Admins Shutting Servers Down When They Get Killed

[DeatHTaX 1217]

That, and admins kicking you as soon as you join, making your reconnect timer max out. 

 

 

[Solopopo 330]

With fairly high success rate, yes. Elektro is the most server hopped city in the game. This particular time I server hopped into the school of Elektro, arguably the biggest hotspot for PvP/Looting in the game. I ran into the admin camping in said hotspot not long after, which shouldn't come as much of a surprise. I do not set out to do this. It's a chance occurrence that happens every now and then when I'm gearing to switch to a high populated server to PvP. Although you totally could set out to do this and eventually find someone to kill.  I'm surprised two people got hung up by this. Such badness on these forums. I love that you went through all that trouble to make that meme though. I feel special. Your sig is also pretty amusing too.  

Edited February 23, 2014 by Solopopo

[rickenbacker 190]

Several times you've killed the only other person on the server? I stopped there. 

 

Well, if you server hop, you're quite likely to log in in the same room as the other server hopper on there... 

[The-MCV- 149]

Admins are almost all the time sad people lol. I've been saved by this once so I don't mind, but still sad.

[Solopopo 330]

Well, if you server hop, you're quite likely to log in in the same room as the other server hopper on there... 

Beans for using your brain.

[dvsilverwing 241]

With fairly high success rate, yes. Elektro is the most server hopped city in the game. This particular time I server hopped into the school of Elektro, arguably the biggest hotspot for PvP/Looting in the game. I ran into the admin camping in said hotspot not long after, which shouldn't come as much of a surprise. I do not set out to do this. It's a chance occurrence that happens every now and then when I'm gearing to switch to a high populated server to PvP. Although you totally could set out to do this and eventually find someone to kill.  I'm surprised two people got hung up by this. Such badness on these forums. I love that you went through all that trouble to make that meme though. I feel special. Your sig is also pretty amusing too.  

 

I thought constantly joining 1 person servers sounded kind of fishy in the OP, but now you've kind of admitted to server hopping pretty openly. I mean, I understand that it sucks that gear doesn't respawn (and that respawning items would completely fix hopping), but that's generally frowned upon in this community.

 

Also, thanks.

[CrazyCorky 40]

I can assure you that a server restart DOES NOT restore gear. After seeing this thread I tested it on mine with a friend. He killed me, I instantly restarted the server, Came back as a fresh spawn. Something such as death is something instantly recognized by the server and is saved to the hive.

 

I also have to say that it's quite suspicious that you kill the only other person on the server. Why not just leave him be and move on to the next place?

[Solopopo 330]

I thought constantly joining 1 person servers sounded kind of fishy in the OP, but now you've kind of admitted to server hopping pretty openly. I mean, I understand that it sucks that gear doesn't respawn (and that respawning items would completely fix hopping), but that's generally frowned upon in this community.

 

Also, thanks.

I'm fully aware that it is frowned upon, but that is irrelevant to the topic at hand. Many a thread has been derailed because of this, and it's foolish. If anything server hopping gives you better insight into the game's mechanics.

Edited February 23, 2014 by Solopopo

[Solopopo 330]

I can assure you that a server restart DOES NOT restore gear. After seeing this thread I tested it on mine with a friend. He killed me, I instantly restarted the server, Came back as a fresh spawn. Something such as death is something instantly recognized by the server and is saved to the hive.

 

I also have to say that it's quite suspicious that you kill the only other person on the server. Why not just leave him be and move on to the next place?

"There are, however, ways of combating hackers without breaking the rules. Shut the server down IMMEDIATELY - This will most likely end up in a Hive rollback and any users who died will most likely get their gear back. THIS IS NOT FOOLPROOF. IT DOES NOT WORK ALL THE TIME." 

 

You cannot "assure" me or anyone that it does not work. It has been known you can do this from day one.

Edited February 23, 2014 by Solopopo

[MagneticToast 102]

My buddy killed an admin once, and then he restarted the server. I'm glad though because he got a lucky shot off on me beforehand.

[Camisado2 83]

I host a server and have never manually restarted it. I actually have a hard time meeting people. So I would never think to manually boot everyone.

Anyway, search CamisadoGamez for my server. I promise I'll treat you right!

[CrazyCorky 40]

"There are, however, ways of combating hackers without breaking the rules. Shut the server down IMMEDIATELY - This will most likely end up in a Hive rollback and any users who died will most likely get their gear back. THIS IS NOT FOOLPROOF. IT DOES NOT WORK ALL THE TIME." You cannot "assure" me that it doesn't work. It has been known you can do this from day one. 

 

Let me go test it about another 30 times and I will let you know the outcome.... Wait.. Then I might get reported for abuse by someone server hopping and killing the only other person on the map. 

 

The death is instantly registered on the hive and it saves that position unlike when you are just standing around on a restart doing nothing.

[Solopopo 330]

Look, I was trying to help you because you do not seem to get the reality of your special situation. Ill leave you with this..

 

The link you yourself provided for server admins has this to say at the top:

 

What you should know before purchasing a server

• Hosting a server will get you no in-game reward or advantage. You're just another sucker like the rest of us. People are going to think that you have all of these wonder scripts that you can do to restore gear, stop hackers, etc. NOPE.
• You will get a lot of flak from the community, whether you're deserving of it or not. (OMG SERVER ADMIN ABUSE)

 

Thats right. The second line states you will get grief. Its a known issue by the admins and server owners that people will complain about abuse. So when you go into a server that is empty, save you and the admin and he gets killed.. now mind you he has been instructed to watch for hackers and told to restart as a best option.. what do you think he is left to presume? That you just happened to find him? I sure would be skeptical if it was me.

 

Now if say you get your way in the end, then a server admin has no recourse to combat server hackers and must wait it out for a natural restart. Because when there are only 2 people in a 15 sq. km map, and one kills the other it feels a little off. But if the poor guy restarts and then gets his server admin status pulled with no refund how do you think he feels? Now if you complained about servers restarting when the admin gets killed, in normally populated servers then you have a genuine complaint for abuse and that SHOULD BE LOOKED INTO. But what you're doing is making yourself look suspect by killing the only guy in game with you, and you do it enough it seems to be a personal problem. That is why I felt the best advice would be to let it go as an issue, and just adapt your way of playing. Apparently that was out of line for me to do. So good luck with getting this looked into, and finding out if its a serious issue that everyone else is seeing. Because I guess its a trade off of badmin rollback abuse, and combatting hackers. I will continue to enjoy my delicious popcorn that you helped provide me with.. thank you sir.

 

Good night, and good luck :)

I would actually like to amend what I previously posted in response to this, now that I have had the time to read it fully. Admins who restart the server to get their own gear back are abusing their server admin status. Through my server hopping it has been made clear when this is happening, whereas I might not otherwise have noticed. That does not mean it's only happening to server hoppers. It is in no way a "special situation." This happens to me often, and there are many players who have come out and said that this has happened to them. On Reddit people are even openly admitting to abusing their admin status. I have had this happen to me in full and empty servers. People are just not realizing that it's happening. It still only negatively affects one player even if the server is full. Everyone else will just get back to what they were doing thinking it was a regular server reset, but I've wittnessed servers resetting at the oddest times. I'm sure you have too.  Every time that happens it is likely the admin just died.

 

People should know what admins are doing. I'm not suggesting that admins should lose their ability to reset servers. I never said that anywhere. That doesn't mean the problem can't be addressed.

 

http://www.reddit.com/r/dayz/comments/1ynzi9/admins_shutting_down_servers_when_they_die/cfm6xld

"I know someone who does this ;) We also kick people to kill them and take their loot."

 

I hope that popcorn was tasty  :D

Edited February 27, 2014 by Solopopo

[Solopopo 330]

Let me go test it about another 30 times and I will let you know the outcome.... Wait.. Then I might get reported for abuse by someone server hopping and killing the only other person on the map. 

 

The death is instantly registered on the hive and it saves that position unlike when you are just standing around on a restart doing nothing.

How about you don't bother testing at all because this is confirmed, which has be stated a dozen times already. Don't bother posting either, if you have nothing to contribute but childish remarks. "Shut the server down IMMEDIATELY - This will most likely end up in a Hive rollback." Its right there in plain English man. Why are you so defensive? I haven't proposed any changes to your precious admin power. Is the fact that people are catching on to admin abuse bothering you perhaps?

Edited February 23, 2014 by Solopopo

[CrazyCorky 40]

How about you don't bother testing at all because this is confirmed, which has be stated a dozen times already. Don't bother posting either, if you have nothing to contribute but childish remarks. Why are you so defensive? I haven't proposed any changes to your precious admin power. 

 

It's funny how you say I have had nothing to add to the post. I have tried what you suggested happens and can prove that it doesn't give gear back. All it does it keep the person who killed them from looting the body. Mind you when you kill some one 75% of the stuff is ruined anyway. So as I stated in my previous post just move onto the next server instead of killing the only other person on the server. Or god forbid move onto a new area to get loot.

[Solopopo 330]

It's funny how you say I have had nothing to add to the post. I have tried what you suggested happens and can prove that it doesn't give gear back. All it does it keep the person who killed them from looting the body. Mind you when you kill some one 75% of the stuff is ruined anyway. So as I stated in my previous post just move onto the next server instead of killing the only other person on the server. Or god forbid move onto a new area to get loot.

Dude, can you read? The hive doesn't role back every time. You only tried it once. What are you missing here? Do I need to spoon feed you? There is no argument. It is possible to roll back the hive as an admin by shutting down the server. It doesn't work every time. End of story. What about this are you having trouble processing? Basic scientific method? You tested it one time when it is explicitly stated in the sticky thread of the server administrator forums that it does happen, but not all the time.

 

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/55657-start-here-a-beginners-guide-to-dayz-servers-and-administration

 

http://www.reddit.com/r/dayz/comments/1ynzi9/admins_shutting_down_servers_when_they_die/

 

Do you seriously need more proof? Stop beating a dead horse. I am not continuing to argue with you to prove something that's been known from day one. I am not responding to you either if you refuse to acknowledge facts. 

Edited February 23, 2014 by Solopopo

[herrjon 478]

Badmins will be badmins, no matter how much you restrict their powers, they'll find something to exploit.  Feel free to report until you're blue in the face, but they'll always be the there.

 

Best thing to do is find the servers that are actually fair and run things correctly and stick to those.  Sure it may limit your options, but there is more than just one good server, if you truly insist on server hopping.

[Solopopo 330]

Badmins will be badmins, no matter how much you restrict their powers, they'll find something to exploit.  Feel free to report until you're blue in the face, but they'll always be the there.

 

Best thing to do is find the servers that are actually fair and run things correctly and stick to those.  Sure it may limit your options, but there is more than just one good server, if you truly insist on server hopping.

I truly do insist. I have I life to live outside of DayZ. Anything to save time I'm going to do. This isn't something that happens so often it's always hurting my experience playing, but it happens often enough. I'm always going for the big fish, and the biggest, baddest group is typically the group playing with the admin. It can be frustrating surviving a fight in which you were outnumbered, and at a disadvantage, only to not be able to reap the reward. But I've killed and died enough times not too care too much about any one death in particular. As long as people know this is happening, I'm okay with it, which I've stated earlier in the thread. Bests of luck in your future Day Z endeavors. 

Edited February 23, 2014 by Solopopo

[brzator47@gmail.com 524]

A server hopper complaining about unfair exploits?

 

[Solopopo 330]

A server hopper complaining about unfair exploits?

 

Every time this comes up in a thread it completely distracts from the topic at hand, as if it is relevant in any way. As if what I do personally has anything to do with the fact of admin abuse. It is because of my server hopping that I was able to see for myself this abuse. I've made threads against server hopping, and now I've made a thread against admin abuse. There is a timer now. Server hopping is no longer exploiting. Exploiting would be somehow shortening the timer. Everyone can server hop. The playing field is even. Only an admin can resurrect his dead body. You can't report server hopping. It is not a punishable offense; admin abuse is. Even Rocket server hops; watch him stream sometime. Smart people don't force inconvenience on themselves. Why should anyone personally care about server hopping. Benefit from it or don't, it's your choice. It's not going to stop other people from doing it, so it's just silly not to. Really silly. Like, retarded silly.   

Edited February 23, 2014 by Solopopo

[herrjon 478]

Every time this comes up in a thread it completely distracts from the topic at hand, as if it is relevant in any way. As if what I do personally has anything to do with the fact of admin abuse. I've made threads against server hopping. There is a timer now. It is no longer exploiting. Exploiting would be somehow shortening the timer. Everyone can server hop. The playing field is even. Only an admin can resurrect his dead body. Even Rocket server hops.

 

And yet you keep bringing it up and going on rants about it.

 

Anyways, I'm not sure what else there is to be discussed at this point.  You've said you don't want to limit admin's tools, and I personally made a suggestion to stick to known, fair server (which you even liked) so what, just making people aware of the situation?  For those who didn't have enough brains to know there were abusive admins, I'd say mission accomplished.

[Solopopo 330]

And yet you keep bringing it up and going on rants about it.

 

Anyways, I'm not sure what else there is to be discussed at this point.  You've said you don't want to limit admin's tools, and I personally made a suggestion to stick to known, fair server (which you even liked) so what, just making people aware of the situation?  For those who didn't have enough brains to know there were abusive admins, I'd say mission accomplished.

As soon as one admits to server hopping on his forum, anything he would have to say about anything, right, or wrong, is discredited. That's ad hominem logical fallacy, and I've gotten pretty tired of it. It happens every time. Ad hominem fallacy is rampant on these boards. I'm only anticipating peoples discrediting bullshit posts. 

 

As for the purpose of this thread, I am not proposing a solution, but that doesn't mean I don't think the problem should be addressed. Why do you assume just because I don't have a suggestion to offer about how to fix it, that I don't think the problem should be fixed? Even if I had a suggestion it would just be discredited because I am a server hopper. Making people aware of the situation is my purpose, and continuing to discuss in this thread will only serve to keep the thread at the top of the boards where more people will see it. I have nothing more to add to this thread, but feel free to keep bumping it. I will continue to respond. If enough people bitch about something on these forums, the developers will address the problem one way or another. It's how we got our server hopping timer. I contributed to anti-server hopping discussion, as I will continue to contribute to admin abuse discussion. And I will unapologetically point out when someone is committing logical fallacy along the way, and do my best not to be reduced to their level (Although I am not always successful. Some people around here just refuse reason altogether. It can be very frustrating) 

Edited February 23, 2014 by Solopopo

[chow 55]

I'd boot your ass too. Excellent response to a server hopper IMHO.

[CrazyCorky 40]

I believe that you openly admit to server hopping shouldn't be held against you. However people have made suggestions on how you can avoid such things. You're not the only one to complain about and has been reported.

 

As to your post referring to what I said I will gladly test it multiple times to help prove or disprove what's being said. However if we really want to implement a scientific method we would need more than just 1 server, and would have to possibly try it 100 times or more. If it's a known issue that's fine. Yes it is stated to be a known problem but it does not work 100% of the time. 

 

Even if the server is shut down right after the death you would be moving on to a different server anyway. So all that loot you thought you were getting you can get from a different server.

[Solopopo 330]

I'd boot your ass too. Excellent response to a server hopper IMHO.

There is nothing excellent about ad hominem logical fallacy. There's a reason we aren't in the dark ages anymore. 

 

 

I believe that you openly admit to server hopping shouldn't be held against you. However people have made suggestions on how you can avoid such things. You're not the only one to complain about and has been reported.

 

As to your post referring to what I said I will gladly test it multiple times to help prove or disprove what's being said. However if we really want to implement a scientific method we would need more than just 1 server, and would have to possibly try it 100 times or more. If it's a known issue that's fine. Yes it is stated to be a known problem but it does not work 100% of the time. 

 

Even if the server is shut down right after the death you would be moving on to a different server anyway. So all that loot you thought you were getting you can get from a different server.

However people have made suggestions on how you can avoid such things. You're not the only one to complain about and has been reported.

I don't understand what you are saying. What things? Who's been reported?

 

if we really want to implement a scientific method

Again dude, I really don't want to implement any sort of scientific method. Straight from the developer's mouth admins have the power to shut down a server, which most of the time initiates a hive rollback.

 

Yes it is stated to be a known problem but it does not work 100% of the time. 

It is not stated to be a known "problem." Developers do not see this as a problem. They gave admins the power to shut servers down and initiate a hive rollback to undo damage caused by hackers. Using it for any other reason is admin abuse. Reported admins get punished, in theory at least.

 

Even if the server is shut down right after the death you would be moving on to a different server anyway. So all that loot you thought you were getting you can get from a different server.

Sure, I could move on and get over it. I have long ago. But it doesn't change the fact that admins are abusing their power to bring themselves back to life. It is against the rules for admins to do this. You could say this about just about anything wrong with the game. "Zombies running through walls? Just get over it." It's not a very strong argument and doesn't lead to any sort of solution.

 

Thank you for being civil. Best of luck to you in your Day Z endeavors. 

 

Note: Copying your response directly from the quote messed up the colors. I'm just leaving it as is. 

Edited February 23, 2014 by Solopopo