SKS Underpowered

[riskiestkiller 8]

A 200 dollar modern hunting rifle has far far better accuracy than a mosin nagant.

 

There is a reason why the mosin nagant is not used for building long range shooting platforms.

 

Mosins were built with mass production and reliability in mind, not accuracy.

 

Even amonst ww2 rifles the mosin nagant was d tier. I would even put arisakas above mosins in terms of accuracy.

mosin are hit and a miss with accuracy, some are tack drivers and some are crap shots, these rifles have seen alot of use, i have 3 mosin, 2 of them are alright shots just good all around shooters but my 1937 is a really great shot, if only i had a scope on her to put her to the test but i dont bubba old war guns :P, Now my mosin can't beat my 1938 k98, that thing is a tack driver B)

Edited May 19, 2014 by riskiestkiller

[gibonez 3633]

mosin are hit and a miss with accuracy, some are tack drivers and some are crap shots, these rifles have seen alot of use, i have 3 mosin, 2 of them are alright shots just good all around shooters but my 1937 is a really great shot, if only i had a scope on her to put her to the test but i dont bubba old war guns :P, Now my mosin can't beat my 1938 k98, that thing is a tack driver B)

 

Ive shot 2 mosins.

 

One a 9130 was aweful 5 inch groups at 100 yards with a bench rest and a vice.

 

The other an m44 was decent 3 inch groups both shooting that shit 147 grain light ball ammo.

[riskiestkiller 8]

Ive shot 2 mosins.

 

One a 9130 was aweful 5 inch groups at 100 yards with a bench rest and a vice.

 

The other an m44 was decent 3 inch groups both shooting that shit 147 grain light ball ammo.

Wow, i haven't see a mosin that bad yet,you may of shot a worn out mosin or might be a problem with the sites or it could be as easy as the rifle doesn't like the type of ammo you were shooting,  I though my mosins were bad shooters when i first got mine,  i was shooting brand new MFS brand ammo and my groups were every wheres then i switched to Chinese surplus and i started getting good groups and was popping 500ml water bottles at 100 yards. I am not a big mosin fan, but how they have the mosin in game being able to snipe is possible, I would never be able to hit that far out but other people can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2M1hC4c0tc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMG2gnHN1fo

 

The biggest problem with accuracy of any gun is not the rifle it self it's the person firing the gun. That being said i would love to have a k98 mauser in the game as a sniper :P

[Grimey Rick 3417]

Yes, please buff my favorite weapon. Never mind the fact it's almost a semi-automatic medium-range Mosin.

The only situation in which the SKS is "underpowered" is when three guys rush a building you're defending. Other than that, it's frag-tastic.

I support this thread.

[gibonez 3633]

Wow, i haven't see a mosin that bad yet,you may of shot a worn out mosin or might be a problem with the sites or it could be as easy as the rifle doesn't like the type of ammo you were shooting,  I though my mosins were bad shooters when i first got mine,  i was shooting brand new MFS brand ammo and my groups were every wheres then i switched to Chinese surplus and i started getting good groups and was popping 500ml water bottles at 100 yards. I am not a big mosin fan, but how they have the mosin in game being able to snipe is possible, I would never be able to hit that far out but other people can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2M1hC4c0tc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMG2gnHN1fo

 

The biggest problem with accuracy of any gun is not the rifle it self it's the person firing the gun. That being said i would love to have a k98 mauser in the game as a sniper :P

 

The mosin in the video was a heavily modified mosin. Using handloads or commercial ammo not indicative of a typical stock mosin with surplus ammo.

[hotcakes 348]

Have you ever shot a mosin ?

 

 

I take it you havent or havent done any actual research into the gun.

 

The gun looks and feels like it is a 100 dollar rifle, its old often times the stock is all busted up , bore is pitted, crown is cracked.

 

These are old military service rifles alot of them have seen use in the war, they are not safe queens.

 

These are old service rifles not precision sniper rifles they are not very accurate at all and just about any rifle is more accurate than them.

 

The b95 the so called recreational rifle is a 5k dollar luxury hunting rifle you can bet your ass off that it is built to higher tolerances and is far more accurate than a mosin.

 

The sks and m4 are also far more accurate in real life than any mosin. Even the most busted up and abused off the military rack m4 is more  accurate than a mosin.

 

Mosins are popular because they are 100 dollars and the ammo for them is cheap and plentiful.

 

They arent popular for being tack drivers.

 

Woah, are you a time wizard? Nuggets stopped being $100 since ages ago.

[riskiestkiller 8]

The mosin in the video was a heavily modified mosin. Using handloads or commercial ammo not indicative of a typical stock mosin with surplus ammo.

one has got a PU scope/ bent bolt and the other one has a nice scope and bent bolt, not sure what you mean by heavily modified? chances are its hand loads but who saids u can't do that with good commercial loads?

 

Theres also another video of someone shooting 1000 yards with iron sites.

 

Not sure why you don't think a mosin is capable to hitting out at long ranges but it is, same with a lot of surplus war rifles.

 

It comes down the shooter not being able to hit at long ranges, not the gun

[riskiestkiller 8]

Woah, are you a time wizard? Nuggets stopped being $100 since ages ago.

i must be, i bought one for $50 last winter :thumbsup:

[gibonez 3633]

one has got a PU scope/ bent bolt and the other one has a nice scope and bent bolt, not sure what you mean by heavily modified? chances are its hand loads but who saids u can't do that with good commercial loads?

 

Theres also another video of someone shooting 1000 yards with iron sites.

 

Not sure why you don't think a mosin is capable to hitting out at long ranges but it is, same with a lot of surplus war rifles.

 

It comes down the shooter not being able to hit at long ranges, not the gun

 

 

Trigger job, glass bedded , free floated , along with probably the most important thing, refinished barrel.

 

While yes its usually down to shooter skill its hard to get consistent 800 yard hits when the dispersion on the gun means your bullet will float anywhere within a 40 inch circle.

[riskiestkiller 8]

Trigger job, glass bedded , free floated , along with probably the most important thing, refinished barrel.

 

While yes its usually down to shooter skill its hard to get consistent 800 yard hits when the dispersion on the gun means your bullet will float anywhere within a 40 inch circle.

I missed that one from the first video so you win in the argument, but it still doesn't mean a stock one can't do it. Not all shooters could do it but some could.  I would love to see day z add in features where you could do that kind of work to the gun after finding the tools  B)

 

But i rather see them add in a nice old Mauser and let me  scope it :beans:

Edited May 20, 2014 by riskiestkiller

[gibonez 3633]

I missed that one from the first video so you win in the argument, but it still doesn't mean a stock one can't do it. Not all shooters could do it but some could.  I would love to see day z add in features where you could do that kind of work to the gun after finding the tools  B)

 

But i rather see them add in a nice old Mauser and let me  scope it :beans:

 

 

More bolt actions the better.

 

I personally wana see a nice .22lr bolt action.

 

Nice precision rimfire bolt gun with an internal magazine.

[riskiestkiller 8]

More bolt actions the better.

 

I personally wana see a nice .22lr bolt action.

 

Nice precision rimfire bolt gun with an internal magaazine

That would be nice, slap a mid range scope on her and would be a good silent rifle to head shot people :beans:.

 

I really want a svt 40, not for the fact that its a great rifle but more for the fact to scare the crap out of everyone, that rifle makes the mosin sound like a baby :thumbsup:

[gibonez 3633]

That would be nice, slap a mid range scope on her and would be a good silent rifle to head shot people :beans:.

 

I really want a svt 40, not for the fact that its a great rifle but more for the fact to scare the crap out of everyone, that rifle makes the mosin sound like a baby :thumbsup:

 

M44 makes the mosin sound like a baby and my god the fireball on that thing.

 

 

I wouldn't mind a m44 or a m38 mosin.

 

No accessories only the bayonet no optics and spawns more often than the 9130.

[jeffroland 26]

Ive shot 2 mosins.

 

One a 9130 was aweful 5 inch groups at 100 yards with a bench rest and a vice.

 

The other an m44 was decent 3 inch groups both shooting that shit 147 grain light ball ammo.

 

Do you think either one of those is indicative of the "pristine" Mosin represented in the game? of course not. You obviously shot well worn rifles, either worn rifling or some other defect. The obvious shitty grouping differences is pretty much a dead giveaway of that. No way Vasili Zaitsez gets famous with that kind of grouping at 100m

[hotcakes 348]

I got the jump on another player and we magdumped into each other for half a second with our M4s, then both died.

 

Ballistics a shit.

[TheLoneSurvivior 37]

Yeah how bad of a shot you are, lower recoil on a gun that can kill people with one well placed shot to 50 percent of their body.

 

The sks is my favorite gun and i get tons of kills with it, i truly hope your post get thoroughly ignored.

65 replies already. It isn't ignored.

[gibonez 3633]

Do you think either one of those is indicative of the "pristine" Mosin represented in the game? of course not. You obviously shot well worn rifles, either worn rifling or some other defect. The obvious shitty grouping differences is pretty much a dead giveaway of that. No way Vasili Zaitsez gets famous with that kind of grouping at 100m

 

Vasili the propaganda queen.

 

I doubt even half of his story is even true, but it was indeed good propaganda.

 

Even a pristine brand new mosin, not that you will ever find one nowadays, is not going to be more accurate than even the cheapest deer rifle out there.

 

The only advantages a mosin nagant are that it is cheap, the ammo it shoots is cheap and easy to find and it is reliable.

 

Accuracy, precision, those are not mosin traits, if you want those traits in a mosin you don't buy a mosin you buy the better built service rifles of the time, you buy a lee enfield, you buy a sweedish k31, you buy an arisaka, you buy a springfield, you buy a mauser.

 

You do not buy a mosin for accuracy and if you do prepare to spend more money than the actual price you paid for the rifle to get it to the level of even the most affordable new production rifle.

[anothercynicalbrit 166]

65 replies already. It isn't ignored.

I am not talking about people discussing it, i am talking about the idea of the sks being underpowered and thus needing a boost.

 

Use your brain, why would i care if people reply to the topic.

[riskiestkiller 8]

M44 makes the mosin sound like a baby and my god the fireball on that thing.

 

 

I wouldn't mind a m44 or a m38 mosin.

 

No accessories only the bayonet no optics and spawns more often than the 9130.

Ive never shot a m44 but i do own a m38, very nice rifle, got a bit of kick but the muzzle flash is amazing and would be nice for clearing buildings.

 

We need a svt 40 added in also, i call it the big boy sks :P

[jeffroland 26]

Vasili the propaganda queen.

 

I doubt even half of his story is even true, but it was indeed good propaganda.

 

Even a pristine brand new mosin, not that you will ever find one nowadays, is not going to be more accurate than even the cheapest deer rifle out there.

 

The only advantages a mosin nagant are that it is cheap, the ammo it shoots is cheap and easy to find and it is reliable.

 

Accuracy, precision, those are not mosin traits, if you want those traits in a mosin you don't buy a mosin you buy the better built service rifles of the time, you buy a lee enfield, you buy a sweedish k31, you buy an arisaka, you buy a springfield, you buy a mauser.

 

You do not buy a mosin for accuracy and if you do prepare to spend more money than the actual price you paid for the rifle to get it to the level of even the most affordable new production rifle.

 

It's amazing how much you think you know. I don't doubt that any of the rifles you just listed shoot better than a Mosin but your claim that the Mosin is inaccurate is laughable. I'm sure that the reason Russia invested so much into the line of Mosins is because of their inaccuracy. You got it right.

 

http://www.historynet.com/mosin-nagant-model-189130-russias-world-war-ii-sniper-rifle.htm

[gibonez 3633]

It's amazing how much you think you know. I don't doubt that any of the rifles you just listed shoot better than a Mosin but your claim that the Mosin is inaccurate is laughable. I'm sure that the reason Russia invested so much into the line of Mosins is because of their inaccuracy. You got it right.

 

http://www.historynet.com/mosin-nagant-model-189130-russias-world-war-ii-sniper-rifle.htm

 

Mosins were all they had.

 

The most effective weapons the Russians had were not mosins but the mass produced sub machineguns that they used in daring risky tactics.

 

Mosins are not accurate they simply are not unless you find a super lucky one or you spend good money to make a mosin accurate.

[hannibaldaplaya 1095]

The SKS is fineeeee.

[jeffroland 26]

Mosins were all they had. Once again you're wrong: Tokarev SVT-40.

 

The most effective weapons the Russians had were not mosins but the mass produced sub machineguns that they used in daring risky tactics.

Nice try changing the subject. I'm not talking about most effect gun in the Soviet arsenal. We're purely talking about the Mosin accuracy.

 

Mosins are not accurate they simply are not unless you find a super lucky one or you spend good money to make a mosin accurate.

Well, I can believe some young 26 year old kid that's fired a Mosin with a 5 inch grouping that believed this is indicative of a Mosin in pristine condition OR I can believe everything I've ever read from published sources that say the complete opposite. Hmmm, which do you think a sane person would believe? Did you even read the link I provided? No, I guess not.

[-Gews- 7443]

Stop arguing, most old surplus rifles firing old surplus ammo aren't very accurate by modern standards. 3-4" is normal and acceptable for Mausers, Enfields, Springfields, you name it. Nowadays you see people complaining if their hunting rifle is not sub-MOA.

As far as "pristine condition" goes it should not mean the rifle is an unusually well-made and accurate example or that it has never been fired, it should simply means it's in good condition. "Pristine" should mean decent accuracy for a decent example, not "best-made Mosin/SKS/M4A1 possible"... from there things can degrade.

[TheLoneSurvivior 37]

My thread still going strong? Dayum.