Casuals and DayZ

[Daemonkid 493]

Thar ye goo.

[Fry76 23]

after 200 hours I want more Zs and Z hordes cause DayZ not DayPvP or DayVamps and I want less ammo.

Im not saying to stop KoS or bandits cause they are important to get paranoid feeling to DayZ but more Zs.

Also I think that best videos comes from those guys who play certain role.

Edited March 6, 2014 by Fry76

[Highlander007 249]

I call them new fish. Fishy fishy fishy. Aw, you gonna cry little fish?

[lipemr 160]

How many people who play this game are master bowyers, fletchers, or archers? Crafting these items are surely as difficult as flying a helicopter.

 

no, it isnt.

 

anyone with basic knowledge can craft a rustic bow, bot 99.5% of world's population wont even know how to start an helicopter.

[Mathylde 3]

The more time I spend reading these forums the more and more I find that the ideas being represented are from casuals that prefer to turn this into a co-op vs AI game. 

• Cries about KOS
• Wanting helicopters out of the game for fear of finding their bases
• Wanting less guns in the game (particularly military-grade sniper rifles)

 

These seem to be the main three and more-or-less the objection is based on (although the complainers will never actually admit) the fact that their game experience is too difficult. 

 

So in attempt to prevent the influx of casual gamers rallying to ruin what could be a great game I'm offering some pointers:

 

 

Suggestion for KOS criers - evaluate your surroundings, learn the map and know positions in which you're likely to be sniped from and act accordingly. Avoid high-traffic routes. Deal with every player with caution, scout out their equipment and behaviour patterns before you make a judgement and run up to them with direct on asking if they will be your buddy. 

 

Suggestion for those crying about Helis - you're most vulnerable when in open fields anyway, heli or not. Avoid them and you'll be fine. Campfires inside buildings = profit. The maps are HUGE even when you have a heli. pick your base position with helis in mind - don't make a base between starry and NWAF.

 

Cries about KOS are more likely to come from COD formated players that have no clue of what situational awareness is in a game that has a map bigger than a 50mx50m scare.

 

Cries about helis are more likely to come from COD formated players (used to awfully easy acheivements) that don't want to put the necessary effort to get one. And therefore don't want anyone to get one because "it wouldn't be fair".

 

Cries about to much firearms is defenitly anti-casual. The more difiicult firearms are to get , the less likely casual are to get one. Making non-casual players more likely to get firearms, or better firearms than casuals. What you said about firearms makes no sens. At all.

[irl-calibre 744]

more nonchalant than casual tbh.

[soulfirez 901]

Thar ye goo.

Yeah thats what i am talking about the devs original intent was to have helli;s but have them so hard to find the parts for and fix and then on top of that have the ToH start procedures and flight model...

 

I hope they do put them in this way so these um uber elite guys who saying its part of there story can have some ahh fun lol i am going to be laughing my ass off shooting them when they cant get the thing to take off or laughing my ass off more when they crash the sucker straight after getting off the ground..

 

I have 50 hours in ToH and id class myself as a newb at the controls, flying a helicopter in arma is as hard as riding a bike where as flying a helli in ToH is well as hard as well flying a helli..

 

PS for these so called vets who have played things like epoch sorry i dont class that as Dayz it goes so far from the idea of what Dayz is ment to be it aint funny ( sure it added some cool things but over all it was wasteland with zeds not dayz)

 

Come on devs give them there helli please but do it as you intended i really need the laugh...then it will show you who the casuals are!!

Edited March 6, 2014 by SoulFirez

[LaughingJack (DayZ) 767]

anyone with basic knowledge can craft a thing that looks like a bow and is able to let a stick fly for 10 metres or maybe 11, in a way that you can never tell where it will go and even if you hit by accident something with it, it would have the same effect than throwing that stick would have had, well, in 99% of the cases, even less.

 

Sry, had to fix that for you. I'm an archer myself (Barebow) and really, everything a normal man could "craft" with the knowledge from movies and pictures (and without the internet to give him advice ;)), would result in said way.

Try it yourself, a simple bow: Find a stick, a totally straight one. Now find something that you can use as bowstring, make a bow and shoot an arrow you crafted yourself. You'll see the results.

 

But INGAME it'stotally ok for me, that we will be able to craft a bow and shoot with it (which is harder than shooting a gun imho, especially if you want to aim at something...) but "anyone with basic knowledge can craft a rustic bow"...not even a rustic bow. Not even a somewhat bow. A thing that may look like a bow but doesn't work as intended.

Edited March 6, 2014 by LaughingJack

[lipemr 160]

Sry, had to fix that for you. I'm an archer myself (Barebow) and really, everything a normal man could "craft" with the knowledge from movies and pictures (and without the internet to give him advice ;)), would result in said way.

Try it yourself, a simple bow: Find a stick, a totally straight one. Now find something that you can use as bowstring, make a bow and shoot an arrow you crafted yourself. You'll see the results.

 

But INGAME it'stotally ok for me, that we will be able to craft a bow and shoot with it (which is harder than shooting a gun imho, especially if you want to aim at something...) but "anyone with basic knowledge can craft a rustic bow"...not even a rustic bow. Not even a somewhat bow. A thing that may look like a bow but doesn't work as intended.

 

in the end, it's a game, even then flying a helicopter is 10 times more difficult than finding some decent materials (a flexible rod of metal/wood, plus a bike brake cable, BAM, a rustic bow).

 

the crafted bows shouldnt have any other uses other than hunting, and it should be innacurate as hell, but it's still a bow.

 

helicopters require at least 1 year of training to master properly, a random dude that washed on the shore will NEVER be able to pilot one. Hell, there's people IRL that struggle to drive a freaking car.

 

helicopters have nothing to add to the gameplay other than making clans life's easier and lone wolves lifes a living hell.

Edited March 6, 2014 by lipemr

[Jex 1104]

The more time I spend reading these forums the more and more I find that the ideas being represented are from casuals that prefer to turn this into a co-op vs AI game. 

 

• Wanting helicopters out of the game for fear of finding their bases

 

You just don't listen do you. 

 

Heli's cheat, it's that simple.

[kakysas666 191]

The more time I spend reading these forums the more and more I find that the ideas being represented are from casuals that prefer to turn this into a co-op vs AI game. 

• Cries about KOS
• Wanting helicopters out of the game for fear of finding their bases
• Wanting less guns in the game (particularly military-grade sniper rifles)

 

 

Maybe it is the OP who is casual. Casual bf4 and cow a dooty player who wants DayZ SA to be exactly the same shithole as Arma MOD. Game doesn't need any high-grade sniper rifles. It doesn't need helicopters, as the map is small already and I'd say it doesn't need cars, though they will be introduced eventually, which is sad.

 

If OP wants a military simulator, better stick to ARMA and similar games. DAYZ is about survival, not multi-play shooter with military payday mask kids running around with m4's and serverhoppping in military buildings.

 

You are the cancer of DayZ, OP.

[pilgrim* 3514]

Copter in game:  

 

a heli is difficult to repair, pain to refuel, hard to hide, easy to wreck.. having a heli ties you down and its a big time and planning pain.

 

In the mod, most everyone who had a heli avoided gunfire, flew when no on was around, or their heli lasted 2 days (after their 5 days of work)

 

- except the fakers, who spawned stuff to repair and maintain it. But no one can do that now (right?.. hm, or not right?)

 

If someone has a copta - you take a compass and a bunch of rice a bunch of water and a bunch of grenades and you
track it. You live in the woods. When you find where they hide it (might take days) you usually find a base with loot. You hang till no one is around, you loot what you want and throw your grenades in the heli. Good gameplay. Worked in Nam, in Afghanistan, hmm?- worked in the mod, lol. A helicopter is a big liability.

 

Or just fly the heli out if you dont have a grenade, and land it on the docks downtown. First kid to log in will try to fly it and waste themselves and heli in 10 mins.

 

So as long as there is no easy cheat way to repair helis, they are cool. I don't fly them I hunt them.

 

xx pilgrim

 

(also Yaaay McGarnagle! )

Edited March 6, 2014 by pilgrim

[Window Licker 504]

Sry, had to fix that for you. I'm an archer myself (Barebow) and really, everything a normal man could "craft" with the knowledge from movies and pictures (and without the internet to give him advice ;)), would result in said way.

Try it yourself, a simple bow: Find a stick, a totally straight one. Now find something that you can use as bowstring, make a bow and shoot an arrow you crafted yourself. You'll see the results.

 

But INGAME it'stotally ok for me, that we will be able to craft a bow and shoot with it (which is harder than shooting a gun imho, especially if you want to aim at something...) but "anyone with basic knowledge can craft a rustic bow"...not even a rustic bow. Not even a somewhat bow. A thing that may look like a bow but doesn't work as intended.

I haven't done that since I was a kid,  also getting good shafts is a pain in the arse used to spend hours looking for perfectly straight shaft's. Time to reminisce.....

 

Now that's over, there was a rather long and detailed conversation about choppers which I can't find right now. In my opinion, they should be complicated to get running, they should be limited to smaller "farmer" style choppers, difficult to fly, and the people who have them should be forced to hold a refueling station or raid one and transport some fuel in a [ground] vehicle in order to keep it in the air.  Small arms fire should be a threat so the pilot must be tactical about the routes, this would also mean no super sniper rifles needed to take them down.  Having a helicopter would be an advantage in these conditions but air time would be precious so they wouldn't be flown around all the time only when a situation demanded it.

 

 

Well to be fair, we're not asking for the removal of something, just the non-addition of something.

And what's the problem of a ´´ridicilous´´ tent base on the top of a hill in the north? I would say that a lack of helicopters even make it harder to make ridicilous bases, because all bases will have to be accessible by foot.

With helis I could make a base with no cover on an inaccessible hill in the North somewhere, which is worse.

I am yet to find a location big enough to land a helicopter that I can't access on foot, this is a null point.

[Valadain 270]

in the end, it's a game, even then flying a helicopter is 10 times more difficult than finding some decent materials (a flexible rod of metal/wood, plus a bike brake cable, BAM, a rustic bow).

 

the crafted bows shouldnt have any other uses other than hunting, and it should be innacurate as hell, but it's still a bow.

 

helicopters require at least 1 year of training to master properly, a random dude that washed on the shore will NEVER be able to pilot one. Hell, there's people IRL that struggle to drive a freaking car.

 

helicopters have nothing to add to the gameplay other than making clans life's easier and lone wolves lifes a living hell.

 

Even if the random dude washing up on shore is a former helicopter pilot? If they make dealing with them sufficiently difficult, you should have no problems with realism. Interestingly, they can actually make helicopters realistically difficult to fly, but they can't make bows realistically difficult to craft. So... Which should be added again?

[minime1000 78]

It is a 3rd person game so it being casual is sort of given.

[NinjaTurkey 255]

In my opinion its the casuals that do the most kos'ing. Because they just wanna jump in and shoot.

The hardcore players tend to roleplay more and actualy hold people up. There are so many interesting situations that can happen if you dont shoot on site. I find it a shame that more people dont explore this.

I would say meh they are missing out, but truth is its not just them. The guy/s they shot did too.