What to expect from the Ruger 10/22

[Deathlove 2286]

Same reason the tactical shirts have the American flag on them.  MURICA!!!

Also this is for you

 

[lipemr 160]

You can run all the videos in the world though Gib, the issue remains that the 9mm is considered too low a caliber for efficient combat, let alone the .22.  

 

The 10/22 is a meaningless fun gun and nothing more. 

 

mmmm, who said that? Every western army uses as their standart 9mm ammo for pistols.

 

if you think .22lr is inofensive, let someone shoot you with one.

 

 

The point is that someone is much more likely to unload 30 22 rounds at you almost instantly from a decent range than with an m4 or ak47, as there's no recoil and the ammo should be common as hell.

 

Now you say: Do you think 30 rounds at your chest wont do damage?

Edited February 13, 2014 by lipemr

[terminal_boy 860]

I meant in real life.

A number of US Law a Enforcement agencies had to withdraw the P90 from service with their SWAT teams as the poor terminal ballistics meant that officers were having to fire 5-10 round bursts to achieve the same effect as a single round from a 5.56mm carbine.

[Ineedscoffee 464]

I think if it kills zombies or not with a shot to the head depends entirely on the definition of a zombie.

If the infection leaves the autonomic nervous system alone it should kill a zombie with 1-2 headshots, like it would do to a human.

But if the damage threshold to the brain is actually raised because the infection changes the brain physically... like make it grow more collagenous tissue...

or reorganize the autonomous system in terms of location then it would be a reason to adjust headshot damage.

 

But well, that all comes to the question of what ones understanding of the changes is the zombie infection does to humans...

My first rifle was a .22. Got it back in 87, when I was five (yay Alaska). I fully plan on using it to annoy the hell out of people. What's that? You want to kneel and drink, go ahead and try. I'll plink ya in the leg. Want to fight off some zombies? You'll do it while I'm stinging ya lol. Sure it'll be good for zed defense, it'll really shine in the hands of someone looking to Harrass you though...

[PhillyT 554]

I meant in real life.

A number of US Law a Enforcement agencies had to withdraw the P90 from service with their SWAT teams as the poor terminal ballistics meant that officers were having to fire 5-10 round bursts to achieve the same effect as a single round from a 5.56mm carbine.

 

Which is of course the point.  Is a .22 lethal?  Yes, all bullets are.  But is it consistently so?  Not a chance.

[gibonez 3633]

Do you .22LR fans think that an FN P90 in 5.7 x 28 is more or less lethal than a 10/22?

 

About the same while the 5.7 could have more inherent velocity it is usually fired out of short barrels nerfing it.

 

Meanwhile the .22lr comes out in a wide variety of loads and is usually fired out of a long rifle barrel.

[Celt (DayZ) 30]

Well, it can definitely be lethal... but when 5.56 takes 5 shots to the chest to kill, what's the point in arguing? The current ballistics and damage system makes no sense. IMO, the game should have a sort of damage system similar to Red Orchestra, with vitals very vulnerable to damage. Not sure how hardcore this should be, there would likely be a lot of argument on that.

 

Also, despite what some people say, .22 LR is not going to be really accurate after 100 yards. It slows down significantly and spreads everywhere.

 

The main thing is that .22 LR will kill if it hits a vital area, but so should everything else. If it was balanced according to current game mechanics it would take 10 shots to the chest to incapacitate anyone, because damage is so screwy.

[Deathlove 2286]

I meant in real life.

A number of US Law a Enforcement agencies had to withdraw the P90 from service with their SWAT teams as the poor terminal ballistics meant that officers were having to fire 5-10 round bursts to achieve the same effect as a single round from a 5.56mm carbine.

Its a rather bizarre gun anyways lol

[DURRHUNTER 597]

its going to be like shooting people with a BB gun (.22LR) or hitting them with a stick (Machette)

[Deathlove 2286]

its going to be like shooting people with a BB gun (.22LR) or hitting them with a stick (Machette)

They better buff the damage on that damn melee weapon. Im still angry at how poorly its interpreted in game.

[PhillyT 554]

They should add the .22Mag Revolvers. I was just in the gun store about 15mins ago and half of the pistols were .22 Mag..

 

Bought myself a XD-9 3.3!!

 

They have had an increase in .22 caliber pistols and rifles because of the recent ammo cost increases.  Of course, actually finding a box of .22 rounds is almost impossible in many places!

 

I got an XDm .45 at the end of the summer.  Fantastic pistol!

 

But seriously, including a 10/22 when you haven't added an AK47 or 74 is a travesty.

Edited February 13, 2014 by PhillyT

[corezer0 1]

Remember its not the caliber of the Firearm, its the caliber of the shooter...You have to understand the the 5.56 nato and the .22LR have roughly the same diameter the only real difference is the amount of powder the rounds have therefore stopping power, so yes a few well placed shots to the head will probably render you at least unconscious. Also the Gatorade bottle argument means nothing to me, because if I have a few .22LR lodged in my head I'm certainly not having a good day...and also remember the 5.56 nato was designed to tumble upon impact there in causing more internal damage, so I don't care if a 5.56 can pass through a gatorade battle and a .22LR can't.

[dallas 5195]

What's not a full automatic DMR or a CQB anti-material rifle has me totally hyped.

 

I know that semi-automatic DMRs aren't actually full-auto, but when there's no distinction between rate of fire and effective rate of fire, then you hear DMR snipers, like in the mod, going: Bam... bam-bam-ba-ba-ba-******bbbbam or see people with 30 pound anti-material rifles engaging in close quarters battle dancing, like they were wielding a half-length broomstick.

Edited February 13, 2014 by Dallas

[PhillyT 554]

Remember its not the caliber of the Firearm, its the caliber of the shooter...You have to understand the the 5.56 nato and the .22LR have roughly the same diameter the only real difference is the amount of powder the rounds have therefore stopping power, so yes a few well placed shots to the head will probably render you at least unconscious. Also the Gatorade bottle argument means nothing to me, because if I have a few .22LR lodged in my head I'm certainly not having a good day...and also remember the 5.56 nato was designed to tumble upon impact there in causing more internal damage, so I don't care if a 5.56 can pass through a gatorade battle and a .22LR can't.

 

The caliber of the weapon has a huge impact.  A .22 to the head will hurt like crazy and can kill.  But hits to the body will rarely result in death until sometime later.  That is the difference between stopping power and lethality.  Yes it might kill you, but not that fast.  They don't recommend .22 for hunting anything but small varmint for a reason.  And we have ample evidence from combat that even an AK74 or 47 can quite easily be shrugged off in the heat of battle.  Unless it is a lethal shot, people will work through what would hurt like hell in a normal situation.

 

But really, we are trying to justify a gun that doesn't need justification.  It is just a fun thing to add, not a meaningful inclusion.

[JalapaJuiceJerry 9]

In my cases, my rifle is not accurate farther than 100 yards. I clean it every time after I shoot. And yes to answere the questions, it passed threw the Gatorade bottle 2 of the 5 times at 100 yards for me. That is my experience with them.

[Franchi (DayZ) 146]

In my cases, my rifle is not accurate farther than 100 yards. I clean it every time after I shoot. And yes to answere the questions, it passed threw the Gatorade bottle 2 of the 5 times at 100 yards for me. That is my experience with them.

Without an excessive long barrel and hyper velocity rounds 22LR is not much good past 150 yards, the bullet drop becomes to much to compensate for, and a little past that it slows to below the speed of sound, its shock wave then catches it and causes it to tumble.

Edited February 14, 2014 by Franchi

[gibonez 3633]

Without an excessive long barrel and hyper velocity rounds 22LR is not much good past 150 yards, the bullet drop becomes to much to compensate for, and a little past that it slows to below the speed of sound, its shock wave then catches it and causes it to tumble.

 

[PhillyT 554]

Oh my Gibby BEar, you are a master of Youtube foo, but I am telling you, .22, in a typical setting, firing a typical round, in the hands of a typical shooter, kill squirrels, slow groundhogs, and piss off woodchucks.  That is about it.

[GrappleX 354]

Can't wait to hunt bunnies with this thing. My life will be complete.

[Franchi (DayZ) 146]

SNIP

Two of those videos feature rifles that cost about $1500 without optics, at 600 yards the 22LR in the third video could not penetrate a road sign (that is what they are shooting) the last video the shooter fires 6 shots for ONE decent hit on a target that is 18x16 at 500 yards, the other videos feature targets at least two FEET across. In the third video out of an unknown quantity of rounds fired (probably 50 as that is how many come in a small box of the ammo they are using) only ten hit a target over two feet across and of those only ONE was within what would be the vital area of a human target, I remind you that none of these penetrated the 1/8 inch aluminum road sign they used as a target.

 

All but one video features the hyper velocity ammo that I previously mentioned from bolt action rifles with long bull barrels.

 

Were you attempting to prove me wrong? Because you kinda did the opposite ;)

 

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Edited February 14, 2014 by Franchi

[JalapaJuiceJerry 9]

Gibonez, I can tell you are serious about this topic haha.

When I took the shots at 100 yards I used a 1938 pump action Remington Field Master. Used 1250 fps shells and a 4x scope. Beanbag rest on a bench and that was it. The rifle's barrel is 21 inches long. I've shot 2000+ shells through it. I could never imagine shooting a .22Lr past 100 yards, just is crazy for me. I'm from ohio so I both bow and slug gun hunt deer, so I'm used to making gaping holes on deer, and couldn't comprehend using a .22 to kill them (gibonez I know you didn't say this).

Also, for whoever said a liver shot would bring you down immediately is wrong. I shot a Doe this year and made a standing shot without a prop for my 20 gauge mossbervg and hit 2 inches left and went through the liver and out the left lung. thought it was a great shot and waited 30 min to track her. Must mistaken, she ran 100 yards, beded down, then I kicked her up. Came back 3 hrs later, found a great blood trail, found her beded down again,, this time she slowly got up and I put another shot in her, this time her heart. Moral of the story is that a 20 gauge is equivalent to a .40 caliber rifle, and has more knockdown power than 90% of rifles because of the weight of the slug.

The .22 is extremely light slug, unless hollow point, it won't do shit knockdown wise.

Thanks for the input guys, I've liked a lot of stuff that's been said!

[JalapaJuiceJerry 9]

 

All but one video features the hyper velocity ammo that I previously mentioned from bolt action rifles with long bull barrels.

 

Were you attempting to prove me wrong? Because you kinda did the opposite ;)

 

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Thank you for posting this. All your info is exactly what my experiences have been like.

[gibonez 3633]

Two of those videos feature rifles that cost about $1500 without optics, at 600 yards the 22LR in the third video could not penetrate a road sign (that is what they are shooting) the last video the shooter fires 6 shots for ONE decent hit on a target that is 18x16 at 500 yards, the other videos feature targets at least two FEET across. In the third video out of an unknown quantity of rounds fired (probably 50 as that is how many come in a small box of the ammo they are using) only ten hit a target over two feet across and of those only ONE was within what would be the vital area of a human target, I remind you that none of these penetrated the 1/8 inch aluminum road sign they used as a target.

 

All but one video features the hyper velocity ammo that I previously mentioned from bolt action rifles with long bull barrels.

 

Were you attempting to prove me wrong? Because you kinda did the opposite ;)

 

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1500 what ?

 

Savage rifle costs like 150 to 400 dorra.

Edited February 14, 2014 by gibonez

[Franchi (DayZ) 146]

1500 what ?

 

Savage rifle costs like 150 to 400 dorra.

I said 2 out of 4, ask yourself if the savage wasn't used in the other two videos what was?

 

http://www.eurooptic.com/anschutz-rifles.aspx

 

Nice job ignoring the rest of my post BTW that is a great debate strategy right there.

[JalapaJuiceJerry 9]

Are you sure .22LR wont penetrate a single gatorade bottle at 100yd?

 

 

Dont think so buddy. Maybe you're mistaking it for .22 pistols, these are crap, but .22 rifles are quite deadly, and can be supressed very easily (even without threading)

 

Sorry pal, if you need a picture to prove I used a .22LR, then I would gladly do so. All the stuff I said was not from research I did on Youtube, or at Dick's Sporting Goods, or at Cabela's, this is actually what happened to me, sorry If you dont believe it, but I still have the slugs to prove as well. 

 

Sorry pal