Yesterday I shot at a guy who happens to be drinking at a pump that

[MetapoliC 263]

Sounds like you provided an excellent lesson in the need for a self-defensive mentality and better situational awareness.

 

Wanted to write the same ^^

[MetapoliC 263]

Good point, and I am wondering what this has to do with "Surviving the zombie apocalypse" :D

 

We might as well just rename the game to DayH Standalone for now, as in Day Humans.

 

PRE-ACCESS-ALPHA? Not much

 

A finished and released game? We will see

[or'dinii 28]

Oh really? See your previous posts below... I am right now, and I am having great difficulties seeing where I claim the developers have stated that DayZ should be played so and so. What you see is my personal take on the KOS playstyle, on the grounds that it is better to be safe than sorry because most likely whoever you meet will have the same agenda as yourself. That is NOT me stating the agenda of the game developers. Orly some more?

 

 

You do realise that lowering ammo or gun spawns will NOT stop KOS right? Do you honestly think that someone would all the sudden change playstyles just becuase its harder to find a gun? I actually do think it will lower it, but not eradicate it. I believe it will lower KOS on the grounds that KOS'ers generally (at least that is what you get the impression of) try to stay alive as long as possible because that is their goal or likewise, and only a pure one on one situation is likely to give them that result. Shoot your gun at a 2+ player group, even if you are hiding far away in the bushes, when you have 1 bullet left... the one bullet you found 3 hour ago.

 

I might be completely wrong, but bambislaying at the coast would be more or less eradicated. We might actually get something in the vincinity of a plausible KOS situation.

 

So tell me, with one or two bullets, how would you get the drop on me and my buddy? And that is one single example.

 

 

 

It seems you are using semantics to try to justify your argument. Changing the wording of what YOU believe to be a "sandbox" doesnt negate mine or any other playstyle. Whatever method I use, often multiple, is a result of me providing arguements that people twist and turn, resorting to personal characteristics of me as a person rather than argue sensibly. "Do you really think that..." is not an arguement, it is a statement which you yourself do not even know the answer to.

 

 

An open world is a type of video game level design where a player can roam freely through a virtual world and is given considerable freedom in choosing how or when to approach objectives

 

-wiki

 

 

This game is not meant to be played one or another.....

Funny how you claim, falsely, that I have stated how the developers say the game should be played, while you yourself remove any possibility of the developers having a view on the issue at all...on what grounds can you say that exactly?

 

In all my posts regarding the developers I have said what I think they might have in mind for this game based on the future features and the complexity of them, and all the possibilities of interaction they provide. Some of you seem to interpret that as though I claim to know what they think or what they have decided. All I am saying is that if they are of the opinion that the community will (be able to) turn DayZ into a pure PvP game I see no reason for them to do all the other work on the game, that they do.

[crazyandlazy 376]

You clearly have not seen my post in another thread (about KOS'ing, shocker!) relating to how civil the Japanese were after the tsunami, where they, in an chaotic and totally destroyed environment lined up in queues and waited for their turn to get some basic resources. They did not riot or kill eachother over resources. 

 

Real life event, real life reaction and behaviour.

 

If you are going to use examples of how humans might behave, please base it on real life events and not (Sci) fiction. (Not even famines in Africa caused by lack of rain cause people to kill eachother on sight, though MONEY does regularly.)

 

Oh my god. How I overlooked this post. Were you the asinine dude who was saying the Japanese are superior than Americans because they are more cultured?

 

Mmh. It would make sense because that racist guy was one monkey short of opening up a zoo.

 

 

 

In all my posts regarding the developers I have said what I think they might have in mind for this game based on the future features and the complexity of them, and all the possibilities of interaction they provide. Some of you seem to interpret that as though I claim to know what they think or what they have decided. All I am saying is that if they are of the opinion that the community will (be able to) turn DayZ into a pure PvP game I see no reason for them to do all the other work on the game, that they do.

 

Learn the term: Sandbox

 

And funny how you keep on and on about INTERACTIONZ. Pssst....buddy...pssst..."interactions" is a broken record. No one's going to listen lol.

Edited February 27, 2014 by CrazyandLazy

[or'dinii 28]

backpedal in 3 ... 2... 1...

 

 

 

lol. I don't know why you care so much about how other people want to play this game. I think a part of you realize that the majority of people in the community are bandits and that is why you've been preaching non-stop. No one cares about your vision xD

 

It's hilarious how you write your vision as if it's the same as the developers' vision. It's more hilarious how much you URGE for social interaction in this game. Social interactions bring so much fun blah blah blah I need interaction you guys make the majority blah blah blah blah. This isn't a survival co-op. It's a sandbox. It's amazing how you have yet to understand what a sandbox is.

I fail to see whaer I backpedal, again, as you do not specify it. A post containing many quotes of me does not your case make.

 

Point them out, I dare you. Double even. Do not just post, write your comments in between the lines and point them out, pretty please :)

 

And to comment on my apparent failure...

 

 

"It's hilarious how you write your vision as if it's the same as the developers' vision. It's more hilarious how much you URGE for social interaction in this game. Social interactions bring so much fun blah blah blah I need interaction you guys make the majority blah blah blah blah. This isn't a survival co-op. It's a sandbox. It's amazing how you have yet to understand what a sandbox is."

 

You claim I write my vision as if it was the developers vision. Where? I am logically trying to fathom why they do what they do, I am not stating what they do. Show me, and explain it. And why on earth do you assume I urge for social interaction? Are you making that up in your head? All I am saying, and that is a few times already without you even grasping it, is that the developers are adding stuff that cannot be explained in any other way than to encourage interaction between characters. It is not what I want, it is what I read out of the actions of the developers. Again, why would they add all this stuff if they did not intend for some character interaction other than killing? Riddle me that and how that in any way shape or form is me trying to tell you what the developers actually think or what is their actual agenda? I cannot know that, but I can make an educated guess. That is what I do and you twist that around to me claiming to know what's inside thair heads and that I crave interaction. False accusations without a hint of backup mate. Or rather, I think it's something related to self esteem.

 

You are creating, in your own head, statements and traits of me that simply isn't true, you lie, and you cannot handle that I oppose you.

 

A sandbox...

 

But I'm saving the best bit for last;

How can YOU state that this game isn't a survival co-op?  Back up your own statements please.

[or'dinii 28]

Oh my god. How I overlooked this post. Were you the asinine dude who was saying the Japanese are superior than Americans because they are more cultured?

 

Mmh. It would make sense because that racist guy was one monkey short of opening up a zoo.

Did you just call me racist? Are you flipped out on something?

 

Do you honestly deem me racist because I make observations? What planet are you from? I said nothing that elevated Japanese people over US people, and the only claim I made was that I  felt pity for US citizens for the never ending fearmongering they are subject to via mass media. I feel pity for americans and applayde the japanese, how is that racist, by any stretch of the immagination?

[crazyandlazy 376]

Did you just call me racist? Are you flipped out on something?

 

Do you honestly deem me racist because I make observations? What planet are you from? I said nothing that elevated Japanese people over US people, and the only claim I made was that I  felt pity for US citizens for the never ending fearmongering they are subject to via mass media. I feel pity for americans and applaude the japanese, how is that racist, by any stretch of the immagination?

 

I never said you were racist. Calm down. I was asking you if you were the guy that said those remarks.

 

 

I  felt pity for US citizens for the never ending fearmongering they are subject to via mass media. I feel pity for americans and applayde the japanese, how is that racist, by any stretch of the immagination?

 

 Can you elaborate? I want to understand your concept. A tad confusing for me to understand.

[crazyandlazy 376]

I fail to see whaer I backpedal, again, as you do not specify it. A post containing many quotes of me does not your case make.

 

Point them out, I dare you. Double even. Do not just post, write your comments in between the lines and point them out, pretty please :)

 

And to comment on my apparent failure...

 

 

"It's hilarious how you write your vision as if it's the same as the developers' vision. It's more hilarious how much you URGE for social interaction in this game. Social interactions bring so much fun blah blah blah I need interaction you guys make the majority blah blah blah blah. This isn't a survival co-op. It's a sandbox. It's amazing how you have yet to understand what a sandbox is."

 

You claim I write my vision as if it was the developers vision. Where? I am logically trying to fathom why they do what they do, I am not stating what they do. Show me, and explain it. And why on earth do you assume I urge for social interaction? Are you making that up in your head? All I am saying, and that is a few times already without you even grasping it, is that the developers are adding stuff that cannot be explained in any other way than to encourage interaction between characters. It is not what I want, it is what I read out of the actions of the developers. Again, why would they add all this stuff if they did not intend for some character interaction other than killing? Riddle me that and how that in any way shape or form is me trying to tell you what the developers actually think or what is their actual agenda? I cannot know that, but I can make an educated guess. That is what I do and you twist that around to me claiming to know what's inside thair heads and that I crave interaction. False accusations without a hint of backup mate. Or rather, I think it's something related to self esteem.

 

You are creating, in your own head, statements and traits of me that simply isn't true, you lie, and you cannot handle that I oppose you.

 

A sandbox...

 

But I'm saving the best bit for last;

How can YOU state that this game isn't a survival co-op?  Back up your own statements please.

 

I said "this isn't a survival co-op. It's a sandbox". Let me teach you what I meant. I was saying, in other words, co-op/interactions isn't the only way to play. I am not flat out starting a revolution to ignite the KoS in everyone lol .... xD

[Dontstealmycheese 118]

Who said I missed. You are all in my face lol. I manage to get a hit but he ran to cover. You'd know mosin can't 1 shot kill fully healed players.

Lrn2Hedshot, Kill tons of players with one shot.

[crazyandlazy 376]

Lrn2Hedshot, Kill tons of players with one shot.

 

Hitting the dome is boring bro. Try the legs!

[execpro22 128]

Funny how you claim, falsely, that I have stated how the developers say the game should be played,

 

 

Did you or did you not make an argument claiming due to the features that are being added to the game that the developers were trying to focus on a friendly playstyle?

 

 

 

 

 

All I am saying is that if they are of the opinion that the community will (be able to) turn DayZ into a pure PvP game I see no reason for them to do all the other work on the game, that they do.

 

 

How exactly would the community be able to turn DAYZ into a pure PVP game? Is there some sort of mind control device that will make friendlies change playstyle?

[DirtyscumbagLith 270]

good f'in shit. all you whiners who are on his ass. please stfu.

 

he can play the game any way he wants. he doesnt need your blessings.

 

go find a post and write ALPHA on it.

 

lemmings.

[execpro22 128]

good f'in shit. all you whiners who are on his ass. please stfu.

 

he can play the game any way he wants. he doesnt need your blessings.

 

go find a post and write ALPHA on it.

 

lemmings.

 

 

Everytime I look at your avatar I expect to see nipples, but never do :(

[crazyandlazy 376]

good f'in shit. all you whiners who are on his ass. please stfu.

 

he can play the game any way he wants. he doesnt need your blessings.

 

go find a post and write ALPHA on it.

 

lemmings.

 

did you see that one guy's posts. He had walls of texts. So passionate it's disturbing.

[DirtyscumbagLith 270]

Everytime I look at your avatar I expect to see nipples, but never do :(

 

One day, Chewy. One day.

 

Aaaarrrrrrooorrrrr!

[or'dinii 28]

Did you or did you not make an argument claiming due to the features that are being added to the game that the developers were trying to focus on a friendly playstyle?

I did claim that it is logical to assume that developers add features for a reason, that in turn makes it logical to assume that they are intended for character ineraction, as they are programmed in a way that two character or more are required to execute them. That is not the same as me stating what their intentions are.

 

 

 

 

 

How exactly would the community be able to turn DAYZ into a pure PVP game? Is there some sort of mind control device that will make friendlies change playstyle?

Why would it require mind control exactly? Majority in numbers is more than adequate.

Once again putting words in my mouth and hoping I won't notice?

[or'dinii 28]

I never said you were racist. Calm down. I was asking you if you were the guy that said those remarks. 

This was your question, quoted: "Were you the asinine dude who was saying Japanese are superior than Americans because thay are more cultured?"

- Asinine? Yeah, apparently you have great difficulties avoiding adding properties to my name that in no way is reflected in that post, despite me having already pointed that out to you on more than one occasion. You are repeating the process over and over.

- Superior? Another fail by you, I said they BEHAVED more civil in a CHRISIS situation.

- More cultured? Wtf are you on about?

- Calm down? What in my post indicates I am agitated? Care to point me to it, as I have asked you to do SEVERAL times? Again, adding properties to my name that is not true. It won't trun into that just because you have that distorted idea in your head.

 

 

 Can you elaborate? I want to understand your concept. A tad confusing for me to understand. A real shocked that you are confused, you cannot even distinguish up and down in your own posts.

I feel pity for US citizens for the simple reason that they are more or less being fed negatively and/or fear related news 24/7, and their government is much more willing to cater for big financial institutions than the well being of their own population. On top of that the former president set in motion processes that would lead to a situation where Americans could be detained on the grounds of virtually nothing, justified by the "need" to secure society after 9/11. There is nothing wrong with americans themselves, it is how they are shaped by a fubared government.

 

Now, what I expect of you is to take the text describing my pity, twist and turn it, apply statements that I have not made and ask me to explain an issue that isn't there. That is the pattern you show.

[Vertoxis 15]

I feel pity for US citizens for the simple reason that they are more or less being fed negatively and/or fear related news 24/7, and their government is much more willing to cater for big financial institutions than the well being of their own population. On top of that the former president set in motion processes that would lead to a situation where Americans could be detained on the grounds of virtually nothing, justified by the "need" to secure society after 9/11. There is nothing wrong with americans themselves, it is how they are shaped by a fubared government.

 

Now, what I expect of you is to take the text describing my pity, twist and turn it, apply statements that I have not made and ask me to explain an issue that isn't there. That is the pattern you show.

You also need to understand japanese culture

... As in... yes they can be more civilized in some cases..... and in other cases not

Japan is the #1 country in the world for reported rape and pedophilia ....

Hell.. they found a dude stuck in a drain under a sidewalk... his reason for being there ..... "I wanted to look up skirts" (pretty funny lolol) 

they also at one point found it perfectly acceptable and honorable to ram an over-fueled fighter jet into a ship...

Different people... different times... different culture... but human just the same

Watch the movie "Battle-Royale" ... an old japanese B film about a highschool class that gets picked under new japanese law.... they created a yearly "Game" where a class is picked and sent to an island and fight till the last man ... it was created in response to a growing epidemic of violence in the schools (students stabbing teachers and such) 

The crazy part about this movie is.... when it was released.. there really was a small problem with japanese youth not respecting authority.... 

So there was a little big of propaganda behind it

(and yes this movie came before the "Hunger Games" book... and takes a more sinister tone for the reason the game exists... there is no food shortage... they just literally did it to snap kids in line)

 

Edited February 28, 2014 by Vertoxis

[or'dinii 28]

did you see that one guy's posts. He had walls of texts. So passionate it's disturbing.

Now I need you to elaborate a little.

 

Cazn you elaborate on "wall of text"? I know it is indende to describe a large body of words, but I get the eerie feeling you are trying to use that phrase in a negative way, that "wall of text" is in some way, by a majority, defined as filibustering by default.

 

And, while we are at it;

 

Please see below. You seem uptight from your previous words.

Hehe, you so fully fulfill my expectations; Any person lacking a good arguement will revert to personal attacks/comments in order to have anything to say/have the last say. Congratulations, and thank you very much.

Mmh. It would make sense because that racist guy was one monkey short of opening up a zoo.

Did you just call me racist? Are you flipped out on something?

 

I never said you were racist. Calm down. I was asking you if you were the guy that said those remarks.

Funny thing here is that you were able to provide a twisted version of my post, meaning you had read it, meaning there was my nick, among other things, associated with that post. There was no need to ask if I was that person, IT WAS GIVEN TO YOU BY THIS FORUM in the form of my nick on that post...

 

Situational awareness and all that.

 

Thanks for making my weekend :)

 

And psssst....

Before I continue, please answer me this; How do you know I am passionate about KOS/PvP and not just trolling you?

[Slyguy65 499]

was near me.

 

He yelled "What the hell dude. Why are you shooting?"

 

which urged me to not rest until he is dead.

 

Anyone else feels that way? Like when I hear the magical word of "I'm friendly" but I do not like the tone of his voice or how he moves around, I want to off the dude that said it.

Murica

[or'dinii 28]

You also need to understand japanese culture

... As in... yes they can be more civilized in some cases..... and in other cases not

Japan is the #1 country in the world for reported rape and pedophilia ....

Hell.. they found a dude stuck in a drain under a sidewalk... his reason for being there ..... "I wanted to look up skirts" (pretty funny lolol) 

they also at one point found it perfectly acceptable and honorable to ram an over-fueled fighter jet into a ship...

Different people... different times... different culture... but human just the same

Watch the movie "Battle-Royale" ... an old japanese B film about a highschool class that gets picked under new japanese law.... they created a yearly "Game" where a class is picked and sent to an island and fight till the last man ... it was created in response to a growing epidemic of violence in the schools (students stabbing teachers and such) 

The crazy part about this movie is.... when it was released.. there really was a small problem with japanese youth not respecting authority.... 

So there was a little big of propaganda behind it

(and yes this movie came before the "Hunger Games" book... and takes a more sinister tone for the reason the game exists... there is no food shortage... they just literally did it to snap kids in line)

 

Yes, indeed you have good points in there.

 

But, I get the feeling you and CrazyandLazy jump to conclusions on most occasions. The fact that I compare how two nation's citizens reacted in crisis situations, and that I said good things about one of them, again in one example, seems to lead the both of you to the conclusion that I hold the Japanese in a higher regard than Americans. Apologies for that, wrong person, please disregard the strike.

 

Why? Why is that your first, and seemingly only, conclusion?

 

And this is not the first example, I have quoted a bunch, and asked for clarifications, and none have been provided.

 

Regarding teh semantics comment a while back, not accusing you of that, but commenting on it here (can't be arsed to go and see who wrote that);

The single reason this discussion has reverted to semantics is that there is a one way flow of arguements supporting only one side of the debate.

 

The only thing that goes in the opposite direction is "Learn what sandbox is", and no sensible arguements as to justify KOS. I am not demaning that you justify your KOS, don't get me wrong, but I would think that if you really were thinking that KOS'ing is the way to go one would at least supply some sort of sensible arguement rather than falsely making remarks of the opposing side's personal properties, which is miles off topic, at best.

 

To clarify one last thing, the Japanese/American post I made is exponentially more related to this game than the sexual preferences of the Japanese. I was using a disaster backdrop to show human tendencies.

Edited February 28, 2014 by or'dinii

[execpro22 128]

Once again putting words in my mouth and hoping I won't notice?

 

 

Love arguing semantics and changing your wording around when you get called out huh? I didnt put any words in your mouth that werent already coming out of it....

 

 

If you want to keep changing the goal posts and back pedaling on your arguments thats fine, but you cant really win an argument doing that,...

[Martmital 436]

Why do we even need to justify our actions on a computer game?

[or'dinii 28]

Love arguing semantics and changing your wording around when you get called out huh? I didnt put any words in your mouth that werent already coming out of it....

 

 

If you want to keep changing the goal posts and back pedaling on your arguments thats fine, but you cant really win an argument doing that,...

Again, point it out to me, do not just repeat the accusation.

[crazyandlazy 376]

I am not demaning that you justify your KOS, don't get me wrong, but I would think that if you really were thinking that KOS'ing is the way to go one would at least supply some sort of sensible arguement rather than falsely making remarks of the opposing side's personal properties, which is miles off topic, at best.

 

To clarify one last thing, the Japanese/American post I made is exponentially more related to this game than the sexual preferences of the Japanese. I was using a disaster backdrop to show human tendencies.

 

We already explained to you that it is a sandbox. Thus, we don't need to supply you with anything to justify what we do in a game. The only reason you are still babbling on and on and on is because you can't come to accept that

 

a] people can play however they want in this game because it's a sandbox and

b] most people don't care about player interaction as much as you oh so desire and currently make up the bulk/majority of the game population

 

Also see a quote from a fellow forum member below. We are not twisting things. We are reading from what you've wrote. You are the one who is acually blind on everything. Are you always this dense?

 

Why do we even need to justify our actions on a computer game?

 

 

again I quote

 

 

I am not demaning that you justify your KOS, don't get me wrong, but ....

 

I know it's alpha but ...

I know it's rude but ...

I know you are busy but ...

 

Commenting on your off-topic subject of you comparing Japanese and American's, it is quite pathetic. You have some issues. Plus, we never asked for your philosophical views. Please refrain from sharing them.

 

In case people are wondering, there was an old topic way back of a guy sprouting nonsesnse stating Japanese were much more civil than Americans after the event of a disater. We see this pop up again and it was raised from this guy. That is all I am going to say.