Loot grinding

[hutchthefreaker 49]

I think what your calling grinding I call playing the game. 

[mgc 92]

Hangers, ATC catwalk, and mesh covered barricades at tent areas.

Thnx.

 

I think what your calling grinding I call playing the game. 

You might be a workaholic. I understand what you mean to say, though.

[sess130 50]

I actually just jumped onto dayz and looted the hangers, hoping to find a RDS for my fnx...but i found a LRS instead. Yes, the loot with be semi-random but specific buildings will still have specific 'loot groups' (i.e. weapons in police stations). As long as you are looking in the right places, you'll eventually find one. As for the LRS: check hangers, ATC towers, barracks, and jail houses. These buildings spawn attachments often.

 

Edit: Don't forget to check the tents, once the devs enable those spawn again...

Edited April 1, 2014 by sess130

[smorisson28 6]

New player, here? I've heard of server-hopping, but what the hell is grinding? Can somebody explain it to me?

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

New player, here? I've heard of server-hopping, but what the hell is grinding? Can somebody explain it to me?

Grinding is a term used in video gaming to describe the process of engaging in repetitive tasks during video games.  The most common usage is in the context of MMORPGs in which it is often necessary for a character to repeatedly kill AI-controlled monsters, using basically the same strategy over and over again to advance their character level to be able to access newer content.

 

The OP is using the term very wrong which has been pointed out to him numerous times.

[Zeppa 562]

""To the car parts thing, again trading is the shortcut""

For trade to work, both items must have similar value. The only values are rarity, quantity and quality. All these suggest a time sink ("time sink" is part of my definition of a grind). If you were to make everything cheap, there wouldn't be much grinding required, but trade is not a shortcut time sink wise.

Not exactly.

Same item can have different value defined by every player, if you need something or like something you hold it for more value than someone else this with things you listed... Also you may not count the time sink for items that you have looted "along the way" so its not like the "grind" you make it to be.

Another mans trash is anothers treasure or what ever.

Thats the nice part without specific economy system forced by the devs.

Most likely after time, certains items will develop "common" trading value, but its not carved in stone ever.

Like said before. Games have scenarios and this game has one that drives towards authenticity and you just cant walk in to a Joe's Guns and get that scope. Seek for an trade or wish that you will come across one. Seek for authenticity doesnt allow the scenario you would like, markets restocked everyday and houses that look like they get cleaned, fridges stocked everyday and gun safes have the guns and ammo you want.

Again thats seems to be the main reason this aint the game for you and doesnt seems to be much to discuss about.

Edited April 1, 2014 by Zeppa

[mgc 92]

Grinding is a term used in video gaming to describe the process of engaging in repetitive tasks during video games.  The most common usage is in the context of MMORPGs in which it is often necessary for a character to repeatedly kill AI-controlled monsters, using basically the same strategy over and over again to advance their character level to be able to access newer content.

 

The OP is using the term very wrong which has been pointed out to him numerous times.

""using basically the same strategy over and over again to advance their character level to be able to access newer content.""

That's how I'm using it.

 

Not exactly.

Same item can have different value defined by every player, if you need something or like something you hold it for more value than someone else this with things you listed... Also you may not count the time sink for items that you have looted "along the way" so its not like the "grind" you make it to be.

Another mans trash is anothers treasure or what ever.

Thats the nice part without specific economy system forced by the devs.

Most likely after time, certains items will develop "common" trading value, but its not carved in stone ever.

Like said before. Games have scenarios and this game has one that drives towards authenticity and you just cant walk in to a Joe's Guns and get that scope. Seek for an trade or wish that you will come across one. Seek for authenticity doesnt allow the scenario you would like, markets restocked everyday and houses that look like they get cleaned, fridges stocked everyday and gun safes have the guns and ammo you want.

Again thats seems to be the main reason this aint the game for you and doesnt seems to be much to discuss about.

You assume to much.

[mgc 92]

I actually just jumped onto dayz and looted the hangers, hoping to find a RDS for my fnx...but i found a LRS instead. Yes, the loot with be semi-random but specific buildings will still have specific 'loot groups' (i.e. weapons in police stations). As long as you are looking in the right places, you'll eventually find one. As for the LRS: check hangers, ATC towers, barracks, and jail houses. These buildings spawn attachments often.

 

Edit: Don't forget to check the tents, once the devs enable those spawn again...

""barracks, and jail houses""

Are you sure about those 2?

[gibonez 3633]

I can't wait for the day that base building is added.

 

I will hoard the most useless items like collect 10k cans of rasputin soda.

[mgc 92]

I can't wait for the day that base building is added.

 

I will hoard the most useless items like collect 10k cans of rasputin soda.

I think munitions will make excellent currency.

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

""using basically the same strategy over and over again to advance their character level to be able to access newer content.""

That's how I'm using it.

:facepalm:

[mgc 92]

:facepalm:

What.

[sess130 50]

""barracks, and jail houses""

Are you sure about those 2?

Yes. Any building that spawns attachments (clips are considered attachments too) have a chance to spawn the LRS. I have personally found one in the barracks, tents (when it was enabled), and the hangers. However, the LRS is currently one of the rarest spawns in the game, along with ballistic vests.

[mgc 92]

Yes. Any building that spawns attachments (clips are considered attachments too) have a chance to spawn the LRS. I have personally found one in the barracks, tents (when it was enabled), and the hangers. However, the LRS is currently one of the rarest spawns in the game, along with ballistic vests.

Good, then I've been looking in the right place after all.

[Zeppa 562]

You assume to much.

Dont really think so, it happens on other games and real life so why not in this... its just basic evolution of things. If taken even further then when enough time has passed those bullets or what ever could become main currency through trading and everything has value that way and after that some values come more or less fixed, with the variable of individual persons mind of things.

Games and RL have currencies will get more and more inflated as time passes, when game/banks is dumping in more "money" and its value decreases. At beginning magazine for m4 could go for like 30 bullets, after year or two it will become 300. In a way, every item will become part of that currency.. only with differend value in it.

Currency needs to be common enough, if bullets are rare they wont really work as a currency.

 

 

""using basically the same strategy over and over again to advance their character level to be able to access newer content.""

That's how I'm using it.

You cant take it out of this context and use it like that in this game.

Your character cannot gain access to new content through grind. Everything is available to everyone any time in this game.

If first persons finds can opener first house he goes in to and second cant find it after 5 days its not grinding. Grinding needs to be some constant task to gain something specific with high propability.

It would be farming, if you just kill zeds to gain beans. If you character would get experience points and through that "level up" that would be grinding if you kill those zeds to gain that experience. Coming with new perks, skills etc on each level RPG etc stuff.

In dayz there is only this loot farming if you wish, when you go to certain spots to gain certain item. Dont know if that will change through loot system overhaul, but most likely this will possible to some end when certain items spawn in certain type of place. If everything can spawn everywhere you cant really farm anymore, but then again if some item has better change of spawning place x... you could farm that place. THEN again, item needs to be common enough to count as farming, if its fairly rare its just regular looting and playing..

But I think this is just nitpicking as I everyone knows what you mean :D

Edited April 1, 2014 by Zeppa

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

And after you collect 15 LRS's, you take them to the forge and combine them to make an LRS of Zombie Mutilation +15% crit  / +35 attack speed / +50% crit on aimed shot  

[mgc 92]

Dont really think so, it happens on other games and real life so why not in this... its just basic evolution of things. If taken even further then when enough time has passed those bullets or what ever could become main currency through trading and everything has value that way and after that some values come more or less fixed, with the variable of individual persons mind of things.

Games and RL have currencies will get more and more inflated as time passes, when game/banks is dumping in more "money" and its value decreases. At beginning magazine for m4 could go for like 30 bullets, after year or two it will become 300. In a way, every item will become part of that currency.. only with differend value in it.

Currency needs to be common enough, if bullets are rare they wont really work as a currency.

 

 

You cant take it out of this context and use it like that in this game.

Your character cannot gain access to new content through grind. Everything is available to everyone any time in this game.

If first persons finds can opener first house he goes in to and second cant find it after 5 days its not grinding. Grinding needs to be some constant task to gain something specific with high propability.

It would be farming, if you just kill zeds to gain beans. If you character would get experience points and through that "level up" that would be grinding if you kill those zeds to gain that experience. Coming with new perks, skills etc on each level RPG etc stuff.

In dayz there is only this loot farming if you wish, when you go to certain spots to gain certain item. Dont know if that will change through loot system overhaul, but most likely this will possible to some end when certain items spawn in certain type of place. If everything can spawn everywhere you cant really farm anymore, but then again if some item has better change of spawning place x... you could farm that place. THEN again, item needs to be common enough to count as farming, if its fairly rare its just regular looting and playing..

But I think this is just nitpicking as I everyone knows what you mean :D

You assumed to much when you were talking about how you think I want the game to be.

You're pretty much on the money when it comes to trade. Pun intended.

However, if basic necessities such as lrs are going to be expensive, that will increase the need to loot.

 

""Your character cannot gain access to new content through grind.""

I can gain access to the lrs (the next level) by using the same strategy over and over. That there is no fixed point at which I will get the item is a minor detail.

[skypig 139]

to me it's not a grind at all.. it's a scavenger hunt, I have a list of items that I 'need' and the rest is extra. at the moment I'm playing Nice Guy and dropping open cans of food/water for freshies. I won't carry a rifle or m4 because most people associate players along the coast with those weapons as bandits or assholes.. so I keep a sawed off 12 or a pistol in my pack as defense.

the only time it's been a grind is finding a damn clip! it's the only time I've really server hopped trying to find one.

[Zeppa 562]

You assumed to much when you were talking about how you think I want the game to be.

You're pretty much on the money when it comes to trade. Pun intended.

However, if basic necessities such as lrs are going to be expensive, that will increase the need to loot.

 

""Your character cannot gain access to new content through grind.""

I can gain access to the lrs (the next level) by using the same strategy over and over. That there is no fixed point at which I will get the item is a minor detail.

Why would you be complaining about the loot then or the grind you make it to be?

This is why I think its fair to assume that you dont like it and something else suits you better than this.. as you have problem with it and it wont change.

True if something is expensive it will increase the need to loot to gain currency if you want the item, but it doesnt make it grind. If you farm much to gain that loot then its only "grindy" to you. Basic necessarity is the iron sight.

"I can gain access to the lrs (the next level) by using the same strategy over and over."

Grind would be if the LSR only spaws to the world after you do the "by using the same strategy over and over." part to a certain point.

Ie. Loot 100 houses and the LRS is spawned there.

In dayz, You dont gain access to LRS, you already have access. What you dont have is the item itself. The random is huge factor.

I think you have gotten and understood the point already. :D 

ps. Im off, if I dont get huge urges to reply to something. :ph34r: 

 

Edited April 1, 2014 by Zeppa

[AzrailCross 48]

You know, I may have missed something while I was asleep but I don't think my post was ever addressed: not that I feel ignored.. :sad face:

 

But still the point remains that I'm wondering what your answer would be; why is it a grind? Why do you feel a need -to- grind for EVERYTHING? Or more specifically why are you grinding for -anything-? 

 

Finding a random pistol, double-rifle, shotgun or the like is a 10-15 minute adventure in most cases, can usually find one within searching two towns or even more commonly only searching farm houses, police stations, firehouses, military structures and storage units and with that in mind, once you have any ONE of the easiest to find guns with a few shots of ammo *EVEN* if your wearing nothing at all but a childs carrybag with rags and a stick your now as dangerous as someone with a m4 in camo and 'everything' else, so why does it matter if you have a fully modified out pristine M4 with crates and extra everything under the sun, there isn't a REASON to be that decked out. 

 

Obtaining the simple; possessing a few rags and a stick or two with a little food and a few cans of soda with any gun at all and your as well off as you can be really. Of course having your favorite scope might feel more comfortable to use, but it's not really going to make the difference of life or death if you just learn to cope with what you have like you generally have to in a survival situation, the only real exception is your trying to be a sniper which isn't something anyone NEEDS but rather is more something select people 'want' so they are safer to KOS or in rarer instances support their friends from afar.

 

So with that in mind; how is it a grind at all when obtaining the basics is a rather short 10-15 minute experience and everything AFTER that is just comforting giving you some padding before you 'need' to find food/water or 'need' to find ammo. Having specific cloths, mods, a bigger backpack, sunglasses, crates, compass, bandages instead of rags.. all these things are just comfort items that aren't going really make a difference.

[mgc 92]

You know, I may have missed something while I was asleep but I don't think my post was ever addressed: not that I feel ignored.. :sad face:

 

But still the point remains that I'm wondering what your answer would be; why is it a grind? Why do you feel a need -to- grind for EVERYTHING? Or more specifically why are you grinding for -anything-? 

 

Finding a random pistol, double-rifle, shotgun or the like is a 10-15 minute adventure in most cases, can usually find one within searching two towns or even more commonly only searching farm houses, police stations, firehouses, military structures and storage units and with that in mind, once you have any ONE of the easiest to find guns with a few shots of ammo *EVEN* if your wearing nothing at all but a childs carrybag with rags and a stick your now as dangerous as someone with a m4 in camo and 'everything' else, so why does it matter if you have a fully modified out pristine M4 with crates and extra everything under the sun, there isn't a REASON to be that decked out. 

 

Obtaining the simple; possessing a few rags and a stick or two with a little food and a few cans of soda with any gun at all and your as well off as you can be really. Of course having your favorite scope might feel more comfortable to use, but it's not really going to make the difference of life or death if you just learn to cope with what you have like you generally have to in a survival situation, the only real exception is your trying to be a sniper which isn't something anyone NEEDS but rather is more something select people 'want' so they are safer to KOS or in rarer instances support their friends from afar.

 

So with that in mind; how is it a grind at all when obtaining the basics is a rather short 10-15 minute experience and everything AFTER that is just comforting giving you some padding before you 'need' to find food/water or 'need' to find ammo. Having specific cloths, mods, a bigger backpack, sunglasses, crates, compass, bandages instead of rags.. all these things are just comfort items that aren't going really make a difference.

Sorry you got ignored.

I "need" long range vision to give me a decent chance against those that already have it. I need to get rid of this blindfold that is not having a decent scope.

[mgc 92]

to me it's not a grind at all.. it's a scavenger hunt, I have a list of items that I 'need' and the rest is extra. at the moment I'm playing Nice Guy and dropping open cans of food/water for freshies. I won't carry a rifle or m4 because most people associate players along the coast with those weapons as bandits or assholes.. so I keep a sawed off 12 or a pistol in my pack as defense.

the only time it's been a grind is finding a damn clip! it's the only time I've really server hopped trying to find one.

At what point did finding that clip become a grind rather than a scavenger hunt? How many hours did you look for it legit?

[Jex 1104]

WAIT!!!

 

Are people saying that in  a zombie apocalypse, where death could only be around the corner, where access to medicines, clean water and foods is severely limited that they don't want to be scavenging the countryside for supplies so they can live?

 

Why the fuck are you playing a zombie apocalypse game then where the premise is survival and having to scavenge?

 

edit: Oh FUCK ME why can't I just play chess exactly the same em way I play scrabble? Why isn't my car able to get cable?? These shoes don't keep my hands very warm and and sandpaper hurts when i use it to wipe my ass!! WAAAWAAAWAAA

Edited April 1, 2014 by Jexter

[mgc 92]

WAIT!!!

 

Are people saying that in  a zombie apocalypse, where death could only be around the corner, where access to medicines, clean water and foods is severely limited that they don't want to be scavenging the countryside for supplies so they can live?

 

Why the fuck are you playing a zombie apocalypse game then where the premise is survival and having to scavenge?

 

edit: Oh FUCK ME why can't I just play chess exactly the same em way I play scrabble? Why isn't my car able to get cable?? These shoes don't keep my hands very warm and and sandpaper hurts when i use it to wipe my ass!! WAAAWAAAWAAA

People are saying what they are saying. You can opt to read what they are saying and respond with content.

[Jex 1104]

People are saying what they are saying. You can opt to read what they are saying and respond with content.

 

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