AKM

[Gen_Boom 1]

We're AKM supposed to be part of update or no?

 

I havent found one but I have seen the other pistols.

 

Thanks

[Forrelist 236]

Hi,

 

The AKM is currently in the works for a future update

 

:)

[IkaikaKekai 1957]

Nope, was not in the patch notes, in fact if I remember correctly they said the AKM was still being worked on but 'almost' ready.  So it might be in the NEXT update, but only time and patchnotes will tell.

[Gen_Boom 1]

Oh, ok perfect. Thanks guys for the quick reply. :D

[enforcer1975 1111]

If i remember right the majority of the guns are western...again?

[Leo Balzac 190]

We're AKM supposed to be part of update or no?

 

I havent found one but I have seen the other pistols.

 

Thanks

 You and who are an AKM?

[applejaxc 2500]

I can't wait; the AKM was my 100% favorite assault rifle in the mod, and probably all of ArmA 2.

[LimeMobber 47]

It will be interesting to see how the AKM operates. It should be less accurate than the M4 but if you do that then it will be even less accurate than the shotgun considering how bad the accuracy is on a basic spawned M4 is.

[gibonez 3633]

It will be interesting to see how the AKM operates. It should be less accurate than the M4 but if you do that then it will be even less accurate than the shotgun considering how bad the accuracy is on a basic spawned M4 is.

 

Aks are quite accurate.

 

Ak74s and ak 47s are more accurate than a mosin nagant .

 

ak74 is around 2.5-3 moa

 

Mosin - 4+ moa.

 

meanwhile a civilian ar 15 can be sub moa

 

military issue m4s are apparently around 2 moa.

Edited March 20, 2014 by gibonez

[taco86 156]

military issue m4s are apparently around 2 moa.

1-2 MOA seems to be the go to average using m855 5.56.  As you said, civilian full length "SPR" floating barrel ar15s are known to shoot  close to .5 moa with match grade barrels and ammo.  The mk12 SPR is essentially your "mil spec" equivalent.

[kaix12 34]

me too

[kaix12 34]

Aks are quite accurate.

 

Ak74s and ak 47s are more accurate than a mosin nagant .

 

ak74 is around 2.5-3 moa

 

Mosin - 4+ moa.

 

meanwhile a civilian ar 15 can be sub moa

 

military issue m4s are apparently around 2 moa.

 

No... Just no... While I love the AKM, it is in no way more accurate than the Mosin, I know you hate that rifle, but my good they aren't all POS, if they were all less accurate than AKM's by that much, then the Russian snipers wouldn't of hit barely as many germans as they did, and they soviets would of fitted all their AK 47's with scopes and replaced the Mosin a lot earlier than the 1960's. I admit some are not as accurate, but in no way are they all...

Edited March 20, 2014 by Kaxii

[gibonez 3633]

No... Just no... While I love the AKM, it is in no way more accurate than the Mosin, I know you hate that rifle, but my good they aren't all POS, if they were all less accurate than AKM's by that much, then the Russian snipers wouldn't of hit barely as many germans as they did, and they soviets would of fitted all their AK 47's with scopes and replaced the Mosin a lot earlier than the 1960's. I admit some are not as accurate, but in no way are they all...

 

I don't hate the rifle.

 

It is just the truth.

 

Go online and see what the average groupings are for people who shoot stock mosins with surplus ammo.

 

Most are 4 inch groups + at 100 yards.

This is probably because mosin ammo is so corrosive. Ruining the rifling.

As far as the russian sniper remember the gun might have been accurate back in 1944 when it was re manufactured but in 2014 time has taken its toll on the weapon and the rifling is probably ruined and the crown cracked.

 

Don't base ww2 reported (Soviet propaganda) with modern day proven accuracy.

 

 

Meanwhile a high quality ak will group substantially smaller groups.

Edited March 20, 2014 by gibonez

[Babydinosaurawr 3]

Remember that the mosin is over a hundred years old. even if it was a reissue it'd still be a century old design. the AKM is 50 years or something so of course they're improved. A mosin would still be more accurate, but not as much as you'd think.

[kaix12 34]

I don't hate the rifle.

 

It is just the truth.

 

Go online and see what the average groupings are for people who shoot stock mosins with surplus ammo.

 

Most are 4 inch groups + at 100 yards.

This is probably because mosin ammo is so corrosive. Ruining the rifling.

As far as the russian sniper remember the gun might have been accurate back in 1944 when it was re manufactured but in 2014 time has taken its toll on the weapon and the rifling is probably ruined and the crown cracked.

 

Don't base ww2 reported (Soviet propaganda) with modern day proven accuracy.

 

 

Meanwhile a high quality ak will group substantially smaller groups.

 

yes, but not all have been in use continually from WW2, some weren't even fired in anger and where put nearly immediately into storage after WW2! So yes a high quality AK will have smaller groups than a bad Mosin, but a high quality Mosin will have better accuracy than a high quality AK, even if it's not by that much, it should still be more accurate, and not all Mosins are over 100 years old, some will only be 70 at most, so Mosins aren't all in accurate, as yes I have been online and some have been getting terrible groupings, but just as many have been getting very good groupings, and even some of the bad ones can be fixed by a bit of shimming. So it depends on the gun, and I guess there are more bad qaulity AK's than Mosins due to their high use in modern day conflicts and it is usually the same rifles in those conflict going from one to another across the black market.

[gibonez 3633]

Remember that the mosin is over a hundred years old. even if it was a reissue it'd still be a century old design. the AKM is 50 years or something so of course they're improved. A mosin would still be more accurate, but not as much as you'd think.

 

Remember that the mosin is over a hundred years old. even if it was a reissue it'd still be a century old design. the AKM is 50 years or something so of course they're improved. A mosin would still be more accurate, but not as much as you'd think.

 

 

A bone stock mosin is not an accurate weapon.

 

The only reason it has gained so much praise world wide is because its reliable and more importantly it is super cheap and cheap to shoot.

 

Mosins are not tact drivers give me a bone stock mosin and any modern manufactured akm. I can paint far smaller groups with the akm.

 

Mosins are just inherently inaccurate, everything from the bad stock that causes pressure points on the barrel to the miss matched parts that is the case with 9/10 mosins you see where different parts from different mosins have been put together and they don't quite fit right.

 

Even the surplus ammo you find contributes to the poor accuracy of mosins the steel cased ammo doesnt always fully expand inside the gun and you have extreme variances in muzzle velocity. Even with ammo in the same batch.

 

A good mosin I mean a perfect pristine mosin would group 3 inches at 100 yards.

 

Your average non modified stock mosin will paint much bigger groups 4-5 inch range at the same distance.

 

I honestly do not understand where this myth of mosins being elite sniper rifles that can hit a dime at 1000 yards comes from. No self respecting Military would arm their troops with mosins.

 

The mosin is a SHTF weapon a last resort rifle that fires cheap ammo and is reliable, you will never see any sane person wasting time and resources somehow bubbaing a mosin with a modern day scope that costs 20x the price of the gun and somehow jury rigging a modern day bipod into it.

 

 

So please lets stop the false myth of mosins being elite precision rifles they simply arent.

[pacific_coast 632]

i look forward to the akm.

[kaix12 34]

A bone stock mosin is not an accurate weapon.

 

The only reason it has gained so much praise world wide is because its reliable and more importantly it is super cheap and cheap to shoot.

 

Mosins are not tact drivers give me a bone stock mosin and any modern manufactured akm. I can paint far smaller groups with the akm.

 

Mosins are just inherently inaccurate, everything from the bad stock that causes pressure points on the barrel to the miss matched parts that is the case with 9/10 mosins you see where different parts from different mosins have been put together and they don't quite fit right.

 

Even the surplus ammo you find contributes to the poor accuracy of mosins the steel cased ammo doesnt always fully expand inside the gun and you have extreme variances in muzzle velocity. Even with ammo in the same batch.

 

A good mosin I mean a perfect pristine mosin would group 3 inches at 100 yards.

 

Your average non modified stock mosin will paint much bigger groups 4-5 inch range at the same distance.

 

I honestly do not understand where this myth of mosins being elite sniper rifles that can hit a dime at 1000 yards comes from. No self respecting Military would arm their troops with mosins.

 

The mosin is a SHTF weapon a last resort rifle that fires cheap ammo and is reliable, you will never see any sane person wasting time and resources somehow bubbaing a mosin with a modern day scope that costs 20x the price of the gun and somehow jury rigging a modern day bipod into it.

 

 

So please lets stop the false myth of mosins being elite precision rifles they simply arent.

 

Im not saying it is a precision rifle, but saying a AK is more accurate than a Mosin at range is ludicrous. 

After all an AK is definitely not a precision weapon, it's not as inaccurate as people think, but it is not as accurate as a Mosin.

 

Also not all AK's are "Modern manufactured", so they aren't all brand new and accurate. Just like not all Russian Mosins are 100 years old have been through 5 years of war, bashed around, and then used in constant shooting since then and now are all hole ridden, with their stocks and barrels all over the place and all the rifling gone, many as I said before can be found un-issued after being put into storage and while not the most accurate thing in the world, will be more accurate than your average AK.

[JPWiser 251]

A bone stock mosin is not an accurate weapon.

 

The only reason it has gained so much praise world wide is because its reliable and more importantly it is super cheap and cheap to shoot.

 

Mosins are not tact drivers give me a bone stock mosin and any modern manufactured akm. I can paint far smaller groups with the akm.

 

Mosins are just inherently inaccurate, everything from the bad stock that causes pressure points on the barrel to the miss matched parts that is the case with 9/10 mosins you see where different parts from different mosins have been put together and they don't quite fit right.

 

Even the surplus ammo you find contributes to the poor accuracy of mosins the steel cased ammo doesnt always fully expand inside the gun and you have extreme variances in muzzle velocity. Even with ammo in the same batch.

 

A good mosin I mean a perfect pristine mosin would group 3 inches at 100 yards.

 

Your average non modified stock mosin will paint much bigger groups 4-5 inch range at the same distance.

 

I honestly do not understand where this myth of mosins being elite sniper rifles that can hit a dime at 1000 yards comes from. No self respecting Military would arm their troops with mosins.

 

The mosin is a SHTF weapon a last resort rifle that fires cheap ammo and is reliable, you will never see any sane person wasting time and resources somehow bubbaing a mosin with a modern day scope that costs 20x the price of the gun and somehow jury rigging a modern day bipod into it.

 

 

So please lets stop the false myth of mosins being elite precision rifles they simply arent.

 

I think the devs should take that info into consideration.  I know nothing about the technicalities of weapons, but i do know its far to easy for a person to pick up a scoped mosin and be a pro sniper.

 

Imagine the AS50 in this game??? Makes me shudder.

[alldaypk 63]

It sounds like it's very hit and miss with the quality of the Mosin Nagant, but if i was given the choice between that and a AKM for long range I would choose the Mosin, for the longer ranged cartridge.

[gibonez 3633]

Im not saying it is a precision rifle, but saying a AK is more accurate than a Mosin at range is ludicrous. 

After all an AK is definitely not a precision weapon, it's not as inaccurate as people think, but it is not as accurate as a Mosin.

 

Also not all AK's are "Modern manufactured", so they aren't all brand new and accurate. Just like not all Russian Mosins are 100 years old have been through 5 years of war, bashed around, and then used in constant shooting since then and now are all hole ridden, with their stocks and barrels all over the place and all the rifling gone, many as I said before can be found un-issued after being put into storage and while not the most accurate thing in the world, will be more accurate than your average AK.

 

Im not saying it is a precision rifle, but saying a AK is more accurate than a Mosin at range is ludicrous. 

After all an AK is definitely not a precision weapon, it's not as inaccurate as people think, but it is not as accurate as a Mosin.

 

Also not all AK's are "Modern manufactured", so they aren't all brand new and accurate. Just like not all Russian Mosins are 100 years old have been through 5 years of war, bashed around, and then used in constant shooting since then and now are all hole ridden, with their stocks and barrels all over the place and all the rifling gone, many as I said before can be found un-issued after being put into storage and while not the most accurate thing in the world, will be more accurate than your average AK.

 

 

But it is.

 

Range does not matter.

 

at 100 yards the mosin will be just as inaccurate is it is at 1000 yards

 

That 4 inch group at 100 yards turns into a 40 inch group at 1000 yards.

 

BTW I am not saying all mosins are inaccurate, I would say 90 percent of them are the other 10 percent that are accurate are the bubbaed mosins that people buy for 100 dollars then spend 700 dollars glass bedding the stock, buying custom parts and gunsmithing it to take modern day optics, recrowning and refinishing the barrel.

[gibonez 3633]

I think the devs should take that info into consideration.  I know nothing about the technicalities of weapons, but i do know its far to easy for a person to pick up a scoped mosin and be a pro sniper.

 

Imagine the AS50 in this game??? Makes me shudder.

 

I would wish the devs atleast the ones incharge of weapon handling would go out and fire the weapons they include in the game.

 

Not just fire them though do testing on how the weapons group, handle and most importantly what accessories would easily mount on each weapon.

 

They need to have a mosin in front of them and then realize how difficult and unpractical it would be to mount modern day optics and a bipod to the weapon.

 

Unfortunately they might not have access to weapons as easily .

[taco86 156]

Gibonez, there is no doubt in my mind that the current implementation of the mosin in DAYZ is simply a place holder...  Once a true precision rifle capable of mounting modern bipods and optics is added into the game, expect the MOA on the mosin to be increased and for it to be far more limited on what can be mounted.

[OldWolf (DayZ) 9]

I'm very excited for the AKM. I love guns with wood parts..the SKS and Mosin are my favorite guns i've ever used in a video game haha..

[escobert 112]

I can't wait; the AKM was my 100% favorite assault rifle in the mod, and probably all of ArmA 2.

and best in real life. love my maadi.