New Player Story

[azar (DayZ) 1]

Right, so I'm a new player to dayz standalone (played around with the mod a bit), but have lurked on the forums quite a bit (got the game about a week ago) and this is my story...

 

I start out next to a large city. Find an abandoned industrial building, all the doors are closed so I'm pretty sure it hasn't been looted. I go inside and close the doors behind me, thinking to myself that I don't want to alert anyone who stumbles upon the building that there might be a player nearby.  I find a shotgun along with ammo on the second floor, sweet! First thing I find in the game is a gun? I'm on a roll. I figure out how to load it and proceed up to the second floor where I'm instantly shot in the back. I run for cover in a nearby room. I'm alive but my screen is black and white. He shot about 4-5 times but I figure he only hit me once in the legs because my jeans were ruined. I know where he is, in a nook behind the stairway... probably waiting for me to come up because he heard me rummaging around downstairs, but I'm pretty sure he is a server hopper because all of the doors in the building were closed and nobody came in behind me or I would have seen them.  So I go prone in the room and watch the open doorway... I have a clear view of the top of the staircase so there is no way to escape downstairs, he either has to wait me out or rush me in the room.

 

A few minutes pass. Nothing happens. I get impatient and poke my head around the corner. He isn't there. I check the entire building and he is gone. The doors downstairs are still closed. He combat logged, no other way he could've escaped. Like I said I had a clear view of the top of the staircase the entire standoff and he didn't go down it.

 

Wow... REALLY? I got nothing against the way he ambushed me, there is nothing dishonorable in surprise. But the fact that he was cowardly enough to ambush me and combat log like a little girl when the fight didn't go his way pissed me off to no end.

 

So I cool off and loot a few more buildings. I find a splitting axe, and have a nice little stockpile of canned goods in a green taloon backpack I found. I eat some food and drink a whole bunch of sodas and my vision is returning to color so I know I'm getting my health back.

 

I find a large industrial building full of loot. (The one with the metal staircases leading up to a sort of tower, I think it's a garage of some sort?) I figure it's going to take me awhile to loot so I want to get on top of it to see if there is any danger. My caution pays off and I see a fellow survivor heading in my direction. He doesn't have a gun, but he is making a beeline for the building I'm in. I wait until he is inside and climb down the ladders.

 

I pull my shotgun out and jump around the corner, and sure enough he is right there looting stuff. I say "Hey, hands up man!", he puts his hands up and says "don't shoot me, I'm unarmed!". Apart from a splitting axe on his back he appears to not have any guns on him so I tell him "Relax man, I'm not going to kill you unless you make me. I'm not going to take any of your stuff either, just turn around and get out of here."

 

So he turns and runs out and I watch him a bit to make sure he isn't doubling back or anything. He isn't so I loot the first floor of the building. Then I proceed to go upstairs and loot the tower. On my way down to the bottom floor I see a flash of movement under the metal stairs. It's the same guy (same clothes and splitting axe) and he has his axe drawn. I don't have time to react and he whacks me once and I go unconscious (really? one hit?).

 

The only way I could think that this happened is that the second I stopped watching him he doubled back and saw me go upstairs. Reasoning that I would have to come back down at some point he waited under the staircase in a spot where the only way I could see him is if it was too late.

 

So I'm unconscious but I know my mic still works. So I say "Hey man i know it's you. Ok you got me, you can have anything you want out of my stuff, but please leave me alive. I could have easily killed you when I found you and I didn't. It's only polite to return the favor."

 

He doesn't say a word to me and about 10 seconds later I get the "you are dead message", which means he finished me off with his axe or took my shotgun and killed me with it.

 

REALLY? I posed no threat to him, he could have just taken my stuff and left me there but he killed me, even when I was in a position to kill him and let him go. The only reason I could think of for doing this was to grief/troll me. That's an awesome thanks for the guy who just spared your life.

 

Lesson learned. From now on anyone I see I'm shooting. Even if they are unarmed.

 

Are all the players this cowardly and shitty?

Edited February 17, 2014 by azar

[The Aquatic Land Walrus 565]

They're assholes. Almost 95% of the people you meet would gladly murder you.

[azar (DayZ) 1]

I mean I know this is the zombie apocalypse... People are going to be assholes.

 

Killing someone and taking their stuff, or robbing people SHOULD be somewhat normal.

 

Its just that of the first two people I run across when I first play the game. One is a serverhopping combat logger, the other is a massive asshat griefer who kills me for no reason after I spare his life. I genuinely hope the entire community isn't like this. Glad I won't have to find out, like I said I'm shooting anything that moves on sight now, even if they surrender, and even if they are unarmed freshspawns. Can't risk them doubling back and following me, waiting for the opportune moment to strike.

[Old_Crow_Whiskey 119]

 

 From now on anyone I see I'm shooting. Even if they are unarmed. Are all the players this cowardly and shitty?

You answered your own question in a roundabout way. If you're the type of player to shoot everyone on sight you also propagate the same play style you claim to despise. Are you this cowardly and shitty? Hopefully you have a better understanding of how KoS players are created now.

 

You need to learn lessons each time you die, and adjust your play style accordingly based on this new wisdom, accounting for circumstance and gear. You were careless and you paid for your carelessness but there are so many lessons here. You can hear player footsteps easily if you're wearing decent headphones and in a high traffic loot building you need to pay super close attention and/or have a spotter. The building you were in with the tower (the firehouse) is a major killing zone - very very dangerous area that you should only visit if you are very well armed or desperate. Axe man was more desperate than you... you also have to consider that you pulled a gun on this guy, then proceeded to increase your vulnerability by cornering yourself instead of leaving the area ASAP. You hopefully see now that your gun cannot make up for a lack of tactical thinking. You can't just pull a gun on someone and expect to make friends that way. You can't halfway mug a guy in this game, it's like halfway fucking a guy in the ass. Next time you either mug a guy properly (disarmed, bare minimum) or you make voice contact and start figuring things out.

 

Systematic self examination will get you further than any other single thing you can do. Don't worry so much about how other people play the game... you can only control how you play.

Edited February 17, 2014 by Old_Crow_Whiskey

[KingOfTime 267]

hate....leads to the dark side of the force. You cant stop people from being douches by being a douche. Also, check your corners.

[kennyomg 1]

A few days before the combat log patch was implemented my 30+ hr char wiped due to an asshole admin kicking me repeatedly (kept logging back in as I had a box with important stuff on the ground, just wanted to pick it up). Anyway, welcome to the coast, I spawn in the burbs of Elektro. Make my way to the firehouse, find an axe and some other stuff, climb down the tower when I pass another guy on the ground floor. He has a fire extinguisher in his hands and is charging at me. I draw my axe, he promptly stops, puts the thing away and waves towards me. I wave back, he goes up the tower, I proceed south-west.

 

Over the next 10 minutes we bump into each other quite a few times in Elektro, there is no issue, we just peacefully race to the next building to loot whatever we can before the other. We make it to the west end (with the school), I decide to go for the power lines and then head towards Cherno. As I look back, sure there's the guy running after me, I notice he has a splitting axe now. He keept panting in his mic, and woofing (maybe? hard to tell), no words at all. A few times he thinks he caught up with me, grabs the axe to swing but I guess having 200+ ping was for once on my side. Anyway he loses track of me in the hills (or so I think), I make it to Dubky (NE burb of Cherno), make it into the school, loot the top and floor below that (with the weapon spawns). Sure on my way down I see him going into the middle floor so I promptly get out and go for the other building. I find a Mosin on the top, proceed to load it and head down expecting to find him there. Sure enough he's down there panting, axe drawn. My internet connection drops. *sigh*

 

Anyway moral of the story for me is that many people will behave "nice" as long as you have the upper hand but will become total asses right at the moment they think they have a chance of getting away with it. Even if you let them live before.

 

Like the bambi I encountered about a km inland somwhere in the hills, Gave him a can opener, some food, etc, he came at me with his fists when he thought I was in my inventory. Drew a magnum, asked him wtf he was doing, he apologized, then a minute later tried again. *sigh*

 

Or the guy I encountered on Green Mountain. He said "Friendly", I just waved at him. We went on to clear the Z's (back then there were quite a few lounging around), I put my axe away, proceed to look around while the guy puts his axe in my back. *sigh*

 

I guess anyone could tell you a million of these stories. Never let your guard down and if it smells fishy it is fishy and just kill them.

Edited February 17, 2014 by kennyomg

[Wheunis 228]

Welcome to DayZ.

 

Trust nobody. Even so-called "friendlys" might just run around with you for 30 minutes to cap you in the skull while youre not looking.

[Target-UK 7]

Always a good idea to carry cuffs, even a new spawn can box you unconscious with 1 good hit.

 

It may not of been polite on his part but at the end of the day you had some decent loot, he had nothing. 9 times out of 10 it goes down the same way. 

[Nicko2580 398]

 

Are all the players this cowardly and shitty?

Well, you weren't. You let him walk away which I thought was awesome. 

Don't go to the dark side. If you got the drop on me and told me to go away like that, I would have. And if I got the drop on you, chances are if you complied for a moment until I could assess the situation, I'd trade some stuff with you or help kit you out if I had more gear. 

Don't give in to your fear. The path of the dark side, it is.

[azar (DayZ) 1]

You answered your own question in a roundabout way. If you're the type of player to shoot everyone on sight you also propagate the same play style you claim to despise. Are you this cowardly and shitty? Hopefully you have a better understanding of how KoS players are created now.

 

You need to learn lessons each time you die, and adjust your play style accordingly based on this new wisdom, accounting for circumstance and gear. You were careless and you paid for your carelessness but there are so many lessons here. You can hear player footsteps easily if you're wearing decent headphones and in a high traffic loot building you need to pay super close attention and/or have a spotter. The building you were in with the tower (the firehouse) is a major killing zone - very very dangerous area that you should only visit if you are very well armed or desperate. Axe man was more desperate than you... you also have to consider that you pulled a gun on this guy, then proceeded to increase your vulnerability by cornering yourself instead of leaving the area ASAP. You hopefully see now that your gun cannot make up for a lack of tactical thinking. You can't just pull a gun on someone and expect to make friends that way. You can't halfway mug a guy in this game, it's like halfway fucking a guy in the ass. Next time you either mug a guy properly (disarmed, bare minimum) or you make voice contact and start figuring things out.

 

Systematic self examination will get you further than any other single thing you can do. Don't worry so much about how other people play the game... you can only control how you play.

 

There is a difference between simply killing on sight, and backstabbing someone who spared your life. One is a preventative measure, the other is just assholery.

 

No... KOSing is not as bad as what this guy did, by many orders of magnitude.

 

I wasn't trying to mug him, I was trying to scare him off. I didn't want to kill him, nor did I want to steal his gear. I thought I was offering him a pretty sweet deal. I don't pull the trigger, or take his shit, or make him swallow drain-o if he leaves the area immediately. I then watched him run away for a good minute until he was out of sight. I then cleared and looted the building, making sure to watch my surroundings (I had already been attacked by a serverhopper earlier if you read my story). As I was leaving by coming down from the tower he jumps out from behind a staircase (I could not have seen him there as I was coming down, even with third person until it was too late), and oneshots me.

 

Personally I don't see what I could have done "better" except shot him as soon as I saw him instead of trusting him to be sane and take my deal.

 

Fuck he even pleaded with me not to shoot him.

 

Add that to the fact that he killed me out of spite for no reason. Once I was unconscious he could have just taken my gear and left me there. But for some reason he felt he had to punish me for not killing him as soon as I saw him.

 

All of this after getting shot in the back by a severhopper who then combat logs when the battle didn't go his way.

 

You're right, I can only control the way I play. So I'm going to shoot to kill as soon as I see something move. Something like this will never happen again. I'm adapting my play-style and learning from my mistakes right?

Edited February 17, 2014 by azar

[taikonaut 85]

but I'm pretty sure he is a server hopper because all of the doors in the building were closed and nobody came in behind me 

 

...

 

I don't have time to react and he whacks me once and I go unconscious (really? one hit?).

 

...

 

Are all the players this cowardly and shitty?

 

1. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe he just closed the door behind him to lure you in, which is a common tactic.

 

2. Given to the fact that you have been shot before, you´re lucky that you survived that blow. And... well... a blow from an axe is quite painful and might send you unconscious in real life, wouldn´t it? :)

 

3. Well... I´d say no. I play as very outgoing and communicative since the mod started and I haven´t regretted it, yet. Despite of the fact that you get shot in face from time to time for no reason at all. But thats part of the game. Don´t get attached to your gear, you´ll lose it anyways soon. And gearing up as a fresh spawn is a nice and refreshing experience after running around wearing the same sticky pants for 3 weeks.

 

Oh... and welcome to Chernarus. Enjoy your stay. :)

[The Aquatic Land Walrus 565]

I mean I know this is the zombie apocalypse... People are going to be assholes.

 

Killing someone and taking their stuff, or robbing people SHOULD be somewhat normal.

 

Its just that of the first two people I run across when I first play the game. One is a serverhopping combat logger, the other is a massive asshat griefer who kills me for no reason after I spare his life. I genuinely hope the entire community isn't like this. Glad I won't have to find out, like I said I'm shooting anything that moves on sight now, even if they surrender, and even if they are unarmed freshspawns. Can't risk them doubling back and following me, waiting for the opportune moment to strike.

I'm talking about in game. It isn't normal for a person to brutally murder everyone they see IRL. It chips away at their sanity.

[Window Licker 504]

Fuck he even pleaded with me not to shoot him.

The more I play DayZ I'm more inclined to kill these people, I sometimes kill on sight but that depends on a number of factors. I've never pleaded for my life, I'll not give anyone the satisfaction of hearing me grovel, life is cheap, this is alpha and I can re-gear without too much hassle.  Also anyone saying "swear to god" and "I'm not even lying" or other phrases to try and convince you they are honest, shoot them, axe them, punch them.. in the back, they are setting you up.

 

Welcome to DayZ

Edited February 17, 2014 by Window Licker

[azar (DayZ) 1]

1. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe he just closed the door behind him to lure you in, which is a common tactic.

 

2. Given to the fact that you have been shot before, you´re lucky that you survived that blow. And... well... a blow from an axe is quite painful and might send you unconscious in real life, wouldn´t it? :)

 

3. Well... I´d say no. I play as very outgoing and communicative since the mod started and I haven´t regretted it, yet. Despite of the fact that you get shot in face from time to time for no reason at all. But thats part of the game. Don´t get attached to your gear, you´ll lose it anyways soon. And gearing up as a fresh spawn is a nice and refreshing experience after running around wearing the same sticky pants for 3 weeks.

 

Oh... and welcome to Chernarus. Enjoy your stay. :)

 

1. Unlikely, unless he was camping up there for hours waiting for some poor guy to come in and try to loot the building. Which would make sense if it was a military base, but this was a starter area.

 

2. I got all of my health back after I ate and drank a bunch... Also a single axe swing will not incapacitate even a heavily wounded person IRL. Its actually very hard to kill someone with a bladed weapon unless you know what you are doing. Mortally wound? Sure. Instantly killing requires decapitation or a deep blow to the cranium.

 

3. I wasn't attached to my gear. I didn't have much besides a shotgun, some food, and a splitting axe. I was mad at the fact that the first two people I run across in the game EVER were scum.

 

Thanks for the welcome. I'm playing on a hardcore server now. I heard the Balota book exchange is a good server but it is always full.

 

I'm KOSing now. Or if I feel I don't have the upper hand in a situation I'm going to run. Sorry, it just isn't worth the risk.

 

There is a difference between being brave and being stupid. I see now that letting someone live is a stupid risk unless they are handcuffed or something.

[Ineedscoffee 464]

Well, you weren't. You let him walk away which I thought was awesome. 

Don't go to the dark side. If you got the drop on me and told me to go away like that, I would have. And if I got the drop on you, chances are if you complied for a moment until I could assess the situation, I'd trade some stuff with you or help kit you out if I had more gear. 

Don't give in to your fear. The path of the dark side, it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFnFr-DOPf8

What yoga fails to mention is intolerance, indescision, stubbornness, and control also lead to the dark side, which him and the jedi council are swimming in.

[Nicko2580 398]

 

 

2. I got all of my health back after I ate and drank a bunch... Also a single axe swing will not incapacitate even a heavily wounded person IRL. Its actually very hard to kill someone with a bladed weapon unless you know what you are doing. Mortally wound? Sure. Instantly killing requires decapitation or a deep blow to the cranium.

 

Poor choice of words! :p

Kill with a single swing? Yeah that's a bit harder. Incapacitate? Bloody easy with a heavy axe like the splitter or fireaxe. One good blow to the back or side of the head and you will be out like a light. Turn the blade sideways and hit them with the flat and it will work even better.

[azar (DayZ) 1]

Poor choice of words! :P

Kill with a single swing? Yeah that's a bit harder. Incapacitate? Bloody easy with a heavy axe like the splitter or fireaxe. One good blow to the back or side of the head and you will be out like a light. Turn the blade sideways and hit them with the flat and it will work even better.

 

Either way, your opponent isn't going down without a clean blow to the head. Which I know he didn't get because when he attacked me I was halfway down the stairs and my head was out of melee range.