Anyone worried there will be too many ammo types ?

[gibonez 3633]

I think there's a limit. I mean there's only so many calibers they can really go for without bleeding over into the obscure.

 

5.56x45 and 5.45x39 respectively.

 

7.62x39

 

7.62x54R and 7.62x51 respectively.

 

.22 LR

 

9x19

 

.45 ACP

 

I'd say that covers the majority. I've underlined the ones that are already in. 7.62x39 and 5.45x39 are inbound assumedly, possibly 7.62x54R with the SVD.

 

If they want to throw in some (relatively, although many have common hunting applications) rarer rounds like .300 Win Mag or .338 LM, I'd be okay with that.

 

 

.300 win mag i can see since its a popular long range hunting cartrige and since it is also now adopted in the military.

 

.338 lm is pretty rare in the civilian market due to its high cost, and from my understanding only special forces use the .338 lm.

[Katana67 2907]

.338 lm is pretty rare in the civilian market due to its high cost, and from my understanding only special forces use the .338 lm.

 

The reason I don't have any issue with rare, expensive, or obscure rounds is that they can be used to keep certain types of ammo (and therefore the use of certain types of weapons) rare.

 

I mean if every swingin' dick can get his hands on a box of 7.62x51 (.308) which goes in everything from civilian hunting rifles, to battle rifles/DMRs, to bolt-action sniper rifles, to GPMGs... then it sort of defeats the purpose of making ammo rare. Even if said ammo is rare, it can be used in a variety of weapons. With more obscure rounds, its use is limited in addition to its rarity.

 

.338 LM is gaining popularity, there are a wide range of weapons that use it. Specifically the AWSM, which is seeing use by a multitude of countries.

 

On one hand I like ammo which can be used in a variety of weapons. But I'm not entirely opposed to making certain rounds the X round. Like having .338 LM be the bolt-action sniper rifle round. Or having 7.62x51 be the battle rifle/DMR round. Or .300 Win Mag be the hunting rifle round.

 

That type of division allows for the devs to more easily police rarity.

Edited April 1, 2014 by Katana67

[applejaxc 2500]

Lol. Good luck with 5.7. 

I would like to see more calibers but there aren't many that can be implemented without adding prototype, shit, or extremely rare guns like Five-Sevens, DEs, SCAR-Hs, and ACRs.

 

The SCAR-H and SCAR-L aren't "prototype" weapons; they're just used by the US special forces (it does stand for Special Forces Combat Assault Rifle Heavy after all...) and should be extremely rare. I THINK ACR stands for Advanced Combat Rifle (Google seems to agree with me) and isn't yet common. I don't know if the DE stands for Desert Eagle (which should be included but never chosen by a half-competent player) or something else in your use. the Five-Seven is not prototype, shit, or rare; there's a reason Mexican cartels are starting to use them. The 5.7mm is amazingly good at penetrating body armor and has ballistic performance on-par with assault rifles (which is why the zero-recoil giant-magazine P90 is fucking scary). In fact, if the 57's high-capacity magazine and likelihood of restriction weren't problems (since I can only get a civilian-level firearms license) I'd trust my life with one (...but I'll have to stick to 10mm with the USA being in the situation it is). Probably the only reason it hasn't been copy-catted by Russia and China is because the Russians have 9x21 (which performs like .357 and can shoot through body armor and cars) and the Chinese have 7.62x17 (which isn't fantastic but good enough). The US secret service has adopted it in-gusto, and of the 40 some-ought countries that have adopted it, I'm sure plenty of NATO workers sent into Chernarus following reports of cannibalism and mass hysteria in the however-many-years-in-the-future DayZ brought plenty for the FN57 to be a valid addition to the game.

[applejaxc 2500]

.338 lm is pretty rare in the civilian market due to its high cost, and from my understanding only special forces use the .338 lm.

 

 

.338 LM is gaining popularity, there are a wide range of weapons that use it. Specifically the AWSM, which is seeing use by a multitude of countries.

Gibonez, I'm going to go a step further than Katana: While yes it is gaining popularity with civilians, it's already gained considerable popularity with domestic counter-terror teams (KSK, SWAT/HRT, et cetera) and police forces. British police sharp shooters use it. I don't see why it couldn't be in DayZ.

[Katana67 2907]

Gibonez, I'm going to go a step further than Katana: While yes it is gaining popularity with civilians, it's already gained considerable popularity with domestic counter-terror teams (KSK, SWAT/HRT, et cetera) and police forces. British police sharp shooters use it. I don't see why it couldn't be in DayZ.

 

I wasn't referring to civilian use of .338 LM. I was referring to military use, so I agree with you regardless. :D

[applejaxc 2500]

They never took off in the civilian market and very few militarys adopted them.

 

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Edited April 1, 2014 by Applejaxc

[applejaxc 2500]

I wasn't referring to civilian use of .338 LM. I was referring to military use, so I agree with you regardless. :D

The civilian use is on the rise, mate.

:huh:

 

:D  :|  :|

>:(

[lipemr 160]

As they begin to add more weapons is anyone worried we will see a similiar situation such as in the mods such as breaking point where there are too many different guns in too many different calibers.

 

This leads to alot of the weapons being useless since there will never be ammo for them unless you find some with the weapon itself.

 

Anyone hoping they continue to add weapons but in common calibers.

 

that's exactly what should happen in the mod. You shouldnt find DMR, makarov and .45 mags scattered around civillian buildings. a specific type of Ammunition should be a pain in the ass to find.

 

You need to think about what you'll carry in your inventory, you cant stock up on DMR mags on an industrial building and go to balota get a M14 or M24 like we did in the mod.

 

Same to stanag.

Edited April 1, 2014 by lipemr

[applejaxc 2500]

What I am worried is about obscure calibers making their way in the game. Calibers such as .50 beowulf, or .300 blackout, or .408 cheytac.

First of all, .408 isn't obscure.

 

Second .50 Beowulf and 5.45 Genghis "wildcat" rounds should absolutely be rare; Alexander Arms is the only company I know of that sells that ammunition and weapons that use them.

 

Third: Wildcat ammunition (when an individual takes ammunition and modifies it), while illegal, is a lot more popular than you think (it's how 10mm and .40 S&W got started!) and would make sense in countries like Chernarus, where you can't afford to just buy 1000 rounds of 7.62 whenever you want. Why not home made ammo?

 

Fourth: I think the rarest of all weapons should be the Chinese QBZ and 5.8mm ammo.

[thedogfoodyayho 295]

The SCAR-H and SCAR-L aren't "prototype" weapons; they're just used by the US special forces (it does stand for Special Forces Combat Assault Rifle Heavy after all...) and should be extremely rare. I THINK ACR stands for Advanced Combat Rifle (Google seems to agree with me) and isn't yet common. I don't know if the DE stands for Desert Eagle (which should be included but never chosen by a half-competent player) or something else in your use. the Five-Seven is not prototype, shit, or rare; there's a reason Mexican cartels are starting to use them. The 5.7mm is amazingly good at penetrating body armor and has ballistic performance on-par with assault rifles (which is why the zero-recoil giant-magazine P90 is fucking scary). In fact, if the 57's high-capacity magazine and likelihood of restriction weren't problems (since I can only get a civilian-level firearms license) I'd trust my life with one (...but I'll have to stick to 10mm with the USA being in the situation it is). Probably the only reason it hasn't been copy-catted by Russia and China is because the Russians have 9x21 (which performs like .357 and can shoot through body armor and cars) and the Chinese have 7.62x17 (which isn't fantastic but good enough). The US secret service has adopted it in-gusto, and of the 40 some-ought countries that have adopted it, I'm sure plenty of NATO workers sent into Chernarus following reports of cannibalism and mass hysteria in the however-many-years-in-the-future DayZ brought plenty for the FN57 to be a valid addition to the game.

I never meant any of those are prototypes. They are not extensively used at all and would NOT be in Chernarus, exept for maybe a few Dozen deagles. The ACR and FN57 are to expensive to be used widely Atm. Same for the ACR. While i MAY agree to it being at Helicopter crashes (If those are added) it really shouldn't. We don't need  BF/CoD level weapons just because they are good guns. The Majority wants less military weapons, to, and anyone who wants weapons to be At all realistic doesn't want QBZ's, as if chernarus wanted to use theses, or even Five-Sevens they would go bankrupt. They were still using Makarovs... something tells me they aren't going to sink money into these guns.

As for penetrating calibers, they probably use Tokarevs.

 

There are plenty of alternatives for extra calibers - .32 ACP, 7.62x38, 7.63x25, .303, 7.92x57 - All of which you will find 1000 of before a Lapua. (Which btw almost all the civilians in Chernarus would have to sell their shitty cabin to buy, and doesn't make much/any sense for military as again, $)

 

Honestly, to, if half the guns you want added were in, then the only people playing would be about 100thou PvPs and Kids -  No offence - thats what you want, even if i disagree i'm not going to start bashing you for it.

[gibonez 3633]

 

There are plenty of alternatives for extra calibers - .32 ACP, 7.62x38, 7.63x25, .303, 7.92x57 - All of which you will find 1000 of before a Lapua. (Which btw almost all the civilians in Chernarus would have to sell their shitty cabin to buy, and doesn't make much/any sense for military as again, $)

 

Honestly, to, if half the guns you want added were in, then the only people playing would be about 100thou PvPs and Kids -  No offence - thats what you want, even if i disagree i'm not going to start bashing you for it.

 

sadly the days of mil sulp for those calibers are over.

 

.303 british for example is all but gone. The surplus ammo has all but disappeared :(.

Same with 7.92x57 people that have that typically hand load.

[BadAsh (DayZ) 1513]

As they begin to add more weapons is anyone worried we will see a similiar situation such as in the mods such as breaking point where there are too many different guns in too many different calibers.

 

This leads to alot of the weapons being useless since there will never be ammo for them unless you find some with the weapon itself.

 

Anyone hoping they continue to add weapons but in common calibers.

 

No. I am counting on this being the result. Working guns should be rarer, and players should definitely not be able to pick and choose, but be forced to go along with whatever gun+ammo combination they happen to come across.

[krebsy 11]

I think we are missing a trick here with the whole availability of ammo and likelihood of finding it etc....

I'm not to concerned over the range of guns and ammo types as most likely there'd be .22, 9mm, 5.56, .45, .357, shotgun shells and a stack of 7.62 (soviet and NATO) knocking about and not much else. What we need to consider is how much of that is as actually made up rounds and how much is in components?

As an ex-shooter, most of the ammo I had access to was stored as separate bags of bullets, cases, primers and tubs of powder. I'd love to see it in game that you were much more likely to find components and you needed to make up your own rounds by finding the right tools (press, powder measures, ball bearings and cloth wadding for shotgun shells etc) and the ability to vary the load or makeup of the rounds etc.

Do you risk adding extra powder in to increase range but risking a gun jam or worse? Do you scrape all the heads off of a box of matches and add it all into your shotgun shells for phosphorous/dragon breath rounds? Do you prefer using copper jacketed 9mm or unjacketed with a ball bearing stuck on the end to pierce armour or cross-cut with a knife for added anti-personal damage?

Spread the components out across the map so you have to go and hunt the parts plus make premade boxed ammo much rarer. Spawn ammo presses in factories or random houses, give players a need to join together (one guy working the press and others defending him) or when we can build bases, setup a factory and ammo trading post etc...

K.

[weedmasta 784]

As they begin to add more weapons is anyone worried we will see a similiar situation such as in the mods such as breaking point where there are too many different guns in too many different calibers.

 

This leads to alot of the weapons being useless since there will never be ammo for them unless you find some with the weapon itself.

 

Anyone hoping they continue to add weapons but in common calibers.

 

Variety is always good, makes scavenging more interesting.

[gorvi 189]

I'm worried we wont get ammo presses.  Parts even, to take back to base/camp.

[gibonez 3633]

I'm worried we wont get ammo presses.  Parts even, to take back to base/camp.

 

Hand loading would be an amazing aspect.

 

Build a base putting a reloading press inside go out collect parts supplies etc.

 

Build pipe bombs , ammo etc.

[gorvi 189]

Yeah.  I look at that storage room in the police station and think; that would be an awesome place for a reloading press.

[lipemr 160]

you dont really need a press to reload shotgun and regular pistol rounds, you can do it with a hammer and a little bit of care.

 

It's more risky than using a safe ammo reloader, but i dont think you'll care about danger of burning a bit of powder by accident when you're dying of starvation cause you cant find ammo to hunt.

 

BTW, you should find lead on car/truck batteries, in the big industries and so.

[thedogfoodyayho 295]

sadly the days of mil sulp for those calibers are over.

 

.303 british for example is all but gone. The surplus ammo has all but disappeared :(.

Same with 7.92x57 people that have that typically hand load.

Exept for 7.62x38, yeah. 

I've seen seven .303 every. They were laying on some table in a plastic bag with tons of AK and Stanag Mags around it, corroded, $15.

And i never see any new either.

I actually have seen Turkish 7.92 on a few occasions a few years back, but mostly i just see new stuff.

 

I'm having trouble finding 9mm Makarov and 7.62x25, mainly becuase very few stores carry it. Those that do (All of which are far from me) seem to have large stocks.

[Jezza93 44]

It's more an issue of finding magazines than the bullets to go in them.

[hells high 676]

I think its cool that you will actually have to look for the right kind of ammo.

[Katana67 2907]

I never meant any of those are prototypes. They are not extensively used at all and would NOT be in Chernarus, exept for maybe a few Dozen deagles. The ACR and FN57 are to expensive to be used widely Atm. Same for the ACR. While i MAY agree to it being at Helicopter crashes (If those are added) it really shouldn't. We don't need  BF/CoD level weapons just because they are good guns. The Majority wants less military weapons, to, and anyone who wants weapons to be At all realistic doesn't want QBZ's, as if chernarus wanted to use theses, or even Five-Sevens they would go bankrupt. They were still using Makarovs... something tells me they aren't going to sink money into these guns.

As for penetrating calibers, they probably use Tokarevs.

 

There are plenty of alternatives for extra calibers - .32 ACP, 7.62x38, 7.63x25, .303, 7.92x57 - All of which you will find 1000 of before a Lapua. (Which btw almost all the civilians in Chernarus would have to sell their shitty cabin to buy, and doesn't make much/any sense for military as again, $)

 

Honestly, to, if half the guns you want added were in, then the only people playing would be about 100thou PvPs and Kids -  No offence - thats what you want, even if i disagree i'm not going to start bashing you for it.

 

1. Most former Soviet nations and/or Eastern Europeans use NATO weaponry nowadays. From SCAR-L's in Serbia, to M4A3's and Mk 48's in the Czech Republic (the country upon which Chernarus is based), to HK416's in Slovakia, to G36's in the Baltic States.

 

See this - http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/181980-the-battle-rifle-thread/?p=1885077

 

And here's an image of Kenyan AF/LE using Mk 17's to emphasize the broadening scope of modern weaponry

 

 

Oh, and some Polish (former Warsaw Pact country) SF using brand spankin' new ACR's in Afghanistan.

 

 

 

And here's the MSBS Radon, slated to become the next Polish service rifle. Essentially a copy (at least aesthetically, I don't know much about the internals) and/or bullpup modification of an ACR.

 

 

 

2. Do not pretend to speak for a majority. Speak for yourself only, works better.

 

3. Reading real-world circumstances into Chernarus doesn't really apply. It's a fictional nation. In a fictional universe. With fictional circumstances applied to it. Nevermind that the UN and USMC intervened in Chernarus in said fiction (and neighboring Takistan also experienced a US Army intervention).

 

4. Even if one uses the "real world" as a gauge, the presence of a lot of NATO weaponry is commonplace. See above. Even in civilian gun shops, Torchia just tweeted a pic of a kitted out AR-10 in a shop in Prague. FiveseveN's aren't that rare either, no idea what you're on about there. Certainly no rarer than the Amphibia S.

 

5. Having "CoD-style" weapons, whatever the hell that means, wouldn't "increase" PvP. Rarity is the only thing that has an effect on PvP in terms of weapons. Not the "type of weapon".

Edited April 1, 2014 by Katana67

[over9000nukez 199]

im slightly worried, but i guess more ammo means itll be harder for you to find ammo for YOUR type of gun, which is nice.

[captainvette2112 84]

We need more guns for the calibers of ammo we already have.

 

They should be adding the AK and its variants since it shares the same 7.62x39 round as the SKS which is already in game

 

They should be adding the Dragunov or SV-98 since they share the 7.62x54R Mosin ammo already in game.  For that matter they should even add the Winchester level action 1895 since it shoots the 7.62x54 and was contract built for the Russians.  The RP-45 and PK light machine guns also use the 7.62x54R

 

What about the Sig Sauer 226 9mm?  A very famous European made 9mm.  Or the PP-2000 Russian made automatic 9mm, or even the 9mm AK variant the Vityaz-SN.

 

Hell even the new Russian AK-12 is coming in a NATO 5.56 version 

 

Anyway... you get my point 

[hellcat420 212]

nope