I'm not trying to start a war

[Geckofrog7 1168]

How is 1PP not realism? Its the closest you can get without a 180 degree monitor? This isn't combative, I am asking you to explain why you think 1PP is not realistic.

Because in reality you have peripheral vision.

Besides the wall thing, 3pp really isn't unrealistic.

AND it's been in the ARMA series since Cold War Crisis.

If people really thought it made the game unrealistic and annoying, they would have taken it out.

[aeoliana 22]

play on "hardcore" servers then, realism is not an argument when a bandage can heal my bullet wound.

 

Does no one read?

 

Anyways, achieving as realistic an experience as possible while still remaining palatable to a reasonable number of users is a big part of what drives content for this game. I don't really get what you're saying.

[Jonah_Hobbes 171]

No one is answering the question here. I'm not asking about the merits of 3PP or whether or not it should be used. I'm asking why it exists in Dayz. 

 

I don't deny that there are good reasons for 3PP existing. I'm just looking for someone to explain its place in this game where realism is supposed to be the main concern.

 

Disgraced answered you.

 

Also people like to play in 3PP and many wouldn't play in 1PP hence more money for the devs

 

Look how cool my toon is?

 

That's why I love 3PP

[real meatshield 424]

No one is answering the question here. I'm not asking about the merits of 3PP or whether or not it should be used. I'm asking why it exists in Dayz.

Reading comprehension fail?

 

 

Because thats how rocket wants it?

[skyline-gtr 130]

OP, may I remind you:

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/172136-cs-cutie-school-open-enrollment-starts-today/#entry1754743

 

You use mumble and are here arguing about realisim.

 

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

:emptycan:

[dallas 5195]

You're confused, because you're wrongly assuming that Real Virtuality is a first person engine.

 

Before it was called ArmA, it was called Armed Assault and before that Operation Flashpoint. All games are battlefield or modern warfare simulations, all games have a story arc from the single solider's experience to the entire warmachine. From to tank drivers and fighter pilots. From being a part of an infantery unit to leading the units yourself. It's a first person experience, it's also a driving game, a flight sim and an RTS. You can switch between first and third person for fighting, driving and flying and use tactical view for large troop maneuvers.

 

But ArmA and Real Virtuality is much more than that. 

 

It's also a mission editor and every unit and mission, is a template for user content. Where Real Virtuality shines the brightest, is with it's user content and for user content, DayZ mod outshined even ArmA itself.  Where ArmA and Real Virtuality shines less bright is in first person. It's far from unplayable, but it's not preferable for everyone. Real Virtuality encompasses everything from first person, third person and RTS and because the engine was designed to embrace all playstyles, it's a jack of all trades, but a master of none.

 

Don't fret... third person goes as long back and server enforced difficulty levels. See Real Virtuality allowed you to modify every aspect of the engine, including the difficulty settings, but at the same time, the engine allowed the individual server admin to enforce whatever settings, they wanted to.

 

So if you don't like third person, you can always join a first person server, where third person is disallowed and disabled.

Edited February 7, 2014 by Dallas

[aeoliana 22]

There are points

 

 

there is no peripheral vision

 

The lack of peripheral vision in video games is only a minor impediment as it can be compensated for with practiced mouse movements and directional sound. In the real word changes in depth play a much larger role in detecting changes in your environment than does peripheral vision. Depth is something both 1PP and 3PP lack.

 

So would you say that not having peripheral vision, which can be compensated for, is a bigger break from reality than being able to see through walls and around corners?

 

There is no situation in which a player with 1PP can gain an advantage over another by exploiting the vision mechanics whereas moving to a location from which you can watch another player but they cannot watch you is commonplace in 3PP.

 

It confuses me why a system which gives one player an advantage over another through meta-knowledge would be allowed to exist. You aren't performing an action in a simulation, you are taking advantage of the system that performs the simulation and is in no way any different than server hopping or hiding in walls.

 

Can anyone give me a reason why other than that 'Rocket wants it', 'Its been there and it will stay there', and 'I like it go play hardcore'? Give me a reason and context in the world of DayZ and its principles.

[skyline-gtr 130]

You have been answered very clearly.

[aeoliana 22]

OP, may I remind you:

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/172136-cs-cutie-school-open-enrollment-starts-today/#entry1754743

 

You use mumble and are here arguing about realisim.

 

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

:emptycan:

 

I use mumble because there is no satisfactory method of communication. I can't whisper to my friend, I can't use hand symbols to say 'halt', 'tactical withrdrawal', 'enemy ahead' or anything like that. As soon as that is introduced I will be all for dropping external comms.

 

Please though, lets have a debate here, I know its hard when you've got nothing to say but attacking your opponent personally is the signature of a politician, not an intellectual.

[skyline-gtr 130]

let me know when you find any personal attacks in any of my comments.

 

you are ignoring very valid points and coming up with new questions. you are trolling.

Edited February 7, 2014 by Skyline-GTR

[GpB311 236]

I dont know what answer youre really looking for, but I dont think youre going to find it...or at least accept it when its given to you.

[aeoliana 22]

let me know when you find any personal attacks in any of my comments.

 

you are ignoring very valid points and coming up with new questions. you are trolling.

 

Rather than answer anything I've asked you choose to attack things I've said in the past. As if evidence of me using something that's not realistic somehow discredits anything that I've said. Its called ad hominem I suggest you familiarize yourself with it.

 

I haven't ignoring any points, I have asked for answers/opinions that apply to this specific context not the world of video games at large.

 

I dont know what answer youre really looking for, but I dont think youre going to find it...or at least accept it when its given to you.

 

Not really looking for an answer, I'm looking for a discussion on why 3PP should exist in DayZ using DayZ as context, not video games in general.

[creature 1189]

Just because you're not happy with the answers you've been given, does not mean you haven't received the correct answers to your inquiry.

[Geckofrog7 1168]

you are trolling.

I'm actually gonna have to agree here.

We've all given you quite valid explanations.

Take it or leave it, that's our view.

Yet you continue to hound us until we agree with you.

 

Is this a question that you have asked, or are you trying to convert us all to your views?

Edited February 7, 2014 by Geckofrog7

[DarkwaveDomina 1099]

I play on hardcore servers but this is just lazy trolling.

[Gerandar 212]

Rather than answer anything I've asked you choose to attack things I've said in the past. As if evidence of me using something that's not realistic somehow discredits anything that I've said. Its called ad hominem I suggest you familiarize yourself with it.

 

I haven't ignoring any points, I have asked for answers/opinions that apply to this specific context not the world of video games at large.

 

 

Not really looking for an answer, I'm looking for a discussion on why 3PP should exist in DayZ using DayZ as context, not video games in general.

 

you asked why its in this game, rocket wants it in this game, B.I wants it in this game. 1st person is clunky as fuck and if you know how to you can look through walls with it. so real.

[skyline-gtr 130]

"Rather than answer anything I've asked you choose to attack things I've said in the past. As if evidence of me using something that's not realistic somehow discredits anything that I've said. Its called ad hominem I suggest you familiarize yourself with it."

 

that is a false statement, I gave you 4 clear answers, while not attacking anything, simply informing other users of a certain level of hypocrasy in your posts.

 

informing other users does not discredit your lack of understanding of this topic.

Edited February 7, 2014 by Skyline-GTR

[Kinesis 15]

I think OP is just an asshole at this point.

Or trolling hard, they're kind of the same though.

[sidwulf 69]

I find the game more immersive in first person view and only switch to third person when I want to check out my sexy character or fashionable hat.

[Damnyourdeadman 1045]

It is what it is,third person view is an essential part of the game,imagine the dificulty of the average new player,trying to get around and find himself in Chernarus.Now if you spawn completely noob in the beach,first person only,have no clue of the map and on nighttime,imagine the frustration.I remember myself bumping on the treelines like it was yesterday,an awful experience to be frank.So i advise not take out the only "training whells" this game has to offer.

[aeoliana 22]

It exists on its merits.

 

 

1pp is not realism

3pp is not realism

together they aid realisim

it is a compromise within the limits of a software program

 

 

"Rather than answer anything I've asked you choose to attack things I've said in the past. As if evidence of me using something that's not realistic somehow discredits anything that I've said. Its called ad hominem I suggest you familiarize yourself with it."

 

that is a false statement, I gave you 4 clear answers, while not attacking anything, simply informing other users of a certain level of hypocrasy in your posts.

 

informing other users does not discredit your lack of understanding of this topic.

 

The first two quotes are the only things you've offered up as answers. They are by no means clear and none of them are actually complete answers. Please direct me to where, in either post, you used DayZ to support anything you said.

 

As far as the most recent one, how is it hypocritical? Considering I even started this post saying I use 3PP? More importantly how does any of this show I have a 'lack of understanding of this topic'? You're pulling facts out of thin air. You really can't formulate a coherent thought when pressed can you?

 

I need to stop expecting real discussions on forums.

[Gerandar 212]

"Why is it in the game?" gets given answers.

 

"But you didn't use the word dayz in them!"

[skyline-gtr 130]

"The first two quotes are the only things you've offered up as answers. They are by no means clear and none of them are actually complete answers. Please direct me to where, in either post, you used DayZ to support anything you said.

As far as the most recent one, how is it hypocritical? Considering I even started this post saying I use 3PP? More importantly how does any of this show I have a 'lack of understanding of this topic'? You're pulling facts out of thin air. You really can't formulate a coherent thought when pressed can you?

I need to stop expecting real discussions on forums."

 

Seems you missed the first page, my answers are very clear.

Hypocritical to a degree because your are complaining about realisim while using 3rd party programs.

Your initial question shows your lack of understanding on this topic.

[aeoliana 22]

"Why is it in the game?" gets given answers.

 

"But you didn't use the word dayz in them!"

 

There is a difference between 'make an argument for 3PP' and 'make an argument for 3PP in DayZ'

[drayson 158]

I use mumble because there is no satisfactory method of communication. I can't whisper to my friend, I can't use hand symbols to say 'halt', 'tactical withrdrawal', 'enemy ahead' or anything like that. As soon as that is introduced I will be all for dropping external comms.

 

Please though, lets have a debate here, I know its hard when you've got nothing to say but attacking your opponent personally is the signature of a politician, not an intellectual.

You are obviously ignoring everyone's opinion you don't agree with then saying lets have a debate and go on to belittle some of your responses....4/10 troll attempt.