Will a ppsh 41 be added to the game?

[TheWizard14 372]

Just wondering if the PPSH-41 gun will ever be added

 

[BSB Jimmy 360]

Are they still common?

[Forrelist 236]

It gets suggested a fair bit between here and Reddit, so I'll go with the 'Probably sooner or later' opinion.

 

 

Edit: And not to mention that they are adding a Walther P38, not too sure how many of them are still kicking around. So yeah , Possibly. (unless the P38 is a replica or reissue like the ingame 1911 is)

Edited April 7, 2014 by Forrelist

[Katana67 2907]

Nothing against the PPSh. Wouldn't mind if it were included. It fires 7.62x25 Tokarev, which isn't in DayZ yet. So it might be unlikely that they include it and a relatively proprietary round.

 

However, I favor more modern SMGs to be implemented. Or PDWs and SBRs.

 

There are a lot of "older" weapons already in DayZ, not sure I'd want to keep piling them on endlessly (this isn't WWII). But any SMG would be welcome.

Edited April 7, 2014 by Katana67

[gibonez 3633]

I doubt it.

 

I wouldn't even know where to find one.

 

As far as I know there are not a ton of these in circulation anymore.

Edited April 7, 2014 by gibonez

[DURRHUNTER 597]

7.62mmX25mm Tokarev and 7.62mmX54mmR will most likey be implemented because of the significance of WW2 weapons.

 

Weapons in 7.62mmX25mm Tokarev and 7.62mmX54mmR

PPSh-41

PPS-42

PPS-43

TT-33

PD40

CZ52

PP-19 Bizon

Sa vz. 23 (aka PM63)

7.62mmX54mmR Weapons

AVT-40

SVT-38

SVT-40

Mosin Nagant 1891

DP-28 LMG

PK Machine Gun

Dragunov DMR's

and a few other misc Russian MG's

[BadAsh (DayZ) 1513]

Are they still common?

 

In Chernarus? I would bet they are more common than the Blaser or the Marlin 1894. But yeah, gun prevalence realism is obviously not an issue in this game, so common according to what? Unfortunately, I don't think the devs are really bothered by any thoughts about weapon availability according to the initial game scenario.

[gibonez 3633]

In Chernarus? I would bet they are more common than the Blaser or the Marlin 1894. But yeah, gun prevalence realism is obviously not an issue in this game, so common according to what? Unfortunately, I don't think the devs are really bothered by any thoughts about weapon availability according to the initial game scenario.

 

I wish they would just come out with a fully fleshed out backstory already. I want to know what the actual story is and what to expect.

[SniperwolfMR 153]

This gun is lame and ugly. 

[BadAsh (DayZ) 1513]

This gun is lame and ugly. 

 

Please provide a more detailed response as to why this gun is lame and ugly (and a less punchworthy in the face answer).

Edited April 8, 2014 by BadAsh

[Katana67 2907]

7.62mmX25mm Tokarev and 7.62mmX54mmR will most likey be implemented because of the significance of WW2 weapons.

 

Weapons in 7.62mmX25mm Tokarev and 7.62mmX54mmR

PPSh-41

PPS-42

PPS-43

TT-33

PD40

CZ52

PP-19 Bizon

Sa vz. 23 (aka PM63)

7.62mmX54mmR Weapons

AVT-40

SVT-38

SVT-40

Mosin Nagant 1891

DP-28 LMG

PK Machine Gun

Dragunov DMR's

and a few other misc Russian MG's

 

Highly doubt they'd throw in 7.62x25 TT when the weapons they'd probably be interested in (i.e. the Bizon) can be chambered in alternative rounds (9mm, which is already included).

 

7.62x54R is another one. I'd certainly like it to be properly included (as the Mosin currently takes 7.62x51). But by comparison, very few weapons actually use it. The PKM and SVD are pretty much it these days (and the aforementioned Mosin). SVT's are pretty hard to come by and expensive, and haven't had the same lasting presence as competitive SVDs and variants (i.e. PSL).

 

Yet everything uses 7.62x51. By a lot.

 

But, the more rounds the merrier! Helps overall rarity. Now if we can just get some fancy PDW cartridges in...

Edited April 8, 2014 by Katana67

[DURRHUNTER 597]

Highly doubt they'd throw in 7.62x25 TT when the weapons they'd probably be interested in (i.e. the Bizon) are more commonly chambered in alternative rounds (9mm, which is already included).

 

7.62x54R is another one. I'd certainly like it to be properly included (as the Mosin currently takes 7.62x51). But by comparison, very few weapons actually use it. The PKM and SVD are pretty much it these days (and the aforementioned Mosin). SVT's are pretty hard to come by and expensive, and haven't had the same lasting presence as competitive SVDs and variants (i.e. PSL).

SVT-40's produced: 1.7million including variants

Mosin Nagants produced: around 37 million

PPSh41s produced: around 6 million

PPS-42/43 produced: around 2 million

TT-33's produced: around 1.7 million

CZ52's produced: 200,000

PKM's produced: a little over a million

SVD's produced: couldnt find a number, probably over a million.

 

But think about it, are you going to find a high powered machine gun and a box magazine or are you more likely to find a dead ex-red army's soldiers most prized weapon stashed in a closet?

Soviet Weapons/WW2: over 48.4 million

Current Weapons in Russia chambered in 7.62mmX54mmR: less than 3 million.

 

 

 

 

In the end, AKM will trump all these, but i want some RO2 weapons and some old stuff that is fun to shoot and aint all for KoS'ing

Edited April 8, 2014 by DURRHUNTER

[gibonez 3633]

SVT-40's produced: 1.7million including variants

Mosin Nagants produced: around 37 million

PPSh41s produced: around 6 million

PPS-42/43 produced: around 2 million

TT-33's produced: around 1.7 million

CZ52's produced: 200,000

PKM's produced: a little over a million

SVD's produced: couldnt find a number, probably over a million.

 

But think about it, are you going to find a high powered machine gun and a box magazine or are you more likely to find a dead ex-red army's soldiers most prized weapon stashed in a closet?

Soviet Weapons/WW2: over 48.4 million

Current Weapons in Russia chambered in 7.62mmX54mmR: less than 3 million.

 

 

 

 

In the end, AKM will trump all these, but i want some RO2 weapons and some old stuff that is fun to shoot and aint all for KoS'ing

 

you put a sling shot in I would use it for kos :D

[Katana67 2907]

SVT-40's produced: 1.7million including variants

Mosin Nagants produced: around 37 million

PPSh41s produced: around 6 million

PPS-42/43 produced: around 2 million

TT-33's produced: around 1.7 million

CZ52's produced: 200,000

PKM's produced: a little over a million

SVD's produced: couldnt find a number, probably over a million.

 

But think about it, are you going to find a high powered machine gun and a box magazine or are you more likely to find a dead ex-red army's soldiers most prized weapon stashed in a closet?

Soviet Weapons/WW2: over 48.4 million

Current Weapons in Russia chambered in 7.62mmX54mmR: less than 3 million.

 

I'm willing to bet that over half of those have since been destroyed/dismantled/dispersed. Six million PPSh-41's and they're relatively hard to come by seventy years later.

 

I can't comment on likelihood, as it's pretty unlikely one would find the majority of weapons in DayZ at the rates we're finding them.

 

Merely saying that I believe they're more inclined to deal with weapons which have already been provided for in terms of ammunition. I don't agree with this approach, but it seems likely given the relatively common calibers they've gone for.

Edited April 8, 2014 by Katana67

[gibonez 3633]

I'm willing to bet that over half of those have since been destroyed/dismantled/dispersed. Six million PPSh-41's and they're relatively hard to come by seventy years later.

 

I can't comment on likelihood, as it's pretty unlikely one would find the majority of weapons in DayZ at the rates we're finding them.

 

Merely saying that I believe they're more inclined to deal with weapons which have already been provided for in terms of ammunition. I don't agree with this approach, but it seems likely given the relatively common calibers they've gone for.

 

I only found one on gunbroker although I suspect they would be far easier to find around those parts.

 

6 million smgs don't just magically disappear. Would be far easier to find in those regions than say any ultra modern smg or rifle. I also don't consider an m4 or an akm modern btw.

[DURRHUNTER 597]

common calibers

Sure i know they are trying to keep them to a minimum, but this is going to hurt the game sometime or latter. People will get tired of every weapon in .308, .223, 7.62mmX39mm, 9mm, .45, and .357.

[gibonez 3633]

Sure i know they are trying to keep them to a minimum, but this is going to hurt the game sometime or latter. People will get tired of every weapon in .308, .223, 7.62mmX39mm, 9mm, .45, and .357.

 

Well those do happen to be the most common calibers in weapons.

 

That is not to say new calibers do not have a place. I am sure they will add more calibers in the future. I just doubt it will be a 7.62x25mm or any obsolete ww2 calibers that are no longer in mass production now and no longer being chambered in new weapons.

[-Gews- 7443]

In Chernarus there would be way more 7.62x54R than 7.62 NATO.

 

Every Eastern Block general-purpose machine gun uses it. Many Soviet Block armoured vehicles include a PKT with thousands of rounds onboard. There is BILLIONS of 7.62x54R out there.

 

In the homes of hunters and shooters, probably not as much. But overall... much more.

[DURRHUNTER 597]

In Chernarus there would be way more 7.62x54R than 7.62 NATO.

 

Every Eastern Block general-purpose machine gun uses it. Many Soviet Block armoured vehicles include a PKT with thousands of rounds onboard. There is BILLIONS of 7.62x54R out there.

 

In the homes of hunters and shooters, probably not as much. But overall... much more.

THANK YOU GEWS. BEANS.

[Katana67 2907]

In Chernarus there would be way more 7.62x54R than 7.62 NATO.

 

Every Eastern Block general-purpose machine gun uses it. Many Soviet Block armoured vehicles include a PKT with thousands of rounds onboard. There is BILLIONS of 7.62x54R out there.

 

In the homes of hunters and shooters, probably not as much. But overall... much more.

 

There's also billions of 7.62x51 NATO out there. With far more weapon platforms which use it. Moreover, 7.62x51 is marginalizing 7.62x54R as of late in Eastern European nations. Either way, I don't think anyone here suggested that one round is more common than the other. I only asserted that 7.62x51 is used in far more weapon platforms, which is entirely accurate.

 

I'd actually posit that 7.62x54R (for the purposes of DayZ) is better suited as a round to be found in residential spawns. With 7.62x51 NATO being rarer and only to be found in military spawns to justify its ability to be used in a wider variety of so-called "high-end" weapons.

 

If we limit ourselves to the weapons which use 7.62x54R, we're essentially stuck with the Mosin, PKM, and SVD. That's it. I'm fine with those weapons, and 2/3 of them are in (essentially). But I certainly would like more than the limited inventory available to 7.62x54R.

Edited April 8, 2014 by Katana67

[hellcat420 212]

Just wondering if the PPSH-41 gun will ever be added

 

i hope its never added because ALPHA

 

in reality these things are just crappy bullet hoses. id much rather they add the sub variant of the ak.

Edited April 8, 2014 by hellcat420

[gibonez 3633]

Isn't 7.62x54 r used in a wide variety of hunting rifles  and bolt guns in eastern europe and russia ?

[-Gews- 7443]

There's also billions of 7.62x51 NATO out there. With far more weapon platforms which use it. Moreover, 7.62x51 is marginalizing 7.62x54R as of late in Eastern European nations. Either way, I don't think anyone here suggested that one round is more common than the other. I only asserted that 7.62x51 is used in far more weapon platforms, which is entirely accurate.

 

I'd actually posit that 7.62x54R (for the purposes of DayZ) is better suited as a round to be found in residential spawns. With 7.62x51 NATO being rarer to justify its ability to be used in a wider variety of so-called "high-end" weapons.

 

If we limit ourselves to the weapons which use 7.62x54R, we're essentially stuck with the Mosin, PKM, and SVD. That's it. I'm fine with those weapons, and 2/3 of them are in (essentially). But I certainly would like more than the limited inventory available to 7.62x54R.

 

 

The 7.62x54R has been in continuous production ever since 1891. It saw use in the two largest wars in history by one of the largest armies in history. The entire Warsaw Pact produced it during the Cold War and they did not skimp on production... It is still used by many, many armies and definitely isn't being "marginalized", the countries using it do not have the money or inclination to swap cartridges for their thousands of machine guns...

 

I don't think it is a residential cartridge. Nowadays it is primarily used in military firearms and the vast majority of ammunition is military surplus. Most civilians only shoot it in Mosin-Nagants, the cheap Mosins are the only real reason this cartridge is still somewhat popular among civilians. If you look at hunting and sporting rifles, doesn't matter if they are European, American, very few are being produced in 7.62x54R. So 7.62 NATO would be more popular amongst hunters and target shooters.

 

Anyways: why not both?

[Katana67 2907]

Isn't 7.62x54 r used in a wide variety of hunting rifles  and bolt guns in eastern europe and russia ?

 

Mosin and SV-98 are the only military bolt-actions which use 7.62x54R.

 

And no, it's not common in a wide variety of hunting riles. Just checked Zastava and CZ, no 7.62x54R hunting rifles to be found.

[Katana67 2907]

Anyways: why not both?

 

Which is what I've been saying! :D

 

And for what it's worth, like you said, the Mosin seems to be the primary firearm (in terms of numbers of weapons) to use 7.62x54R. So, in DayZ, it's classified as a so-called "civilian" weapon. Which would therefore link it with 7.62x54R as a "civilian" round.