Maybe 1st person is more friendly.

[StoutAle 69]

  I play both HC and Normal, I have been saying that HC is more friendly.  I have never had an attempted robbery on a HC server.  People do it on 3pp servers because they can stand behind a wall and act like they have you in there sights.  They "see" you without actually having any risk of being shot hoping you don't realize that.  People can see around corners and doors without any risk.  They know that no one is behind that fence because they see over it when it's 2 feet taller then they are.  3pp takes all the risk out of playing because you can see before you do.  Yes, so can everyone else, that doesn't take away the fact you can do things that should put you at risk without having any of the risk.

 

  That said I understand the motion sickness part, it kicked my ass to start before I got the settings right.  Because of this 3pp is needed, some people simply can't play in first person without getting sick.  Other then that I wish 3pp would go away.  You want to see me, stick your head around the corner and look for me stop being a pansy.

[Brethren Develain 4]

 My friends and I play strictly on hardcore servers just because we did not like the magical ability to look around corners and such. I can echo what others have said earlier about just stumbling into people on hardcore servers. It adds a real shock factor and lots of interaction. I would say half of my encounters in hardcore end up in a gun fight... even between groups of survivors because of misunderstandings and such. But I have been able to trade ammo, food and drink and guns without either side turning on the other. (I always have a wingman so it may be that they are dissuaded from being hostile when they are out gunned) 

As for 3rd person view my only experence is watching video casters like frankie and co. so I cant say if it is more hostile or not.

Sidenote: Even though 1st person servers seem to be lower population we have not suffered from a lack of interaction. We try to stay inland and head to the NEAF as that place is almost always hopping. I was on the Bolata Book Exchange server earlier today and there were a grand total of 4 of us on. And guess what... every last one of us were there! It is a common joke with my group that based on our experience many people like us try to stick to the outskirts thinking the NWAF, Elektro and such is where the action would be... but nope... the new cities and NEAF always has something going on even on low pop servers it seems.

[Ineedscoffee 464]

People in general need to stop this bullshit opinion, that only children play third person, and that first person is harder. It's not. Plain and simple. They each offer the same level of difficulty.

I play both, because I refuse to restrict myself to a single option.

Sure, third person has the camera advantage. Guess what, you can use the same camera to defend against someone using it. Big shock there right? It's like everyone forgot using it as defense is possible. Because of this widely available camera view, every single third person layer is required to adapt, overcome, and stay on their toes. Several have become quite skilled at employing it for both the offensive, and the defensive.

Now on the other side of the elitist toast

First person servers. It's a slowed down, patient mans game if chess. You cannot twirl the camera around to see who's on your six, so you take things slower. You ascess all situations with far more care. Your targets also lack the available camera. They to suffer being able to use "the magical periscope" also. You both adapt, you both develop certain skills to handle your encounters.

Just like those on third person.

First players, you waltz into a third server without using the camera, your dead. Thirds, you step into a first, and go balls to the wall, your dead.

It's all that simple. Cut the crap

[solodude23 649]

People in general need to stop this bullshit opinion, that only children play third person, and that first person is harder. It's not. Plain and simple. They each offer the same level of difficulty.

My postings have nothing to do with opinion and all to do with experience. In my experience, I have encountered a single child on hardcore and it's all I play these days. That's not to say they don't exist in greater numbers, but they surely seem more rare. Of course hardcore isn't harder, but it is hard for people to adjust to the fact that can't see around walls and fences. It surely was a hard transition for me and I felt VERY vulnerable in the beginning. It even made me want to go back to my "safety bubble" of 3PP but I didn't and I'm glad.

 

I play both, because I refuse to restrict myself to a single option.

I'm glad that works for you, but I don't like 3PP so I happily "restrict" myself to 1PP. 

 

Sure, third person has the camera advantage. Guess what, you can use the same camera to defend against someone using it. Big shock there right? It's like everyone forgot using it as defense is possible. Because of this widely available camera view, every single third person layer is required to adapt, overcome, and stay on their toes. Several have become quite skilled at employing it for both the offensive, and the defensive.

I guarantee you that everyone that is against 3PP is well aware that you can use the camera defensively. If you want to survive beyond your first interaction, you HAVE to use it defensively. That's besides the point. Back when I played 3PP it felt as though every firefight/encounter surrounded the use of 3PP, offensively and defensively, and it felt just silly to me. It destroyed the mechanics of firefights. I don't want to have to use it defensively. (Which isn't an issue for me due to 1PP servers)

 

Not to mention holding people up from behind walls and confronting people through walls for safety. That wall of safety isn't there in 1PP. 

 

Now on the other side of the elitist toast

First person servers. It's a slowed down, patient mans game if chess. You cannot twirl the camera around to see who's on your six, so you take things slower. You ascess all situations with far more care. Your targets also lack the available camera. They to suffer being able to use "the magical periscope" also. You both adapt, you both develop certain skills to handle your encounters.

I totally agree and I love what this brings to combat! It's tense, immersive, tactical, and dang confusing. lol.

 

Just like those on third person.

You sort of lost me here.  I do agree that both require the development of certain skills, but 3PP combat is nothing like 1PP combat. There's still a large difference between the two despite which version is better in people's opinions.

 

First players, you waltz into a third server without using the camera, your dead. Thirds, you step into a first, and go balls to the wall, your dead.

It's all that simple. Cut the crap

That pretty much sums up the difference that makes me enjoy 1PP much more. 3PP is based on the skilled use of said "magical periscope" while 1PP relies on tactics, line of sight, and careful decisions. I understand that playing more tactically benefits the players on both versions, but moving tactical is much more rewarding when you know that know one is looking at you from around a corner. Having to expose yourself to scout an area changes the game dramatically (and seems to reduce KOS by loads)

 

I do, however, get that 3PP can be a fun, more relaxed, version of the game that appeals to many and that's just fine by me!  :)

Edited April 1, 2014 by solodude23

[StoutAle 69]

People in general need to stop this bullshit opinion, that only children play third person, and that first person is harder. It's not. Plain and simple. They each offer the same level of difficulty.

I play both, because I refuse to restrict myself to a single option.

Sure, third person has the camera advantage. Guess what, you can use the same camera to defend against someone using it. Big shock there right? It's like everyone forgot using it as defense is possible. Because of this widely available camera view, every single third person layer is required to adapt, overcome, and stay on their toes. Several have become quite skilled at employing it for both the offensive, and the defensive.

Now on the other side of the elitist toast

First person servers. It's a slowed down, patient mans game if chess. You cannot twirl the camera around to see who's on your six, so you take things slower. You ascess all situations with far more care. Your targets also lack the available camera. They to suffer being able to use "the magical periscope" also. You both adapt, you both develop certain skills to handle your encounters.

Just like those on third person.

First players, you waltz into a third server without using the camera, your dead. Thirds, you step into a first, and go balls to the wall, your dead.

It's all that simple. Cut the crap

 

 

This would be fine, if it was right, unfortunately it's wrong.  You can't "take it slow" to clear a room in first person, at some point your only choice is stick your head around the corner.  Someone in there watching that door has you and there isn't a thing you can do about it.  The huge difference is in 3pp you can't avoid a dangerous situation, every corner, ever room every turn is dangerous.  You can't simply "use care" as you want to say because again at some point you have to expose your character around a corner in the hopes someone isn't there.  3rd person doesn't ever make you do that, meaning first person is more dangerous/difficult. 

 

I also play both servers (HC is my solo Normal is with friends who are to pansy to play with dangers) so I understand what you are saying, in both servers everyone faces the same pros and cons, your absolutely right there.  Your wrong in "use caution" because all the caution in the world can't make it safe to go around a blind corner.  You say if you go ball to the wall in first person your dead, that's right, but what you don't say is even being careful you have to stick your head around a corner, in a room or up a ladder while your defenseless and someone could be there.  In 3pp everyone is equal, they can all look around anything.  In first person you can have defenses waiting on someone to come around a corner, up a ladder or through a door.  That's a huge difference that simply can't be discounted with "use caution".

 

Edited because I typed so many 1st's and 3rds I confused myself thanks Solodude23

Edited April 1, 2014 by StoutAle

[solodude23 649]

/\ Great points, but I think the last sentence of your first paragraph has a typo.  ;)

[Jex 1104]

I have found hardcore to be more friendly overall and I have two theories why.

 

1 - children prefer 3pp. I have never run into little kids on hardcore, and in my experience kids are more likely to shoot you on sight then talk trash over direct because you didn't see them first while they were hiding behind a doorway using the magic periscope to see you.

2 - role players prefer 1pp. If you are genuinely treating this game as an immersive survival game you will not be using the magic periscope. If you're not using it you don't want it used against you so you play hardcore. This type of player is more likely to work together.

Experimental servers are also friendlier than regular, because they require you to actually click 2 buttons to opt in so that filters out so many cod bozos. On experimental hardcore I'd say that the vast majority of my interactions, even while geared and armed, were friendly. I've even traded ammo and weapons with groups of people and no one started shooting as soon as the others turned their backs.

 

3rd person is also very obviously easier because it basically removes the need to actually understand tactical positioning or have any situational awareness. If you aren't sure how visible you are at any time just go to magic periscope, hold alt, and scout your own position. Once you're satisfied just camp, using the magic periscope to see others without exposing yourself. On this note I don't think that 1pp players are necessarily any more skilled, but I do think that bad players gravitate toward 3pp. Since there are so many more 3pp players it's hard to say which group is more skilled on average though. It's possible that many good players play 3pp just to gank the bad players that invariably play 3pp.

 

Strange - The only friendly person I ran into on 3rdPP was a 12 year old lol.

 

I agree with your points about 3pp and cannot get with the logic how 3pp is harder - still waiting for the argument supporting that theory :)

[Jex 1104]

  That said I understand the motion sickness part, it kicked my ass to start before I got the settings right.  Because of this 3pp is needed, some people simply can't play in first person without getting sick.  Other then that I wish 3pp would go away.  You want to see me, stick your head around the corner and look for me stop being a pansy.

 

OK i'm just going to come out and say that this motion sickness parts is a red herring for the most part (I'll explain why in a bit) and is a bullshit excuse people are using. Most people don't get it and why have we never heard of this issue for the last 20 years we've had first person shooters. You can adjust the FOV massively and Total Biscuit has motion sickness issues but it seems as long as there's a slider, he's happy (and dayz goes way over the angle he likes too). So, the motion sickness can be fixed by adjusting your FOV.

 

Now that being said, it doesn't help if your frame rates suck which mine do. I don't get motion sickness playing games unless I whitey out from smoking too much marijuana but in Dayz, once I get into a city I have to look at the floor or I start feeling sick after a few minutes. FOV in this case won't work but 3rd person helps because I can fix on my av. Even looking at the road in 1st person is nauseating - try it for a few minutes. When u have a motionless point to fix on it helps.

 

Nb: I know people do suffer motion sickness playing games so I'm not saying they're making excuses but  I think some people are using it as an excuse otherwise it's just happens on dayz OR suddenly we have a mass of gamers that get motion sickness. How many people play COD of BF4 with no issues?

Edited April 1, 2014 by Jexter

[Weedz 1105]

OK i'm just going to come out and say that this motion sickness parts is a red herring for the most part (I'll explain why in a bit) and is a bullshit excuse people are using. Most people don't get it and why have we never heard of this issue for the last 20 years we've had first person shooters. You can adjust the FOV massively and Total Biscuit has motion sickness issues but it seems as long as there's a slider, he's happy (and dayz goes way over the angle he likes too). So, the motion sickness can be fixed by adjusting your FOV.

 

Now that being said, it doesn't help if your frame rates suck which mine do. I don't get motion sickness playing games unless I whitey out from smoking too much marijuana but in Dayz, once I get into a city I have to look at the floor or I start feeling sick after a few minutes. FOV in this case won't work but 3rd person helps because I can fix on my av. Even looking at the road in 1st person is nauseating - try it for a few minutes. When u have a motionless point to fix on it helps.

 

Nb: I know people do suffer motion sickness playing games so I'm not saying they're making excuses but  I think some people are using it as an excuse otherwise it's just happens on dayz OR suddenly we have a mass of gamers that get motion sickness. How many people play COD of BF4 with no issues?

LolWut? Motion sickness has nothing to do with FoV or FPS it has to do with head bob and not being able to turn it off all the way like you can in most games. I can't play in 1pp for more than like 35 minutes in this game or I will literally throw up on my keyboard.

 

.... hence the name Motion sickness

Edited April 1, 2014 by Weedz

[Jex 1104]

 My friends and I play strictly on hardcore servers just because we did not like the magical ability to look around corners and such. I can echo what others have said earlier about just stumbling into people on hardcore servers. It adds a real shock factor and lots of interaction. I would say half of my encounters in hardcore end up in a gun fight... even between groups of survivors because of misunderstandings and such. But I have been able to trade ammo, food and drink and guns without either side turning on the other. (I always have a wingman so it may be that they are dissuaded from being hostile when they are out gunned) 

As for 3rd person view my only experence is watching video casters like frankie and co. so I cant say if it is more hostile or not.

Sidenote: Even though 1st person servers seem to be lower population we have not suffered from a lack of interaction. We try to stay inland and head to the NEAF as that place is almost always hopping. I was on the Bolata Book Exchange server earlier today and there were a grand total of 4 of us on. And guess what... every last one of us were there! It is a common joke with my group that based on our experience many people like us try to stick to the outskirts thinking the NWAF, Elektro and such is where the action would be... but nope... the new cities and NEAF always has something going on even on low pop servers it seems.

 

LOL maybe everyone avoids NW thinking everyone else is up there.

 

Frankie and most other YT'ers play on 3rd person servers (obviously it makes for better footage) so it's hard to tell what's going on. All I know if that on 1st Person, the change was obvious to me. I was running around in the open, expecting to get shot or have anyone I met shoot me and it just didn't happen. Tried similar on 3pp and literally have died every time.

 

Of course, if 1st person was the only option, this wouldn't even be up for debate.

[Hrki 94]

idk why you hate 3pp because you play "fair" omfg you have same options like your "enemy" you can also move your camera and set up field of view but you dont use it so dont say its bad or its not fair YOU HAVE OPTION ITS MEAN TO BE PLAY (exept wall hacking)

[Jex 1104]

People in general need to stop this bullshit opinion, that only children play third person, and that first person is harder. It's not. Plain and simple. They each offer the same level of difficulty.

I play both, because I refuse to restrict myself to a single option.

Sure, third person has the camera advantage. Guess what, you can use the same camera to defend against someone using it. Big shock there right? It's like everyone forgot using it as defense is possible. Because of this widely available camera view, every single third person layer is required to adapt, overcome, and stay on their toes. Several have become quite skilled at employing it for both the offensive, and the defensive.

Now on the other side of the elitist toast

First person servers. It's a slowed down, patient mans game if chess. You cannot twirl the camera around to see who's on your six, so you take things slower. You ascess all situations with far more care. Your targets also lack the available camera. They to suffer being able to use "the magical periscope" also. You both adapt, you both develop certain skills to handle your encounters.

Just like those on third person.

First players, you waltz into a third server without using the camera, your dead. Thirds, you step into a first, and go balls to the wall, your dead.

It's all that simple. Cut the crap

 

Nope I'm not having this at all.

 

Please explain how 3rd person is just as easy. Cite an example of some play through and then argue how they are the same level of difficulty. I'll give you two

 

1) ur on a roof I'm on the ground - please tell me how I am going to equalise the advantage you claim we both have access to.

 

2) you're in 3pp and I'm in 1pp. We're having a race to get from one side of the city to the other but if a zed sees us we lose - who has the advantage here - which one has it easier?

[Jex 1104]

LolWut? Motion sickness has nothing to do with FoV or FPS it has to do with head bob and not being able to turn it off all the way like you can in most games. I can't play in 1pp for more than like 35 minutes in this game or I will literally throw up on my keyboard.

 

.... hence the name Motion sickness

 

Nope FOV affects people with motion sickness too, like I just said about total biscuit and what head bob? Turning it off for me makes it so minute I couldn't tell u if my head actually bobs or my screen is stable without going to check. I also said that people do get motion sickness so my post wasn't even directed at people like you - did you even read it?

[Tmar09 19]

You want to see the difference in 1pp and 3pp, simply go to the school and make your way to the 3rd floor in first person without the aid of seeing what is waiting for you in the "weapon" room. In 3rd person you can readily see who is in the room from the 2nd floor while in 1st you cannot and if you are human, i guarantee your heart-rate increases in 1st person compared to 3rd.Third person simply takes SOME skill out of the game and evens the playing field to the lesser skilled side; dont condemn me for the truth. First person takes more courage to stick your head around the corner as well as forces you to be more tactful.

The argument over which is better is purely which ever one gives you the player the most enjoyment.

Edited April 1, 2014 by Tmar09

[Jex 1104]

You want to see the difference in 1pp and 3pp, simply go to the school and make your way to the 3rd floor in first person without the aid of seeing what is waiting for you in the "weapon" room. In 3rd person you can readily see who is in the room while in 1st you cannot and if you are human, i guarantee your heart-rate increases in 1st person compared to 3rd.Third person simply takes SOME skill out of the game and evens the playing field to the lesser skilled side; dont condemn me for the truth. First person takes more courage to stick your head around the corner as well as forces you to be more tactful.

The argument over which is better is purely which ever one gives you the player the most enjoyment.

 

And that argument isn't worth having because people like what they like. We can however demonstrably prove that 3rd person is easier. I think the "harder" argument stems from where one person is camping and looking at an area making it "harder" for another player to go through it. What they fail to realise is that it makes it way easier for the camper, massively easier.

 

1st person takes more effort which is why people like 3pp more. They don't have to waste time playing the game so they can get on with what they want to do.

[Tmar09 19]

And that argument isn't worth having because people like what they like. We can however demonstrably prove that 3rd person is easier. I think the "harder" argument stems from where one person is camping and looking at an area making it "harder" for another player to go through it. What they fail to realise is that it makes it way easier for the camper, massively easier.

 

1st person takes more effort which is why people like 3pp more. They don't have to waste time playing the game so they can get on with what they want to do.

I never said 3pp wasn't easier, i actually agreed that it was by the example i gave. I am just stating that we all bought the game for enjoyment and if either one gives you more enjoyment, by all means play that one.

[Weedz 1105]

I never said 3pp wasn't easier, i actually agreed that it was by the example i gave. I am just stating that we all bought the game for enjoyment and if either one gives you more enjoyment, by all means play that one.

The enjoyment from this game is supposed to come from how hard it is ... not from being able to exploit 3pp to make the game as easy as possible.

Edited April 1, 2014 by Weedz

[Tmar09 19]

The enjoyment from this game is supposed to come from how hard it is ... not from being able to exploit 3pp to make the game as easy as possible.

That's true for me and a crapload of others that play for the survival aspect (mountain man asap), but not to all; besides its their dime they can enjoy it how they will. As the game improves and things are added, survival over CoD style deathmatches HOPEFULLY will prevail as the mainstay of the game.

[joe_mcentire 2074]

The enjoyment from this game is supposed to come from how hard it is ... not from being able to exploit 3pp to make the game as easy as possible.

oh c'mon...

[Jex 1104]

I never said 3pp wasn't easier, i actually agreed that it was by the example i gave. I am just stating that we all bought the game for enjoyment and if either one gives you more enjoyment, by all means play that one.

 

There seems to be a general trend that 3pp is harder than 1pp - I'm trying to dispel this myth at every opportunity ;)

[Ineedscoffee 464]

There seems to be a general trend that 3pp is harder than 1pp - I'm trying to dispel this myth at every opportunity ;)

 

 

what ive been trying to sink into everyones skulls, is they are of equal difficulty in their own right. no one style is better nor harder, then the other. they each present certain challenges, advantages, etc.

[Jex 1104]

what ive been trying to sink into everyones skulls, is they are of equal difficulty in their own right. no one style is better nor harder, then the other. they each present certain challenges, advantages, etc.

 

I see what you're saying and to a degree that is correct however, in a 3pp server what you can eliminate is risk. Without ever have to move from your safe spot you can just sit and wait for people to come by, watching with impunity. In 1pp you cannot do that. You have to physically look over things and around things and thus take a risk of being seen which now means you have to think about your positioning to get a tactical vantage point.

 

Take the KOS'er who sits tucked behind a wall or on a roof top, completely invisible and unable to be discovered, using the height advantage of his camera to scan the surrounding area for someone to shoot. When he spots a victim, he tracks him via this method, completely safe. When the victim stops with his back towards the KOS'er, that's when the coward strikes and shoots the guy in the back. Now go through that scenario in 1st person - you already know that it is significantly harder.

 

Since a lot of players are just scavenging for loot and not hunting other players, the tables are massively in the favour of the hunter who only needs to get into a position and then camp. If he engages a player in close range, say the newbie is unarmed and flees, the newbie can't even run away because the magical eye-in-the-sky is up there keeping tabs on everything. In first person, running through buildings and dodging around walls makes it possible to get away but it also makes it possible to get yourself cornered. Also, the chaser has to think about the walls he's running around after the guy, did he stop around that wall and is about to punch me? Is there someone else with a gun?

 

All the tension and tactics disappear when you give yourself a camera in the sky (Effectively a crutch). On 3pp all the advantage goes to the guy hiding and he gets a free ticket for camping (something I'll remind you all that is considered one of the lowest things to do in a first person shooter game however in those, both parties are restricted to first person.

 

I'll ask anyone this challenge: Name me one action (other than aiming) that is harder to do in 3rd Person View over First Person View.