The Anti-Game - Why DayZ will stay a crappy game

[Duenan 226]

If it's such a bad game and was a bad mod then

 

why did they make all that money as soon as it was released on early access..

 

 

People like what they're gonna like.

 

If you don't like it, don't play it

[Duenan 226]

THIS. THIS is the reason why the DayZ's post-apocalyptic realism concept will never work.

 

The first time you die, the immersion breaks and you stop giving a fuck.

 

Isn't this the case with ANY game?

 

Whether or not its trying to be realistic or not it is a game.

 

Untill we have holodeck simulators or keys for games meaning if you die thats it you can never play the game again it will never be realistic.

[Highlander007 249]

One word: embarrassing.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQdC8oxhDWY

 

Not cool. I'd curse at you but I'm afraid that might upset Mr. OrLok

[Grimey Rick 3417]

Not cool. I'd curse at you but I'm afraid that might upset Mr. OrLok

 

Meh, that's what happens when you enter an MMA match against a BJJ ace and neglect your stand up. I love Cro Cop, but TIMBERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

[Highlander007 249]

I'm having a hard time too. I've maxed out both of my characters and now I'm having such shit time because I play stealthy and sneaky and mostly I see only rabbits about. My ego is the problem here, if I only let go and dropped all my gear to start over, I'd have fun again.

[Highlander007 249]

Meh, that's what happens when you enter an MMA match against a BJJ ace and neglect your stand up. I love Cro Cop, but TIMBERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

I saw the match live but I must have repressed it completely coz I clicked it here. After Silva v Weidman I don't watch UFC no more. I quit

[res 373]

Isn't this the case with ANY game?

 

Whether or not its trying to be realistic or not it is a game.

 

Untill we have holodeck simulators or keys for games meaning if you die thats it you can never play the game again it will never be realistic.

 

This game fails in it's core objectives; realistic survival, post-apocalyptic player interaction since it's multiplayer, and immersion.

 

And players IGNORE this while putting cheap and dumb excuses like "It's alpha". 

 

Realistic survival? Let me put a bullet through your arm and let's see if you're still able to wield that M4 after only bandaging yourself.

Realistic post-apocalyptic player interaction? What Slyguy65 said. You're safely sitting your ass in a comfortable chair behind a screen.

Immersion? Oh yeah, so much immersion when you speak to the body of a grown man and a little 13 year old kid speaks through his body.

 

Alpha isn't going to fix that ^.

[Powell (DayZ) 734]

I'm a bit of a masochist, so I find DayZ fun 

[OrLoK 16187]

I do it for the Sheer Terror.

[JonySK 60]

Oh look, it's one of those threads criticizing a game that's on an alpha stage.

Oh look its one of those fanboys defending the game with nonsense.

Edited March 2, 2014 by JonySK

[Window Licker 504]

I saw the match live but I must have repressed it completely coz I clicked it here. After Silva v Weidman I don't watch UFC no more. I quit

Was that the one where he broke his leg kicking him?

 

uh on topic

DayZ rules!! WarZ for fool's yeeeeaaaahhhhhhh DAYZ

 

Did you know, the rockets in Doom2 have a red ring on the front of them, I observed it while dodging one in a deathmatch, funny so long yet I remember like it was yesterday, CS 1.5 was the last game that occasionally gave me the oh shit feeling since then I forgot how it felt, enter dayz the dry mouth, mind's racing trying to figure out the best plan, gotta move quick to tarry is to die, when it's over my hands are shaking, so long since a game has given me such a rush 10/10

Edited March 2, 2014 by Window Licker

[ctrek 421 1]

yep everyone is right it can never be realistic enough.

 

I mean dying when healthy, energized, hydrated with a fully modded M4 a backpack with medical supplies, ammo, lock boxes and then respawning already hungry with no inventory space and only the clothes on your back in one of the most dangerous areas of the game is not a good enough incentive to not want to die and play like a survivalist. (heavy sarcasm)

 

will you people only be happy if your locked out of the game and forced to never play again after dying once?

 

the reason you can max out so quickly is:

 

1. not enough zombies to be afraid of

 

2. all water is safe water. If water was contaminated or diseased you wouldn't be able to freely look for gear. you would be looking for safe water.

 

3. your wounds don't get infected. this is the same as water above. less time worrying about wounds is more time worrying about guns and ammo.

 

4. no base building. again more time spent building a base is less time searching for other players to kill or looking for guns and ammo.

 

5. no proper grouping mechanism. if players could group in game and communicate safely across distance your survivability increases and even potentially decreases and you will have to share loot and care for other players.

 

6. military loot is very easy to find. guns are easy to find meaning you want to use them and kill kill kill!

 

7. no hunting or hunting weapons. if players were spending time hunting crafting bows and arrows and using skinning knives they wouldn't be worried about military gear so much. 

 

notice anything? did you notice a theme?

 

everything I listed is going to be fixed and added by development. meaning this game and your goals in it will drastically change as new things are implemented.  

 

WHEN WE USE ALPHA AS AN EXCUSE IT IS TOTALLY LOGICAL AND LEGITIMATE. YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT WANTING FEATURES AND MORE THINGS TO DO IN A GAME THAT IS IN ALPHA STAGES AND IS ADDING MANY MORE FEATURES AND MECHANISM AS TIME GOES ON. 

[Highlander007 249]

Was that the one where he broke his leg kicking him?

 

Yes.

[LaughingJack (DayZ) 767]

1) DayZ never wanted to be realistic. "Authentic" was the word, because trying to make a game closer to reality was never a goal. Your example with a bullet is perfect why not.

 

2) Players are not really themselves in a game....that's what I call breaking news. Please tell me one game, where this is NOT the case? I really can't think of anyone...

 

3) Yeah....so people don't play, the way you want them to play...and you want to force them?

 

That is just DayZ: You are free to act the way you want. And a lot of people want to act like assholes. Live with it. Or not. Your choice as always.

 

I see the main point here (players don't fear the death of a character), which was discussed over and over again in a dozen threads already.  but like Duenan said:

 

Untill we have holodeck simulators or keys for games meaning if you die thats it you can never play the game again it will never be realistic.

 

it will not change. MAYBE the skillsystem will change it a little bit. MAYBE basebuilding will change it a little bit. MAYBE Zombie respawn/higher numbers/better AI will change that a little bit.

Is that sure? No. Other suggestions?

 

 

Oh look its one of those fanboys defending the game with nonsense.

 

Oh look it's one of those forum members making a useless comment. Wait...

 

 

EDIT:

 

yep everyone is right it can never be realistic enough.

 

I mean dying when healthy, energized, hydrated with a fully modded M4 a backpack with medical supplies, ammo, lock boxes and then respawning already hungry with no inventory space and only the clothes on your back in one of the most dangerous areas of the game is not a good enough incentive to not want to die and play like a survivalist. (heavy sarcasm)

 

will you people only be happy if your locked out of the game and forced to never play again after dying once?

 

the reason you can max out so quickly is:

 

1. not enough zombies to be afraid of

 

2. all water is safe water. If water was contaminated or diseased you wouldn't be able to freely look for gear. you would be looking for safe water.

 

3. your wounds don't get infected. this is the same as water above. less time worrying about wounds is more time worrying about guns and ammo.

 

4. no base building. again more time spent building a base is less time searching for other players to kill or looking for guns and ammo.

 

5. no proper grouping mechanism. if players could group in game and communicate safely across distance your survivability increases and even potentially decreases and you will have to share loot and care for other players.

 

6. military loot is very easy to find. guns are easy to find meaning you want to use them and kill kill kill!

 

7. no hunting or hunting weapons. if players were spending time hunting crafting bows and arrows and using skinning knives they wouldn't be worried about military gear so much. 

 

notice anything? did you notice a theme?

 

everything I listed is going to be fixed and added by development. meaning this game and your goals in it will drastically change as new things are implemented.  

 

WHEN WE USE ALPHA AS AN EXCUSE IT IS TOTALLY LOGICAL AND LEGITIMATE. YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT WANTING FEATURES AND MORE THINGS TO DO IN A GAME THAT IS IN ALPHA STAGES AND IS ADDING MANY MORE FEATURES AND MECHANISM AS TIME GOES ON. 

 

Wise man.

Edited March 2, 2014 by LaughingJack

[ctrek 421 1]

This game fails in it's core objectives; realistic survival, post-apocalyptic player interaction since it's multiplayer, and immersion.

 

And players IGNORE this while putting cheap and dumb excuses like "It's alpha". 

 

Realistic survival? Let me put a bullet through your arm and let's see if you're still able to wield that M4 after only bandaging yourself.

Realistic post-apocalyptic player interaction? What Slyguy65 said. You're safely sitting your ass in a comfortable chair behind a screen.

Immersion? Oh yeah, so much immersion when you speak to the body of a grown man and a little 13 year old kid speaks through his body.

 

Alpha isn't going to fix that ^.

 

dude. you are a tool.

 

you can't say an alpha game has failed. It isn't complete. 

 

WE DON'T IGNORE IT! WE KNOW THE GAME IS ABOUT REALISTIC SURVIVAL!

 

we want features like limb damage, disease, sickness and such added. and they will be added. so says development. thats why we say "its alpha" you are complaining about wanting things that WILL be added.

 

You think allowing teenagers to play a game with adult character models breaks immersion? You are ridiculous and lack common sense. Isit going to break immersion when you find out females sometimes play male characters and males play female characters???? OH NO!! 

 

like i said before what does it take for pixels on a screen to meet your immersion requirements? by your logic no video game ever could be realistic or immersive enough to satisfy your needs.

[tommes 331]

While your post has some merit, every person describes "fun" in a different way.  For me, the "fun" in DayZ is not about "looting up" and trying to be king shit, for me the fun is scrounging off the leftovers and trying to survive while maintaining some shred of humanity.  This game calls into question your morals and each time you spawn, or each time you sit down, dependant upon your mood or what happened in your previous run through the game, sometimes you may be a moral helper, sometimes you may be a bandit, sometimes you may go Charles Manson, and sometime you may just run around in your underwear screaming at people being the crazy cat lady...  for me, all those scenarios are fun.  When I first started playing I was all about "MY gear", but now, I know gear is easily replaced, it is the interactions I am enjoying..

 

So I guess what you need to do, is question why YOU want to play this game.  If you want to be top of the leaderboards (which don't exist) then go find somethign else to play, if you want to have some intense, unpredictable human interaction then come on down asnd boot up DayZ

My criticism has it's root in the fact, that in DayZ you mostly run around for hours not having one sensible interaction with anybody. Then you have one and it's "Hey dude! Whatsup?"...silence...Bang bang baby shot you dead. Or "Sorry Bra! Meeting a friend. Bye." and that's it. 1 - 3 hours of running through the landscape for that?

I'm not even counting deaths by bullshit like glitching'n'stuff. Sure that's a little different if you have a bunch of others to play with. Their presence alleviates this...let's call it "lonliness" for the sake of this discussion. You'll have to make your own party to have a party. DayZ won't give you one.

 

I don't give a shit about gear, I just want enought to not be a victim. Often enough DayZ won't give you that. It will give you a gun...or ammo...but not both...at least not for the respective weapon. But the other guy has both and he wants to use it...or is just afraid of your axe...despite you keeping your distance and talking to him non aggressively. So 2 hours spent to not be a victim to just get one. Time wasted. I could have fun by playing some game where you spawn with a weapon. Or playing coop with some non psychopathics. Either way, playing DayZ, though mildly stimulating, wasn't the best choice.

[tommes 331]

One Word Five Letters A L P H A

You didn't read well. They can go through any letter of the alphabet and all of simplified Chinese and nothing will change but some fancy shit to keep you distracted. The core issue will persist til the end of time. The concept is fundamentally flawed.

[oregonized 673]

If I run out of toilet paper, I will use this thread to wipe my ass.

[tommes 331]

Not a good time to fun ratio?

 

I payed 120 + hours and enjoyed practically every second. I've gotten less enjoyment out of AAA title for double the cost.

Well, let's say you seem to get easily excited. I don't have fun anymore doing some power looting. I have maybe 30 hours in SA and remember 2 or 3 worthy moments. That'd be 10 hours per noteworthy interaction. I could have had 10 times more of those by playing some regular Arma or maybe Insurgency or whatever.

But there are also people enjoying "Euro Truck Simulator" while I'd be bored to death...

 

[res 373]

dude. you are a tool.

 

you can't say an alpha game has failed. It isn't complete. 

 

WE DON'T IGNORE IT! WE KNOW THE GAME IS ABOUT REALISTIC SURVIVAL!

 

we want features like limb damage, disease, sickness and such added. and they will be added. so says development. thats why we say "its alpha" you are complaining about wanting things that WILL be added.

 

You think allowing teenagers to play a game with adult character models breaks immersion? You are ridiculous and lack common sense. Isit going to break immersion when you find out females sometimes play male characters and males play female characters???? OH NO!! 

 

like i said before what does it take for pixels on a screen to meet your immersion requirements? by your logic no video game ever could be realistic or immersive enough to satisfy your needs.

 

Tool? Who I am being used by? I'm pretty sure I know about the situation around me.

 

I'm saying that an alpha game has failed because it's NOW when unfortunally DayZ is getting attention.

 

Not in full release. It's now when DayZ is popular. And DayZ now isn't in a good condition.

 

But still the way people play this game isn't going to change. Harder zombies? More zombies? More difficulty?

 

Realistic interaction in a post-apocalyptic world has 2 factors:

 

·Fear of death, fear of the unknown, in real life, it doesn't matter how much people you've seen die, you still never know untill the time comes.

 

·Hunt or be hunted, because when human race is brought back to the basics of survival after YEARS of being brainwashed by the government, suddenly loses everything they were fighting for (like jobs, money, family), and is left alone with no TV or Internet to get advice from, we lose out humanity, and slowly DOWNGRADE to our basics of survival, BECAUSE WE NEED TO, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER HUMAN HAS ON HIS MIND ABOUT US.

 

Now for this last factor I can quote Fallout 3:

 

War. War never changes.

Since the dawn of human kind, when our ancestors first discovered the killing power of rock and bone, blood has been spilled in the name of everything: from God to justice to simple, psychotic rage.

THIS is always present in DayZ, BUT the fear factor is missing.

 

Therefore THERE IS NO BALANCE.

 

It's not only about the glitches, it's about everything.

Edited March 2, 2014 by skin_head_army

[tommes 331]

um yes and you are just pissed off because you literarly suck ingame

That kind of accusation was imminent. 

I don't suck at any game I chose to not suck at. My criticism is about the low...well...excrutiatingly low rate of action compared to the extended periods of running through emtpy woods with nothing than a burlap sack and a shovel. Now that's what I call fun...

[LaughingJack (DayZ) 767]

I just quote myself...

 

It's easy: If a game is no fun to you just stop playing it.

 

What is the freakin' point of the OP? "Oh, I played a game a while. Then it was no fun to me anymore. Better get in the forum of the game and tell everyone about it" ?

 

Do you need attention? Don't you have the number of a help-line? Or at least teddybear you can talk to?

 

It is FINE if you don't like to play DayZ. It is FINE if you hate it. It is FINE if you loaded into on external drive, took a crap on it and burned it (as long as you don't do that near me). And really, I couldn't care less about you not having fun anymore in DayZ, but for heavens sake why the fuck do you make a thread about it here? To annoy people? To stuff you opinion (that is SO important to all of us) down our throats? To start a flamewar? Or do you REALLY just need the attention SO badly?

 

Whatever.

[tommes 331]

it's not a game, its a story.

How about you write down the story of your next life down on paper. Report wise it won't be more than half a page. Spawned. Ran around. Looted this. Looted that. Got a gun. Shot some sucker. Got shot by his friend. Rinse. Repeat. Cool story, bro.

[Window Licker 504]

My criticism has it's root in the fact, that in DayZ you mostly run around for hours not having one sensible interaction with anybody. Then you have one and it's "Hey dude! Whatsup?"...silence...Bang bang baby shot you dead. Or "Sorry Bra! Meeting a friend. Bye." and that's it. 1 - 3 hours of running through the landscape for that?

I'm not even counting deaths by bullshit like glitching'n'stuff. Sure that's a little different if you have a bunch of others to play with. Their presence alleviates this...let's call it "lonliness" for the sake of this discussion. You'll have to make your own party to have a party. DayZ won't give you one.

 

I don't give a shit about gear, I just want enought to not be a victim. Often enough DayZ won't give you that. It will give you a gun...or ammo...but not both...at least not for the respective weapon. But the other guy has both and he wants to use it...or is just afraid of your axe...despite you keeping your distance and talking to him non aggressively. So 2 hours spent to not be a victim to just get one. Time wasted. I could have fun by playing some game where you spawn with a weapon. Or playing coop with some non psychopathics. Either way, playing DayZ, though mildly stimulating, wasn't the best choice.

Well I'm dropping the two cents that I have grouped with random players and we had a good time feels nice having someone to watch your back, if your having trouble meeting people in game why not find some outside the game and play with them

 

 

You didn't read well. They can go through any letter of the alphabet and all of simplified Chinese and nothing will change but some fancy shit to keep you distracted. The core issue will persist til the end of time. The concept is fundamentally flawed.

I've not been keeping too close of an eye on this thread reading it every now and then, but the "concept being fundamentally flawed" has popped up several times, this seems to be the magic shield that everyone who's criticizing is hiding behind, Dean said that and now it's your go to straw man.  The thing your missing is everything is flawed if there was a flawless, truly flawless, game then everyone would play that and we wouldn't be here.  Your entitled to your opinion and all that but I don't recall ever eating olives and thinking that shit is disgusting I've gotta get me some more of that, no it's that shit is disgusting, never again.

 

If you don't enjoy something then why do it, if you truly believe this game is ruined then why are you playing there is no reason for you to be here stirring the pot. Why are you being a troll?

[Twixxer 159]

Wait till the game is finished and then judge it.