And Littlfinger *Look Below*)

Edited May 22, 2014 by Xenology

[xenology 61]

Read^

[rotteck 104]

edit: i read wrong, so nevermind

Edited May 22, 2014 by rotteck

[gibonez 3633]

Pretty good amount of weapons for how early the game is.

 

I have to say I do like the weapons in Stand Alone far more than in the mod.

 

More civilian focus.

[Etherious 907]

Bro please I found a secret technique that Rocket and Dean has hidden from us one that was in the archives I found it hidden in the script it's a falcon punch you need to break your legs and go from the most southern part of Chernarus where there is land to the north east and west in that order then punch zombies and playable characters to death ten of each without dying that are fully geared while talking saying you'll kill them repeat one hundred times if done correctly a my little pony named applejack will appear with the worlds biggest bronie t shirt on you will fly in a river of frosted flakes before ascending a unicorns rainbow farts after being sprinkled by fairy dust your pony should then poop Hershey kisses for the other survivors once you land you will be healed of all wounds repeat from beginning to end three hundred times now at this point if you did it correct you will be able to fly by swallowing disinfectant or at least eating it when you land this time hold shift P and click you will do a falcon punch with an explosive blast of the area including invulnerability this is a secret I shared with all of you if anything doesn't go in this order or correct manner or even the right objects then you will either A have a virus that will hack your account keeping you from ever making money again to support yourself B Be banned forever for trying this and failing or C Jeff the killer will chase you through any game you play while Tiny Tim's Tiptoe Through the Tulips play and will later come after you several hours after in real life or C Smiley will find you and make you do things you won't be proud of and finally D You may be sent to prison for life with no chance of parole if you want to fix those you must snap every game, CD, movie, and anything valuable that you have in half to reverse this then rebuy it all upgraded giving them to every forum user here including the admins and then buy it all for yourself again moving to a deserted island in the Atlantic where the children from Lord of The Flies live to avoid those problems and play video games once again it's worth the risk my friend do it!

 

With regards,

Your lovely cuddly friend, Xenology (And Littlfinger *Look Below*)

This has absolutely nothing to do with the topic...

[igor-vk 909]

But only 37 of these should actually be separate weapons. Even then quite a few are very similar. And I'm willing to bet the SA devs would cut the number down to 31 by making things into lootable attachments that by strict realism, shouldn't be (example: look at the new AKM's attachable underfolding stock). So 30 weapons is about right.

So, we still dont have HK G36, L85, FAL, M14, SVD, M24, MP5  and pump actions...

[hombrecz 832]

That all sounds nice and dandy untill Devs clearly stated, that they do not want to have so many different calibers.

I mean NOT wanting to introduce 5,45x39mm AK74 is simply blowing my mind and comment, that Vz.58 is not distinctive enough to make it into the game (even if they constantly remind us of using Czech Rep as setting) is making me very sad and a bit disappointed.

 

But yeah, it can be just me I guess.

 

I still love SA, it's just that more and more decisions the Devs take is starting to irk me.

Edited May 23, 2014 by Hombre

[Bororm 1156]

Yeah we're not doing bad, and we've got some pretty cool and distinct guns so far!

 

Looking forward to some higher end stuff getting added personally.  I really love the civilian style weapons, and mainly use them myself, but fighting guys gets a bit dull when they're all running either m4s or mosins.  Soon it will be AKMs and Mosins I guess, but I'd just like a wider variety of military grade weapons to go up against.

 

So for instance, while I think the longhorn is cool as shit and I am 100% glad they're adding it, it's not going to change the pvp scene much.

We'll get there eventually though, and I'm perfectly willing to wait.  They're on a decent pace of adding guns.  I look forward to having to fight against a variety of different weapons like the mod with my double barrel =P

Edited May 23, 2014 by Bororm

[gibonez 3633]

Yeah we're not doing bad, and we've got some pretty cool and distinct guns so far!

 

Looking forward to some higher end stuff getting added personally.  I really love the civilian style weapons, and mainly use them myself, but fighting guys gets a bit dull when they're all running either m4s or mosins.  Soon it will be AKMs and Mosins I guess, but I'd just like a wider variety of military grade weapons to go up against.

 

 

Lack of variety is only artificial.

 

Lack of variety only feels that way because alot of the weapons are rendered useless due to requiring a magazine yet magazines spawn nowhere near them so by the time you were to find a magazine you already found a weapon that does not require one and ammo for that gun.

 

This is why the sporter and most of the pistols are useless.

[Bororm 1156]

Lack of variety is only artificial.

 

Lack of variety only feels that way because alot of the weapons are rendered useless due to requiring a magazine yet magazines spawn nowhere near them so by the time you were to find a magazine you already found a weapon that does not require one and ammo for that gun.

 

This is why the sporter and most of the pistols are useless.

 

Not really, for pvp you're better off with nearly any other rifle than a sporter.  In the case of pistols, unless you're clearing a house and you only have a mosin, you're better off using an sks/assault rifle.  It has very little to do with finding the mags.

 

Players gravitate towards the "best" weapons, as it stands that's m4/mosin/sks, with m4s and mosins being more prevalent than SKS.  M4s are pretty much the current king of close and midrange engagements due to high capacity mags, mosins are for sniping, and the sks is a nice alternative for some people.

 

I am talking about kitted out players here, not people grabbing whatever they can at the moment.

Edited May 23, 2014 by Bororm

[Katana67 2907]

Lack of variety is only artificial.

 

Lack of variety only feels that way because alot of the weapons are rendered useless due to requiring a magazine yet magazines spawn nowhere near them so by the time you were to find a magazine you already found a weapon that does not require one and ammo for that gun.

 

This is why the sporter and most of the pistols are useless.

 

Wouldn't the solution be to increase overall magazine spawns for these weapons? I'd be in support of that if all magazines didn't come fully loaded.

[gibonez 3633]

Wouldn't the solution be to increase overall magazine spawns for these weapons? I'd be in support of that if all magazines didn't come fully loaded.

I would just spawn the guns with 1 or 2 empty magazines.

[Katana67 2907]

I would just spawn the guns with 1 or 2 empty magazines.

 

I could get behind it if it was 0-2, or even 0-1.

 

Finding a weapon without a magazine should still be an option.

[victusmortuus 1074]

M110 

^Variants

KSVK

M107

M8 SS

[Katana67 2907]

M110 

^Variants

KSVK

M107

M8 SS

 

What? None of those weapons, with the exception of the since-removed M107, were ever in the vanilla DayZ mod.

[tinroofer 23]

Given the fact that most guns cant shoot straight, and melee is really just an rng type system almost, is it really time to be talking about weapon diversity?  :)

[Katana67 2907]

Given the fact that most guns cant shoot straight, and melee is really just an rng type system almost, is it really time to be talking about weapon diversity?   :)

 

We can't talk about all three? I know I sure can...

 

And the objective of this thread is to highlight two things... One, that the mod didn't have all that many weapons in the first place. Two, that we're getting close to matching the number of firearms that were in the mod in the Standalone.