Babies! (Well, society)

[Gaidoon 19]

Your confusing your personal opinion with the fact Reproduction is the most basic survival instinct.

No' date=' I'm not.

It's just a bit more complicated than you'd think, reproduction is the result of environmental conditions and all sorts of weirdoe gene-influenced behavior and the act of sex itself. People don't consciously feel a sense of "survival", it's just our genes, our "selfish" genes that make blueprints of structure/behavior in order to replicate.

For example, a human might abandon his/her child because it looks weird or ugly, in a sense that is a mechanism for our genes to show preference for more healthy gene vehicle. The environment plays a big part in our sexual desires aswell, our libido is lower when we are stressed and so on.

Having sex at the wrong time might result in worse overall gene reproducing, so it's not all about having sex all the time, since resources are scarce and others are better candidates for mates than some others.

It is a common misconception that "reproduction is the most basic sense of survival", that is not simply the case, only in genetics it would apply more in the words of "Reproduction is the primary function of our genes"

And from that genome everything you do is to make your genes reproduce, and it's most definitely not always to procreate with another human being.

Ever wonder why people want to be with a good looking gal rather than ugly? Because they look and probably are more healthy, that's all it is all about, to signal another gene vehicle of our "great" genes and health.

ps. And by survival I meant the way you put it, we would want to look after ourselves during hard times and procreating is not the first thing to happen.

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Without going into the specifics of those individual theories, that I agree and disagree with to varying extents, and which you have simplified into some kind of genetics monolith which I assure you isn't an undisputed group of ideas among geneticists, I just want to make it clear that for me at least, my libido increases in times of stress. Perhaps not a normal reaction, but I find sex a great way to de-stress. Of course, I am not normally at risk of being found by a Zed in such scenarios. But people are not as similar as you seem to portray them, and there is such a thing as 'danger-sex'. In fact, sexual behaviour is one of the most varied human behaviours I can think of, and one of the few things that makes some of you people interesting at all.

Jk jk, but the point, as usual, stands.

I'm Laughing at this point were the only ones responding

[Bo0G 7]

Nope.

No interest in buggering my fellow bandits/survivors thanks. I don't care if they are men or women. I don't care if the buggering is on screen or implied.

Zero interest in seeing DayZ turn into:

The only way this would fly is if the mating partners were NPC. I can't believe anyone would even continue considering otherwise.

It's so rediculous but I can't stay away!

(Really, I just wanted a reason to post the pic)

[SystemiK 366]

You have GOT to be shitting me.

Seriously? SERIOUSLY???

[7-75 callaghan 43]

Nope.

No interest in buggering my fellow bandits/survivors thanks. I don't care if they are men or women. I don't care if the buggering is on screen or implied.

Zero interest in seeing DayZ turn into:

The only way this would fly is if the mating partners were NPC. I can't believe anyone would even continue considering otherwise.

It's so rediculous but I can't stay away!

(Really' date=' I just wanted a reason to post the pic)

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I was wondering where you had disappeared to. For someone with, and I quote 'little time to spend discussing this' with me, (or close enough) you certainly have a lot of time to express your views in drawn out image form.

If you don't support the idea, fine, but really it's quite sad that you have this much time to troll this thread. We had a decent discussion going while you were away.

As has been stated, this has absolutely zero to do with homosexual sex. Why you keep bringing it up is quite suspect...

If you'd like to talk about your closeted homosexuality in a way that your culture does not allow you to express without being beaten and made fun of, then i'm quite happy to provide you with a shoulder to cry on.

Otherwise, quit with the banjo-plukin', KKK homophobia. I have warned you multiple times now, and have a good mind to report you to the mods. People like you bring down the overall quality of the discussions in this community.

Oh and just a tip for life - human reproduction is not achieved via 'buggery'. Finish elementary school, then play games like DayZ.

EDIT - getting tired of these mindless hicks, how do I report a user to the mods?

[BL1P 252]

Erm this video by an unknown amazing video editor.

kinda relates to the none heterosexual side of this argument.

In a kind of Monti Pythonesq style.

Enjoy

Forgive me if this is too off topic :(

[7-75 callaghan 43]

Message to deep-south, moonshine-swilling hicks like Bo0G -

Before you post your next poorly thought out and unwanted mind-fart, trolling this thread with bigotry and off-topic nonsense. Consider how you are representing yourselves and this community.

This forum is for suggestions. If you are not mature and intelligent enough to comprehend the meaning of a suggestion, or the purpose of it's discussion, then I suggest you either stay away from the forums altogether, or understand that your behaviour only makes you look very immature and silly.

Constructive criticism is one thing, but you have proven time and time again that you are not capable of dealing with the notion of 'suggestions'.

You are wasting your time (which you seem to have a great deal of), by trying to annoy me. I am mature enough to deal with children like you, and as someone who has taught in a school environment, I have had to deal with poorly-raised children like you on a number of occasions. I am in fact indulging you greatly by even responding to your childish nonsense, but do not take these responses as legitimising, they only stem from an overall faith that you cannot actually be as pathetic as you seem on these forums, and might one day come around. As have other people on these forums after me being very patient with them.

How you spend your time is up to you, but I think it rather sad to spend it this way, personally.

Edit - and thanks for the video Blip, goes to show that some people, especially the creative types, are able to look at this scenario in a similar way.

[Bo0G 7]

The image was meant for a laugh. You have some real issues.

Reading back over this thread, I've noticed several people have left thoughtful though contrary feedback. Your response to all of them (including myself) is to try to belittle them. You either have a degree in what-the-fuck ever that makes you right and them stupid, or you are older than them (as if that matters) making you right and them unqualified to comment, or you invoke crying to an admin. The only reason I keep coming back is because I find you to be a bit of a spectacle.

But yeah, I will be leaving this thread now. I've had my fill of this disagreeable little man.

Carry on.

PS. Bl1P, I love you more than Zebra and miss you.

[7-75 callaghan 43]

The image was meant for a laugh. You have some real issues.

Reading back over this thread' date=' I've noticed several people have left thoughtful though contrary feedback. Your response to all of them (including myself) is to try to belittle them. You either have a degree in what-the-fuck ever that makes you right and them stupid, or you are older than them (as if that matters) making you right and them unqualified to comment, or you invoke crying to an admin. The only reason I keep coming back is because I find you to be a bit of a spectacle.

But yeah, I will be leaving this thread now. I've had my fill of this disagreeable little man.

Carry on.

PS. Bl1P, I love you more than Zebra and miss you.

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Actually, you, and the other kid, ApeToe, were the only trolls. The others entered into a discussion that although was heated, allowed me to discuss some important details and clarify some ideas that he and they had clearly misunderstood. People make mistakes, it takes being a man to admit one. Either way, I appreciate that you are leaving this alone, as i'm sure you have far more important things to do.

[BL1P 252]

PS. Bl1P' date=' I love you more than Zebra and miss you.

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Ahh it is you BoOG I was wondering.

Hello m8 :)

It seems you and Callaghan have got of on the wrong foot.

Shame as I'm sure your both nice guys just misunderstanding each other ...

Ill be back to edit the mission for TG m8 once I have finished with my addition to DayZ. "n" taught some of the DayZ arma noobs wtf is going on :)

[killroth 9]

if i saw someone with a baby id shoot them and eat thier baby

[Gaidoon 19]

if i saw someone with a baby id shoot them and eat thier baby

If you think thats being a bandit check out the posts in my signature thread.

[7-75 callaghan 43]

if i saw someone with a baby id shoot them and eat thier baby

Ok, cool. What you do is up to you lol. This thread is here for feedback on the idea, and there were no original plans to have actual baby characters anyway. Stay on topic.

[killroth 9]

if i saw someone with a baby id shoot them and eat thier baby

If you think thats being a bandit check out the posts in my signature thread.

Already read it lol pretty funny:P

[Delfer (DayZ) 0]

Already read it lol pretty funny:P

Finally someone who gets it...

[RobbL (DayZ) 26]

-ignore this-

[Capercaillie 16]

I'd say, a nice reward for "having the baby" is to actually have twins:

both the male character and female character now have a new skin, they will be carrying the baby in their arms, so no more 2-handed weapons.

Also the baby will need food, care, warmth, shelter etc...

Oh, and it randomly starts crying out loud.

Lets not forget about the pregnant woman, they can be pretty demanding...

I see how this adds "realism" to the game, yet another reason not to cheat on your right hand.

[Tyrog 10]

What the f*ck?

[Lukio (DayZ) 24]

I don't know why these suggestions asking for NPCs or players to have intercourse with always come up.

What would it do for the game experience? What are the benefits or deficits of having a family? It reminds me of people that have online marriages in MMOs - it has 0 meaning or value in a game that is not built around this mechanic.

[Gaidoon 19]

I don't know why these suggestions asking for NPCs or players to have intercourse with always come up.

What would it do for the game experience? What are the benefits or deficits of having a family? It reminds me of people that have online marriages in MMOs - it has 0 meaning or value in a game that is not built around this mechanic.

Because the game the game is supposed to be realistic.

[7-75 callaghan 43]

I don't know why these suggestions asking for NPCs or players to have intercourse with always come up.

What would it do for the game experience? What are the benefits or deficits of having a family? It reminds me of people that have online marriages in MMOs - it has 0 meaning or value in a game that is not built around this mechanic.

If you had read the suggestion, as opposed to just come here to troll, you would see that I had clearly stated that there was no suggestion of baby NPCs, or intercourse. Read again, and use your brain to understand the mechanics that arise thereafter, I shouldn't have to spell everything out.

[RobbL (DayZ) 26]

Firstly, babies would die straight away in such a hostile environment with no coherent society, which renders having them completely useless and stupid in the first place... we'd have to have a full-blown society-building feature for something like this to even begin to work

Secondly, the timeframe of gameplay in this mod is too short for a mechanic like this to work

Thirdly, you go on about 'realism' yet the only incentives to engage in this gameplay mechanic is stuff like health and loot boosts, which is forced and unrealistic

Fourthly, a mechanic like this would add nothing to the existing gameplay and would be detrimental to immersion for reasons mentioned above

[7-75 callaghan 43]

Firstly' date=' babies would die straight away in such a hostile environment with no coherent society, which renders having them completely useless and stupid in the first place... we'd have to have a full-blown society-building feature for something like this to even begin to work

Secondly, the timeframe of gameplay in this mod is too short for a mechanic like this to work

Thirdly, you go on about 'realism' yet the only incentives to engage in this gameplay mechanic is stuff like health and loot boosts, which is forced and unrealistic

Fourthly, a mechanic like this would add nothing to the existing gameplay and would be detrimental to immersion for reasons mentioned above

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Wrong on all points. Life goes on in places of the utmost horror, far worse than the actually rather mild conditions of DayZ Chernarus, such as war-torn 3rd world countries, near-extinctions of the human race that have happened in history etc.

When infant mortality goes up, so does birth rate. I suggest you watch a lecture by Hans Rosling on 3rd world infant mortality and global population changes. He uses pretty visualisations that even you would understand.

Secondly, all games use the basic function of time compression. All of them. Although DayZ uses a 24 hour day/night cycle, this is merely an aesthetic function, food and water consumption experiences heavy time compression. Likewise for other mechanics, such as infections, and the mechanic I have suggested. No one has the time to live through a whole zombie apocalypse in a virtual environment, at least they shouldn't, so your argument is a non-sequitur and poorly thought through.

Thirdly, if you had read my post, you would have understood that I made it particularly clear that I would prefer a non-materialistic reward system, as there is plenty of loot as it is. In fact, and if you had any real intelligence you would have worked this out yourself - 'intrigue' is a central player driving motivation in pretty much all arma mods, in particular this one, and is enough to provide end game content in that it is just another challenge, with the inherent reward in knowing you are a particularly skilled survivor if you are able to achieve it. My preferred reward for this system, would in fact be some kind of social status marker, as this affects player psychology and seems to work in most games. Something like a different civilian skin, a more mature/aged look, and perhaps a small material reward such as +1000 max blood.

Finally, your fourth point is a reiteration of what you had already said, without adding anything else. You need to learn how to construct a basic logical argument. This mechanic would add a great deal for existing gameplay, and that you cannot see that without having it spelled out for you word by word, even though it already has been discussed extensively in previous posts, further undermines your position and that of those who share it. That you are so anti-intellectual, and incapable of understanding potentiality without having every detail explained to you patiently, further discredits your position and any 'arguments' that might stem from it.

Again, as I made it very clear in my post, those things (i.e. the specifics of the mechanic, and the rewards) are open for discussion. What is fundamental and unchanging in my suggestion, is the very obvious need for socially driven end-game content that encourages teamwork and adds a greater sense of purpose to this fun, but highly incomplete modification. All you, and other apparently very young and narrow-minded people, are able to come up with, are barely comprehensible guffaws at the general idea without fully understanding it.

This is why you, and similar minded people, don't end up in game development. You lack imagination, foresight, and the ability to enter a discussion in a productive way.

[RobbL (DayZ) 26]

You seem to be going by on an assumption that just because something happens in real life it should happen in game. That's not what realism is about. If something is worthless to gameplay and immersion, it's worthless to the game

This suggestion is just so forced and pointless

May I just ask, are you autistic?

[7-75 callaghan 43]

You seem to be going by on an assumption that just because something happens in real life it should happen in game. That's not what realism is about. If something is worthless to gameplay and immersion' date=' it's worthless to the game

This suggestion is just so forced and pointless

May I just ask, are you autistic?

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After providing all of that very clear information, that is the best you can achieve? If you think that there is something forced about it, then please, for the sake of anyone with a brain here, explain how, in a clear and coherent way.

And no, I am not autistic, thanks for asking. If you knew anything about autism then you would know that the last thing they would be suggesting is a complex, social-based game mechanic. So once again, you are parading your ignorance with pride. I will assume you are adolescent or pre-pubescent, and I have a strong feeling i'm right.

Did you watch the suggested lecture? No, of course not.

If you can't lay out your 'argument' in a clear way, without just sounding like an answering machine, then please go away and leave the discussion to the adults.

EDIT - in fact, after having seen several of your very immature and unintelligent posts, i'm just adding you to my ignore list, because I can't be bothered to read anymore of your mindless and childish nonsense. Just saw your profile too, you are 18 years old, you are too young to understand complex social dynamics and things that affect civilisations. Not all people your age have that problem, but it is obvious that you are below average intelligence for your age. For these reasons and others I have stated, I will not have this discussion with you. Finish school, see the wider world, then I will listen to your nonsense a little longer perhaps.

[RobbL (DayZ) 26]

I have made coherent arguments as to why your idea is a load of crap, but you keep replying with faux-intellectual nonsense.