Do a lot of people not know about the anti combat logger mechanic, or WHAT?

[crazykage 1063]

So yeah, while playing today, I encountered several people, and every single one of them (except the first) sat down when they realized I was nearby.

 

The first player I encountered was at the jail cell barracks in the Chapaevsk apartment complex (the one closest to balota airfield). he was inside the jail cell. As I opened the outer doors, I saw the open jail cell door, and imeadiately pulled my magnum. I walked inside, pie-ing my corners like a good marine should, and I saw him proned inside the cell. He was reaching for his gun (mistake. had he remained defenseless, I would have just turned around and left. As it was, I did what I did because I didn't want him to shoot me in the back), but I killed him by placing, ever so gently, 6 .357 bullets inside his skull. As I turned around, a SECOND player blitzed right past the jail door. Since my magnum was empty, and my mosin is not the best close quarters weapon, I switched to my axe to give chase. Just around the corner, right next to the stairs, there he was, in the process of sitting down.

 

I walked around to his front, spoke to him, tried to provoke a response. If he was just sitting down to indicate that he had no hostile intent, I would have let him go unmolested. But he gave no response. Just sat there, unmoving. So I poked his face with my fire axe to see if THAT would get him to move. It did. He laid down, and kindly allowed me to peruse his inventory, taking what I wanted. After hiding both bodies, I left.

 

Just down the road, I found another player running down the road towards me. As I was not on the road myself (I run off to the side, in the trees), I pulled my rifle, and stepped out onto it, rifle UP, but not ADSed. I made no move to point at him or otherwise appear hostile. Just stood there, in plain view, slightly off to the side of the road so as to not bar his path or imply that this was my intent. I was HOPING he either turn and go somewhere else, or approach slowly and not pull out a weapon so that we might proceed with interaction. INSTEAD, he popped a squat right there on the pavement. So I approached, thinking "Maybe he is simply trying to communicate that he has no hostile intent.". But like the second guy, this third guy failed to show in any way that there was still somebody home. So, I decided this was a good opportunity to check and see if the blade on my fire axe was still sharp. It was.

 

An hour or so later, I was in Vybor (stopped off at the green mountain facility first, it was totally ransacked), and saw a guy inside a building. I approached the building, and from outside, called out to him. I received zero response, so I pulled up my magnum, and proceeded to clear the building in the manner I was taught during my MOUT training in the Corps. I found him sitting in the corner, facing the wall like a disobedient child whose parents had told him to sit in the corner and think about what he had done. I tried to speak to him, but to no avail. So I decided to see if my magnum was still functioning. It was.

 

Next stop was the NWAF, and a rather stupid mistake on my part was thinking I might try running across the open field. I had failed to see the guy down the strip to my right at first, but I did notice him after I was already standing in the open. Good news was that I had used enough foresight to draw out my Mosin beforehand. When I DID see him, I immediately crouched, turned, and ADSed (this is NWAF. If I see you, Im not gonna fuck about with friendliness. If I think I can take you down with little risk to myself, its going to happen). I snapped off a shot right at his head. He seemed to go down, but a moment later I realized that the lucky bastard had ducked my shot!!! I realigned to take another shot but I stopped. "Is he??? NO WAY!" Yep. He had sat down. Right there, in the middle of the tarmac, he had just parked his ass squarely in the open. He was only about 100 meters away. I KNOW he saw me, rather than just happening to decide that this was a good place to log out for the night. I decided that this was an excellent opportunity to do some practice with my mosin, so I ran a little farther away, crouched, and gave his skull a present which was delivered at muzzle velocity.

 

Between all 5 of these players, I obtained enough ammunition and equipment that exploring the rest of NWAF was a moot point. I left the airfield and began my return to the southerly areas before logging out.

 

Every single one of these players was armed with a rifle at minimum (the first guy I killed preemptively had a pistol). All of them had ammunition. All of them could have easily put up a fight if they had wanted to. And all of them, excepting number one, sat down the moment they saw me or I revealed myself.

 

Am I that terrifying? Or do a LOT of people STILL not know that when you log out, you stick around for 30 seconds? I mean, I encountered FOUR combat loggers, IN A ROW!

 

Also, why are people so cowardly?

 

TL/DR: I found 4 combat loggers in a row today. All of them could have put up a fight and stood a chance. All of them died for their shameful cowardice.
 

[Whyherro123 2283]

I don't think they do. Recently, whenever I come across somebody, and let them know I see them (seriously people, don't run in the middle of the road. I, from the treeline just up the hill, can see you from farther than you can see me), they plunk their ass down and combat log. At least try to talk to me! : (

[Wheunis 228]

I spose at least some significant portion of the "WHY THE FARK IS MY CHARACTER BEEN RESET?!?!" threads here has at least some link to people being unaware...

[gerbilschooler 229]

I think combat loggers let the little loot whore that dwells within us all get the best of them... making them forget some of the finer points of a game like DayZ. Or maybe the adrenaline gets the best of them and a flight response to a stressful situation is instinctively "chosen". 

[koNtenT 36]

.. and proceeded to clear the building in the manner I was taught during my MOUT training in the Corps.

 

How do you clear buildings in that manner?? I'm actually legitimately curious as to your training? :o

Edited February 16, 2014 by koNtenT

[Wheunis 228]

How do you clear buildings in that manner?? I'm actually legitimately curious as to your training? :o

 

Rule #1: Slice the pie when entering a room.

 

Will post edit-in pic in a moment...

 

EDIT: to hell with pics, this civilian training example is pretty good. Not military standards, but good nonetheless.

 

http://www.wikihow.com/Clear-a-Building-with-a-Firearm

Edited February 16, 2014 by Wheunis

[crazykage 1063]

How do you clear buildings in that manner?? I'm actually legitimately curious as to your training? :o

 

To answer your question, the link below essentially outlines everything you would need to know as a civilian.

Rule #1: Slice the pie when entering a room.

 

Will post edit-in pic in a moment...

 

EDIT: to hell with pics, this civilian training example is pretty good. Not military standards, but good nonetheless.

 

http://www.wikihow.com/Clear-a-Building-with-a-Firearm

 

 

The military doctrine is much the same, with a little more complexity as it involves squad movements, rather than the individual. It also involves other techniques including flash bang suppression, non-entry point breaching (entering through the roof or a wall, using explosives, which defenders often do not expect), and other things. But the principal is essentially the same. Gradually clearing a room while exposing yourself as little as possible until you have either identified a threat or confirmed that it is empty.

 

I should also point out that while I understand the theory and implementation, my actual "training" involved me being dressed in civilian clothes, equipped with a very powerful airsoft AK-47, running from building to building laying CO2 powered booby traps, and shooting at all of my fellow marines (I was on the "OP-FOR" team). Needless to say, I had a blast that day. LOTS and LOTS of blasts.....ah. Good times.

[Wheunis 228]

 with a little more complexity as it involves squad movements, rather than the individual

 

That single facet alone turns a 3 page flyer into a 500 page manual...

Zoned. Manned. Single tip entry. Multi-tip entry.

 

Even just the sheer discipline of the zone coverage goes against your very human nature... it's insanely hard to unlearn instinctual behaviours. Ex: "Making up for a mistake someone else made in their zone = YOU FAIL!"

[antonioajc 500]

I have an inquiry about an activity survivors practice. Why would one hide corpses? Doesn't this practice remove corpses from the map that may contain valuable objects such as food and weaponry?

Edited February 16, 2014 by AntonioAJC

[Wheunis 228]

I have an inquiry about an activity survivors practice. Why would one hide corpses? Doesn't this practice remove corpses from the map that may contain valuable objects such as food and weaponry?

 

Spite.

or,

Not to attract "flys" (aka: scavengers).

etc

 

There is probably a VERY wide array of reason why each individual does (or doesnt do) the things they do (or dont)... Impossible to get a single flash on it contained in such a small answer.

Edited February 16, 2014 by Wheunis

[crazykage 1063]

I have an inquiry about an activity survivors practice. Why would one hide corpses? Doesn't this practice remove corpses from the map that may contain valuable objects such as food and weaponry?

The bodies had valuable loot items I couldn't carry, didn't want, or didn't need. I take what I DO want or need, then dispose of the body so that nobody else can come along, find that guys rifle that I didn't take because I already had one, and shoot me in the back with it later on.

 

Edit:

I also do something similar to any M4's I come across. I take the butstock and iron sights off, and dispose of them in some bush somewhere a few hundred meters away. You could still use it, but not with any efficiency.

Edited February 16, 2014 by Crazykage

[soulfirez 901]

Have only killed 2 combat loggers ( and i wasnt engaging them had stalked and and finally sure alone had declared myself with no intent to kill) Id say both had no idea of the log timer as they immediately sat down (logged out) I wasnt going to kill them but logging come on , so yes i gave each 3 point blank fnx shots to the head.

 

I hope they realize thats how they died or they wont or will take a long time to learn not to combat log..... Not sure how hard it would be to allow a log in death message ( telling them they got shot so they know what happened and would it help??

Edited February 16, 2014 by SoulFirez

[Wheunis 228]

Have only killed 2 combat loggers ( and i wasnt engaging them had stalked and and finally sure alone had declared myself with no intent to kill) Id say both had no idea of the log timer as they immediately sat down (logged out) I wasnt going to kill them but logging come on , so yes i gave each 3 point blank fnx shots to the head.

 

I hope they realize thats how they died or they wont or will take a long time to learn not combat log..... Not sure how hard it would be to allow a log in death message ( telling them they got shot so they know what happened and would it help??

 

Naw.

 

I think the ideal (no matter how stupid) solution to this is to force the 30s logout timer as VISIBLE before the game closes.

No, you should not be able to cancel the logout once initiated. But you do get to see the stupid death you have wrought upon yourself...

[soulfirez 901]

Naw.

 

I think the ideal (no matter how stupid) solution to this is to force the 30s logout timer as VISIBLE before the game closes.

No, you should not be able to cancel the logout once initiated. But you do get to see the stupid death you have wrought upon yourself...

I can roll with that i guess that would make for a grim reminder they know the log timer then. ( oh and that also would have had me knowing i hadnt died with my earlier problem (2 birds one stone ) sounds good to me ...

[crazykage 1063]

Naw.

 

I think the ideal (no matter how stupid) solution to this is to force the 30s logout timer as VISIBLE before the game closes.

No, you should not be able to cancel the logout once initiated. But you do get to see the stupid death you have wrought upon yourself...

Naw.

 

Let em stay oblivious until they eventually correlate the data in their brain housing groups that shows a connection between a "character reset" and logging out while a player is nearby.

Frankly, im enjoying all the free stuff. I maxed out my ammunition for my mosin, 357, and FNx, with the first two guys. Now I just drink all their sodas and eat any fruit they might have.

 

I KoS under very specific circumstances ONLY, and most of these people would not have been killed by me if they had stuck around. But no. Instead, they choose to show ZERO respect for the game, their fellow players, and themselves. So I show ZERO sympathy and kill them all.

 

It would be different if I saw another player log out, and I knew he was unaware of me. I mean, yeah, you could argue that it was his mistake for logging out while being oblivious or being followed. But as far as I am concerned, THAT player did not disrespect me or the game. He played, for all I know, played honestly, and was done for the time being. I can respect that, and not punish him just because he had more important things to do. But I haven't seen this yet.

 

Just a bunch of cowards.

[renupetori 5]

Naw.

 

I think the ideal (no matter how stupid) solution to this is to force the 30s logout timer as VISIBLE before the game closes.

No, you should not be able to cancel the logout once initiated. But you do get to see the stupid death you have wrought upon yourself...

They would most likely just ALT+F4 anyways, since most if not all combat loggers panic whenever they are attacked. They can't handle the heat.

[Hethwill_Khan 233]

I spose at least some significant portion of the "WHY THE FARK IS MY CHARACTER BEEN RESET?!?!" threads here has at least some link to people being unaware...

 

This.

 

We had the pleasure of finding a few already. And we weren't even in combat, the dudes and dudettes just logged as soon as they see us coming. Some we just leave them be. Others ? No way.

 

Some will make threads.

[Window Licker 504]

That is too funny, I guess it explains a bit, ever notice during the weekend there is more of these people....

[Hagon94 74]

Haha, very well written. I thoroughly enjoyed that story my friend. Beans for you!

[HazZarD87 166]

Hahaha great read mate! And yes a lot of them don't seem to know. It's getting hilarious at points.

[Lancer 2-2 14]

I'm looking forward to getting back into DayZ and killing some "loggers" .. I wonder how many people I missed before because they logged upon seeing me (even if I didn't see them).